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Apr 10, 2018 08:29:47   #
slatten49 (a regular here)
 
Fox News explains exactly why the Michael Cohen raid should terrify Donald Trump

Attorney-client privilege doesn't apply if there's "a serious allegation of illegal activity."

Addy Baird, Apr 9, 2018, 6:32 pm

On Monday, FBI agents raided the office and residences of Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s longtime personal attorney. The search warrants reportedly included conversations between Cohen and Trump, who has been Cohen’s only client for years.

The search reportedly included, possibly among other things, documents related a $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, which Cohen made just days before the 2016 election. Daniels, an adult film actress, says she had an affair with Trump in 2006.

But it was the approval of the search warrants themselves that should terrify Trump. The best explanation, remarkably, came from Andrew Napolitano, a Fox News legal analyst. Napolitano explained that, under normal circumstances, communications between Trump and his attorney are privileged. But this privilege does not apply if there is “a serious allegation of illegal activity, by the lawyer with the client,” he said.

“There must be some evidence presented to a federal judge here in New York City sufficient to persuade that judge to sign a search warrant to permit the FBI in broad daylight to raid an attorney’s office, particularly when that attorney has one client and it happens to be the president of the United States,” Napolitano told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto.

“That evidence would have to be such as to persuade a neutral observer, the federal judge, that it is more likely than not, that among these seized documents is evidence of crimes by Mr. Cohen or Mr. Cohen and the president,” he continued.

The crime in question, Napolitano speculated, could be related to the $130,000 payment to Daniels.

Napolitano did echo some of Fox News’ favorite arguments about the ongoing investigation into whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russia during the 2016 presidential election, saying there “seems to be no limit” to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe. But then Napolitano reiterated that a judge would only issue the warrant if there was sufficient “evidence of crimes.”

“You’re talking about the most confidential and protected relationship there is — lawyer and client — and the federal government has just invaded that with the express authority and approval of a federal judge, who may only permit that invasion when she or he, the federal judge, has been satisfied that it’s more likely than not that in those materials are evidence of crimes,” he said.

It would be a crime, Napolitano went on to say, if the Trump campaign accepted a gift of $130,000, and if the funds came from the campaign. In that instance, “all bets are off,” as Cavuto put it.

What makes Napolitano’s comments Monday even more interesting is that when Napolitano talks, Trump listens. Trump directly echoed Napolitano’s arguments on Fox in a recent tweet about government surveillance shortly after Napolitano appeared on the network, and the White House has cited Napolitano’s claim, without evidence, that British intelligence operatives had surveilled Trump Tower as a favor to Barack Obama during the 2016 campaign.

According to a report from February, the president and Napolitano have spoken a number of times in recent months, as well.
 
Apr 10, 2018 08:43:27   #
crazylibertarian (a regular here)
 
slatten49 wrote:
Fox News explains exactly why the Michael Cohen raid should terrify Donald Trump

Attorney-client privilege doesn't apply if there's "a serious allegation of illegal activity."

Addy Baird, Apr 9, 2018, 6:32 pm

On Monday, FBI agents raided the office and residences of Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s longtime personal attorney. The search warrants reportedly included conversations between Cohen and Trump, who has been Cohen’s only client for years.

The search reportedly included, possibly among other things, documents related a $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, which Cohen made just days before the 2016 election. Daniels, an adult film actress, says she had an affair with Trump in 2006.

But it was the approval of the search warrants themselves that should terrify Trump. The best explanation, remarkably, came from Andrew Napolitano, a Fox News legal analyst. Napolitano explained that, under normal circumstances, communications between Trump and his attorney are privileged. But this privilege does not apply if there is “a serious allegation of illegal activity, by the lawyer with the client,” he said.

“There must be some evidence presented to a federal judge here in New York City sufficient to persuade that judge to sign a search warrant to permit the FBI in broad daylight to raid an attorney’s office, particularly when that attorney has one client and it happens to be the president of the United States,” Napolitano told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto.

“That evidence would have to be such as to persuade a neutral observer, the federal judge, that it is more likely than not, that among these seized documents is evidence of crimes by Mr. Cohen or Mr. Cohen and the president,” he continued.

The crime in question, Napolitano speculated, could be related to the $130,000 payment to Daniels.

Napolitano did echo some of Fox News’ favorite arguments about the ongoing investigation into whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russia during the 2016 presidential election, saying there “seems to be no limit” to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe. But then Napolitano reiterated that a judge would only issue the warrant if there was sufficient “evidence of crimes.”

“You’re talking about the most confidential and protected relationship there is — lawyer and client — and the federal government has just invaded that with the express authority and approval of a federal judge, who may only permit that invasion when she or he, the federal judge, has been satisfied that it’s more likely than not that in those materials are evidence of crimes,” he said.

It would be a crime, Napolitano went on to say, if the Trump campaign accepted a gift of $130,000, and if the funds came from the campaign. In that instance, “all bets are off,” as Cavuto put it.

What makes Napolitano’s comments Monday even more interesting is that when Napolitano talks, Trump listens. Trump directly echoed Napolitano’s arguments on Fox in a recent tweet about government surveillance shortly after Napolitano appeared on the network, and the White House has cited Napolitano’s claim, without evidence, that British intelligence operatives had surveilled Trump Tower as a favor to Barack Obama during the 2016 campaign.

According to a report from February, the president and Napolitano have spoken a number of times in recent months, as well.
Fox News explains exactly why the Michael Cohen ra... (show quote)



I saw that slatten and am mortified that Napolitano actually said that. One has to be completely open & honest with one's attorney in such matters. Period. No ifs, ands or buts. It's part of the process.

If you remember back that far, liberals were horrified at the Nixon people's burglary of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office & I agree with them. In Nixon's pathetic speech he cited he cited priest-confessor, attorney-client and excluded doctor-patient as privileged.

The FBI Director and those agents should be arrested and tried for crimes.
Apr 10, 2018 08:52:17   #
Liberty Tree (a regular here)
 
slatten49 wrote:
Fox News explains exactly why the Michael Cohen raid should terrify Donald Trump

Attorney-client privilege doesn't apply if there's "a serious allegation of illegal activity."

Addy Baird, Apr 9, 2018, 6:32 pm

On Monday, FBI agents raided the office and residences of Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s longtime personal attorney. The search warrants reportedly included conversations between Cohen and Trump, who has been Cohen’s only client for years.

The search reportedly included, possibly among other things, documents related a $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, which Cohen made just days before the 2016 election. Daniels, an adult film actress, says she had an affair with Trump in 2006.

But it was the approval of the search warrants themselves that should terrify Trump. The best explanation, remarkably, came from Andrew Napolitano, a Fox News legal analyst. Napolitano explained that, under normal circumstances, communications between Trump and his attorney are privileged. But this privilege does not apply if there is “a serious allegation of illegal activity, by the lawyer with the client,” he said.

“There must be some evidence presented to a federal judge here in New York City sufficient to persuade that judge to sign a search warrant to permit the FBI in broad daylight to raid an attorney’s office, particularly when that attorney has one client and it happens to be the president of the United States,” Napolitano told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto.

“That evidence would have to be such as to persuade a neutral observer, the federal judge, that it is more likely than not, that among these seized documents is evidence of crimes by Mr. Cohen or Mr. Cohen and the president,” he continued.

The crime in question, Napolitano speculated, could be related to the $130,000 payment to Daniels.

Napolitano did echo some of Fox News’ favorite arguments about the ongoing investigation into whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russia during the 2016 presidential election, saying there “seems to be no limit” to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe. But then Napolitano reiterated that a judge would only issue the warrant if there was sufficient “evidence of crimes.”

“You’re talking about the most confidential and protected relationship there is — lawyer and client — and the federal government has just invaded that with the express authority and approval of a federal judge, who may only permit that invasion when she or he, the federal judge, has been satisfied that it’s more likely than not that in those materials are evidence of crimes,” he said.

It would be a crime, Napolitano went on to say, if the Trump campaign accepted a gift of $130,000, and if the funds came from the campaign. In that instance, “all bets are off,” as Cavuto put it.

What makes Napolitano’s comments Monday even more interesting is that when Napolitano talks, Trump listens. Trump directly echoed Napolitano’s arguments on Fox in a recent tweet about government surveillance shortly after Napolitano appeared on the network, and the White House has cited Napolitano’s claim, without evidence, that British intelligence operatives had surveilled Trump Tower as a favor to Barack Obama during the 2016 campaign.

According to a report from February, the president and Napolitano have spoken a number of times in recent months, as well.
Fox News explains exactly why the Michael Cohen ra... (show quote)


Attorneys are officers of the court and cannot assist in illegal activities under the guise of attorney/client privilege. Also, whether Democrat or Republican any investigation that might involve that individual is always deemed a witch hunt. We know too little at this point to make a determination as to where all of this is headed. We just need to set our biases aside and let it play out. If there is no illegal activity on Trump's part then there will be time to criticize the investigation. If there is illegal activity then he should be held accountable.
Apr 10, 2018 09:13:55   #
Kevyn (a regular here)
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Attorneys are officers of the court and cannot assist in illegal activities under the guise of attorney/client privilege. Also, whether Democrat or Republican any investigation that might involve that individual is always deemed a witch hunt. We know too little at this point to make a determination as to where all of this is headed. We just need to set our biases aside and let it play out. If there is no illegal activity on Trump's part then there will be time to criticize the investigation. If there is illegal activity then he should be held accountable.
Attorneys are officers of the court and cannot ass... (show quote)

It looks as if the Pumpkinfuhrer is about to be run through a wood chipper. This latest development has him loosing his mind as he mulls over how many of his accomplices are going to roll over on him to save their own skin. Mueller appears to be doing a great job of running a textbook Gambino roll up on Trumps criminal enterprises. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-bomb-on-trumps-front-porch-fbis-cohen-raids-hit-home-for-the-president/2018/04/09/6abb816e-3c37-11e8-974f-aacd97698cef_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8854fa75482d&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1
Apr 10, 2018 09:15:34   #
moldyoldy (a regular here)
 
www.businessinsider.com/michael-cohen-justice-department-raid-on-trump-lawyer-2018-4
Apr 10, 2018 09:19:54   #
kankune (a regular here)
 
slatten49 wrote:
Fox News explains exactly why the Michael Cohen raid should terrify Donald Trump

Attorney-client privilege doesn't apply if there's "a serious allegation of illegal activity."

Addy Baird, Apr 9, 2018, 6:32 pm

On Monday, FBI agents raided the office and residences of Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s longtime personal attorney. The search warrants reportedly included conversations between Cohen and Trump, who has been Cohen’s only client for years.

The search reportedly included, possibly among other things, documents related a $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, which Cohen made just days before the 2016 election. Daniels, an adult film actress, says she had an affair with Trump in 2006.

But it was the approval of the search warrants themselves that should terrify Trump. The best explanation, remarkably, came from Andrew Napolitano, a Fox News legal analyst. Napolitano explained that, under normal circumstances, communications between Trump and his attorney are privileged. But this privilege does not apply if there is “a serious allegation of illegal activity, by the lawyer with the client,” he said.

“There must be some evidence presented to a federal judge here in New York City sufficient to persuade that judge to sign a search warrant to permit the FBI in broad daylight to raid an attorney’s office, particularly when that attorney has one client and it happens to be the president of the United States,” Napolitano told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto.

“That evidence would have to be such as to persuade a neutral observer, the federal judge, that it is more likely than not, that among these seized documents is evidence of crimes by Mr. Cohen or Mr. Cohen and the president,” he continued.

The crime in question, Napolitano speculated, could be related to the $130,000 payment to Daniels.

Napolitano did echo some of Fox News’ favorite arguments about the ongoing investigation into whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russia during the 2016 presidential election, saying there “seems to be no limit” to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe. But then Napolitano reiterated that a judge would only issue the warrant if there was sufficient “evidence of crimes.”

“You’re talking about the most confidential and protected relationship there is — lawyer and client — and the federal government has just invaded that with the express authority and approval of a federal judge, who may only permit that invasion when she or he, the federal judge, has been satisfied that it’s more likely than not that in those materials are evidence of crimes,” he said.

It would be a crime, Napolitano went on to say, if the Trump campaign accepted a gift of $130,000, and if the funds came from the campaign. In that instance, “all bets are off,” as Cavuto put it.

What makes Napolitano’s comments Monday even more interesting is that when Napolitano talks, Trump listens. Trump directly echoed Napolitano’s arguments on Fox in a recent tweet about government surveillance shortly after Napolitano appeared on the network, and the White House has cited Napolitano’s claim, without evidence, that British intelligence operatives had surveilled Trump Tower as a favor to Barack Obama during the 2016 campaign.

According to a report from February, the president and Napolitano have spoken a number of times in recent months, as well.
Fox News explains exactly why the Michael Cohen ra... (show quote)


Who's the federal judge the issued the warrant????
 
Apr 10, 2018 09:28:58   #
JFlorio (a regular here)
 
you aren't going to agree with me on this Slatten but I would have said years ago this article is right. I don't believe the judge is necessarily neutral anymore. We have so many activist judges anymore I don't necessarily trust our justice system. Never, ever thought I'd feel this way. Everything's political now days. Even porn stars. Never thought I'd see the FBI and DOJ apply for a FISA warrant without compete disclosure. Never thought I'd see the head of the FBI interject himself politically into an election. Never thought I'd see actual agents, high up in the Justice Department and FBI talk about never letting this country elect a certain person for president. We are such a divided country there will be no coming together.Sad, but true. I will never meet the left in this country half way personally. Half way for them is government totalitarianism. As they say in Tombstone the movie, You bastards, you gotta fight coming. Its coming.
slatten49 wrote:
Fox News explains exactly why the Michael Cohen raid should terrify Donald Trump

Attorney-client privilege doesn't apply if there's "a serious allegation of illegal activity."

Addy Baird, Apr 9, 2018, 6:32 pm

On Monday, FBI agents raided the office and residences of Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s longtime personal attorney. The search warrants reportedly included conversations between Cohen and Trump, who has been Cohen’s only client for years.

The search reportedly included, possibly among other things, documents related a $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, which Cohen made just days before the 2016 election. Daniels, an adult film actress, says she had an affair with Trump in 2006.

But it was the approval of the search warrants themselves that should terrify Trump. The best explanation, remarkably, came from Andrew Napolitano, a Fox News legal analyst. Napolitano explained that, under normal circumstances, communications between Trump and his attorney are privileged. But this privilege does not apply if there is “a serious allegation of illegal activity, by the lawyer with the client,” he said.

“There must be some evidence presented to a federal judge here in New York City sufficient to persuade that judge to sign a search warrant to permit the FBI in broad daylight to raid an attorney’s office, particularly when that attorney has one client and it happens to be the president of the United States,” Napolitano told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto.

“That evidence would have to be such as to persuade a neutral observer, the federal judge, that it is more likely than not, that among these seized documents is evidence of crimes by Mr. Cohen or Mr. Cohen and the president,” he continued.

The crime in question, Napolitano speculated, could be related to the $130,000 payment to Daniels.

Napolitano did echo some of Fox News’ favorite arguments about the ongoing investigation into whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russia during the 2016 presidential election, saying there “seems to be no limit” to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe. But then Napolitano reiterated that a judge would only issue the warrant if there was sufficient “evidence of crimes.”

“You’re talking about the most confidential and protected relationship there is — lawyer and client — and the federal government has just invaded that with the express authority and approval of a federal judge, who may only permit that invasion when she or he, the federal judge, has been satisfied that it’s more likely than not that in those materials are evidence of crimes,” he said.

It would be a crime, Napolitano went on to say, if the Trump campaign accepted a gift of $130,000, and if the funds came from the campaign. In that instance, “all bets are off,” as Cavuto put it.

What makes Napolitano’s comments Monday even more interesting is that when Napolitano talks, Trump listens. Trump directly echoed Napolitano’s arguments on Fox in a recent tweet about government surveillance shortly after Napolitano appeared on the network, and the White House has cited Napolitano’s claim, without evidence, that British intelligence operatives had surveilled Trump Tower as a favor to Barack Obama during the 2016 campaign.

According to a report from February, the president and Napolitano have spoken a number of times in recent months, as well.
Fox News explains exactly why the Michael Cohen ra... (show quote)
Apr 10, 2018 09:29:00   #
Kevyn (a regular here)
 
kankune wrote:
Who's the federal judge the issued the warrant????

The funny thing is that the warrant was authorized by a Trump appointee, think how solid the evidence must be for that to happen.
Apr 10, 2018 09:36:53   #
mark medicus
 
I'm a democrat and it terrifies me.. This is the United States, we are becoming the United States Socialist Republic...what has happened to my party we used to stand for people..now we stand for socialism..
Apr 10, 2018 09:38:17   #
moldyoldy (a regular here)
 
Kevyn wrote:
The funny thing is that the warrant was authorized by a Trump appointee, think how solid the evidence must be for that to happen.


All republicans involved in this, the raid was done by a prosecutor who donated to trump.
Apr 10, 2018 09:39:30   #
lpnmajor (a regular here)
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I saw that slatten and am mortified that Napolitano actually said that. One has to be completely open & honest with one's attorney in such matters. Period. No ifs, ands or buts. It's part of the process.

If you remember back that far, liberals were horrified at the Nixon people's burglary of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office & I agree with them. In Nixon's pathetic speech he cited he cited priest-confessor, attorney-client and excluded doctor-patient as privileged.

The FBI Director and those agents should be arrested and tried for crimes.
I saw that slatten and am mortified that Napolitan... (show quote)


Lawyers must be held to the same laws as everyone else, they don't get a pass just because they're lawyers. Look back at the good old days of the Mafia and all the lawyers they had on the payroll. If a lawyer commits a crime, if a lawyer helps a client commit a crime, or if a lawyer helps a client cover up a crime - the attorney client privilege is moot.

Lawyers are "officers of the court", and are obligated to uphold the law.
 
Apr 10, 2018 09:39:34   #
lindajoy (a regular here)
 
JFlorio wrote:
you aren't going to agree with me on this Slatten but I would have said years ago this article is right. I don't believe the judge is necessarily neutral anymore. We have so many activist judges anymore I don't necessarily trust our justice system. Never, ever thought I'd feel this way. Everything's political now days. Even porn stars. Never thought I'd see the FBI and DOJ apply for a FISA warrant without compete disclosure. Never thought I'd see the head of the FBI interject himself politically into an election. Never thought I'd see actual agents, high up in the Justice Department and FBI talk about never letting this country elect a certain person for president. We are such a divided country there will be no coming together.Sad, but true. I will never meet the left in this country half way personally. Half way for them is government totalitarianism. As they say in Tombstone the movie, You bastards, you gotta fight coming. Its coming.
you aren't going to agree with me on this Slatten ... (show quote)


Must say Jim you are right on the money with your sentiments here..

I put nothing past any of these players, not after what we have already seen... This just may be another liberal Judge ruling that will be challenged later..

Smells kind of like how the FISA warrant was extracted.. They lied about that one what makes you think they aren’t lying here too???

Will be interesting to see what does transpire and what Cohen claims about all this too. Too early to say right now.. As you can see the speculstion is running rampet.. Trumps approval rstings have the dems in panic koid.!!!
Apr 10, 2018 09:45:51   #
EL
 
mark medicus wrote:
I'm a democrat and it terrifies me.. This is the United States, we are becoming the United States Socialist Republic...what has happened to my party we used to stand for people..now we stand for socialism..


The whole country has gone sour. That's why they're after Trump. He's trying to clean it up.
I'd LOVE to take over their budget, wouldn't you? Cut socialism right out!
Apr 10, 2018 09:47:53   #
lindajoy (a regular here)
 
mark medicus wrote:
I'm a democrat and it terrifies me.. This is the United States, we are becoming the United States Socialist Republic...what has happened to my party we used to stand for people..now we stand for socialism..


Your party chose that path.. They simply do not care what you or I think...

Right you are and something like this taking place should be your own evidence..
Apr 10, 2018 09:51:40   #
bahmer (a regular here)
 
kankune wrote:
Who's the federal judge the issued the warrant????


Good question along with his/hers political affiliation. If democrat all bets are off then it is a witch hunt.
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