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Apr 10, 2018 18:37:12   #
bahmer
 
theotts wrote:
Wow, I'm prescient!
I called you a poltroon before you ran.


I didn't run still here sorry.

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Apr 10, 2018 18:50:18   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The Michael Cohen raid should terrify all American's who give a damn. What this entire spectacle is doing is dismantling the American justice system. Police state tactics are unconstitutional and anti-American.


Finally a point of reason. I don't care what side of the aisle you are on. As Americans we should be outraged whenever the Executive Branch uses (weaponizes)Federal agencies against American citizens or when Federal agencies use the vast resources of Law enforcement to target politicians they are ideologically opposed to. I knew when that i***t Bush pushed the Patriot Act that the new "spy" agencies under the guise of security would end up the most dangerous thing that has ever happened to our freedoms.

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Apr 10, 2018 19:14:48   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
bahmer wrote:
It is starting to smell like a left wing con job to me and this whole special prosecutor smelled from the get go. It is starting to smell like a left wing con job with Rob Rosenstein in charge of painting the dully elected president with the broad brush of the democrat party collusion brush.


This reeks of Trump desperation. This isn't the 'left wing', no matter how you try to slice it.

"Third, Trump’s long-time accusation that this whole thing is a partisan witch hunt just does not bear out when you look at the facts. The key people who had to approve, justify and allow the Cohen raid to move forward are not only all Republicans, but most are Trump appointees!

There is special counsel Mueller, Republican; Attorney General Jeff Sessions, Republican; Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein, Republican; interim U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York Geoffrey Berman, Republican; and FBI Director Christopher Wray, Republican.

To believe this is a partisan witch hunt is to believe that your own party and your own appointees are out to get you. The t***h is two-fold: These are stand-up professionals who are doing their job for their country, and there was clearly evidence of potential wrongdoing and possible criminality for the drastic step of the Cohen raid to take place."

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/382537-trump-tantrum-after-cohen-raid-reaffirms-his-unfitness-for-office

According to Trump (and his supporters) everyone who doesn't kiss the President's ring on bended knee is somehow a left winger or anti-American. Trump is going to pull all of you down into the muck with him.
You are so thick in 'the swamp' you think it's a normal environment.

And, btw, attorney-client privilege does not apply to committing crimes or covering them up.

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Apr 10, 2018 19:22:36   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/0661cdce-b685-3ba5-abed-96ee0114aee5/ss_chris-christie-destroys.html

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Apr 10, 2018 19:40:31   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Bad Bob wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/0661cdce-b685-3ba5-abed-96ee0114aee5/ss_chris-christie-destroys.html

Here is the article, in full.....

Chris Christie destroys Trump’s ‘witch hunt’ claim about Mueller

Trump's former p**********l t***sition head destroyed his witch-hunt defense.

Josh Israel, Apr 10, 2018

Former Trump t***sition chairman and ex-New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) dismantled the president’s latest round of attacks on Special Counsel Robert Mueller on Tuesday and laid out a clear defense of Monday’s raid on the office of Trump lawyer Michael Cohen.

After the raid, Trump threatened to fire Mueller and unleashed a Twitter tirade complaining that “attorney-client privilege is dead!”

But on ABC’s Good Morning America on Tuesday, Christie warned that firing the special counsel would be untenable. Noting that he had used the exact same process during his own time as a U.S. Attorney, he explained the high bar that had to have been satisfied before the “not that extraordinary” raid. Donald Trump is very confused about attorney-client privilege

“They went to Justice at least twice on this. [Deputy Attorney General Rod] Rosenstein sent it to the U.S. Attorney in the Southern. He took an independent look at it,” he explained. “He could have just said, ‘I don’t see anything here,’ or ‘I’ll just serve some subpoenas,’ or take some less intrusive steps. He thought that either one of two things was happening: either he had evidence that Cohen was not cooperating with subpoenas that have already been served, and/or that Cohen was in the midst of destroying evidence.”

Christie noted that the request then needed to be approved by the head of the DOJ’s criminal division and the deputy attorney general again.

Christie shot down Trump’s claim that Monday’s raid was a fatal blow to attorney-client privilege. “There’s gonna be a taint-team… they’ll bring in a whole separate team of agents and assistant U.S. Attorneys who are gonna examine this. They’re going to separate this into stuff that’s privileged and stuff that isn’t.”

And then, he explained, they’d look at whether any of the privileged information showed evidence of an ongoing crime or fraud between Trump and Cohen.

“It’s gotta be a conspiracy-like situation, George, that they see clear evidence of,” Christie told host George Stephanopoulos.
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UPDATE: This piece previously said that Geoffrey Berman, the Trump administration appointed U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of the New York, ordered the raid of Cohen’s office. Late Tuesday morning, ABC News reported that Berman recused himself and took no part in the raid.

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Apr 10, 2018 20:29:56   #
theotts
 
[quote=slatten49]I may not always agree with Mr. Bahmer, yet, his being a friend of mine, I object to him being called a "witless sod." He is a gentleman. Also, for me, it has nothing to do with winning, but please explain the following:

theotts wrote:
1) "Trump has been whining about losing the popular v**e since it was elected. And forget the E*******l College bs, because all you juvenile delinquents wanted to repeal the law when it elected AL Gore."

Neither your first sentence nor the second in the above makes any sense, at least not in a standard way. Even though I am no fan of President Trump, he is not an "it" either before or since elected; Also, when did Al Gore win e******n as president, whether by popular or e*******l v**e?

I may not always agree with others, but common courtesy and respect should be shown to all. You need to give both (common courtesy and respect) to get them in return.

BTW, I often agree with you...though, not always.
1) "Trump has been whining about losing the p... (show quote)


The trope about respect is, at best, dysfunctional. Liars, bigots, proto-f*****t scum, all the shabby players in this too-long running absurdist tragi-comedy that passes for governance deserve contempt, richly, unequivocally, and ladled on.
It is simply either dishonest or obtuse (probably both) to give anything like support to the kakistocracy, and to accord civility to those who abet the destruction of deference is enabling.
Trump is an it because it's a sociopath who doesn't recognize personhood in others. Certainly not a man, and too contumacious for a child. Trump is too mean-spirited to be bathetic, as it was when it hosted a vapid TV show.

The Supreme Court awarded the e******n to f*****t Cheney; that they decreed their decision immune to stare decisis speaks eloquently to the extremity of its pretzel logic. Gore won Florida, and therefor the E*******l College. Newt Gingrich spoke loudly and often about doing away with the EC.


Your friend is no more a gentleman than those he supports. How can he be? "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

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Apr 10, 2018 20:37:04   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
theotts wrote:
The trope about respect is, at best, dysfunctional. Liars, bigots, proto-f*****t scum, all the shabby players in this too-long running absurdist tragi-comedy that passes for governance deserve contempt, richly, unequivocally, and ladled on.
It is simply either dishonest or obtuse (probably both) to give anything like support to the kakistocracy, and to accord civility to those who abet the destruction of deference is enabling.
Trump is an it because it's a sociopath who doesn't recognize personhood in others. Certainly not a man, and too contumacious for a child. Trump is too mean-spirited to be bathetic, as it was when it hosted a vapid TV show.

The Supreme Court awarded the e******n to f*****t Cheney; that they decreed their decision immune to stare decisis speaks eloquently to the extremity of its pretzel logic. Gore won Florida, and therefor the E*******l College. Newt Gingrich spoke loudly and often about doing away with the EC.


Your friend is no more a gentleman than those he supports. How can he be? "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
The trope about respect is, at best, dysfunctional... (show quote)

In other words, you simply misspoke and got caught. All the gobbledygook in the world doesn't justify your errant words/post.

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Apr 10, 2018 20:37:33   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Put your thesaurus away troll you’re not impressing anyone.
theotts wrote:
The trope about respect is, at best, dysfunctional. Liars, bigots, proto-f*****t scum, all the shabby players in this too-long running absurdist tragi-comedy that passes for governance deserve contempt, richly, unequivocally, and ladled on.
It is simply either dishonest or obtuse (probably both) to give anything like support to the kakistocracy, and to accord civility to those who abet the destruction of deference is enabling.
Trump is an it because it's a sociopath who doesn't recognize personhood in others. Certainly not a man, and too contumacious for a child. Trump is too mean-spirited to be bathetic, as it was when it hosted a vapid TV show.

The Supreme Court awarded the e******n to f*****t Cheney; that they decreed their decision immune to stare decisis speaks eloquently to the extremity of its pretzel logic. Gore won Florida, and therefor the E*******l College. Newt Gingrich spoke loudly and often about doing away with the EC.


Your friend is no more a gentleman than those he supports. How can he be? "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
The trope about respect is, at best, dysfunctional... (show quote)

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Apr 10, 2018 20:44:12   #
theotts
 
slatten49 wrote:
In other words, you simply misspoke and got caught. All the gobbledygook in the world doesn't justify your errant words/post.


Mommy didn't explain it to you, did she? No errors, just the t***h that indicts Trump scum.
Don't use; a) words you can't spell, or b) words unfamiliar to you.

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Apr 10, 2018 20:46:19   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
theotts wrote:
Mommy didn't explain it to you, did she? No errors, just the t***h that indicts Trump scum.
Don't use; a) words you can't spell, or b) words unfamiliar to you.


LOL. Get over it. Slatten is probably one of the most respectful posters on here. He’s no Conervative either, but fair. Take your crayons and go home.

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Apr 10, 2018 21:01:04   #
theotts
 
JFlorio wrote:
LOL. Get over it. Slatten is probably one of the most respectful posters on here. He’s no Conervative either, but fair. Take your crayons and go home.


I see that I've nettled the lot of you.
Respect is not granted. It is earned.
Now go play in the street.

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Apr 10, 2018 21:05:41   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
theotts wrote:
Mommy didn't explain it to you, did she? No errors, just the t***h that indicts Trump scum.
Don't use; a) words you can't spell, or b) words unfamiliar to you.

In other words, you still don't get it. Obviously, you are hardly one to speak of grammatical correctness. Your writing sk**ls are quite abysmal. But, keep that thesaurus nearby, it will give you unwarranted confidence.

BTW, you are undeserving of respect from those whom you disrespect in such a cavalier manner.

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Apr 10, 2018 21:33:14   #
theotts
 
slatten49 wrote:
In other words, you still don't get it. Obviously, you are hardly one to speak of grammatical correctness. Your writing sk**ls are quite abysmal. But, keep that thesaurus nearby, it will give you unwarranted confidence.

BTW, you are undeserving of respect from those whom you disrespect in such a cavalier manner.


Only lime jelly and jealousy are green.
The respect of a schmata-clad gamin is no prize.
Incidentally, were you not given to speaking without knowledge, you'd know those words you didn't understand aren't in a thesaurus.

Stilted diction, broken syntax, incorrect use of synecdoche, inverted gerunds, passive voice where the subjunctive is indicated; Dorothy Parker would puke if she were induced to read your dreck.
Just to piss you off, I'm going to respond to you in Latin from now on, just because it demonstrates that I'm fluent in at least two more languages than you are.

Stultus est.

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Apr 10, 2018 21:59:00   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Kevyn wrote:
The funny thing is that the warrant was authorized by a Trump appointee, think how solid the evidence must be for that to happen.


Really?? What's his name and can you please give me the link, because I sure haven't heard whom it was yet. Thx

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Apr 10, 2018 22:02:54   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
theotts wrote:
Only lime jelly and jealousy are green.
The respect of a schmata-clad gamin is no prize.
Incidentally, were you not given to speaking without knowledge, you'd know those words you didn't understand aren't in a thesaurus.

Stilted diction, broken syntax, incorrect use of synecdoche, inverted gerunds, passive voice where the subjunctive is indicated; Dorothy Parker would puke if she were induced to read your dreck.
Just to piss you off, I'm going to respond to you in Latin from now on, just because it demonstrates that I'm fluent in at least two more languages than you are.

Stultus est.
Only lime jelly and jealousy are green. br The re... (show quote)


Your words do not confuse me, sir, though not all are necessarily within my everyday vernacular. The thesaurus comment came as a result of JFlorio's reference to such in his earlier comment to you.

I can't help but recognize that you fall victim to Charles William Day's words...."Nothing is so unpalatable to arrogant people as to meet with scorn where they expected an unqualified admission of (their) superiority." Another quote..."Arrogance is a great obstruction to wisdom," and you, theotts, are found wanting in wisdom or decency towards others. Also..."You can have a certain arrogance, deserved or otherwise, but what you should never lose is respect for others." And, "Ah, how the seeds of cockiness blossom when soiled in ignorance."

Goodnight, as I have been enjoying and will continue to enjoy the tribute to Elton John's music this evening on TV.

BTW, tua mater est stulta. Oh yeah, you can't p*ss me off, as you have been relegated to being a source of amusement.

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