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Why did U.S. military carried out a total of 546 “activities” in Africa last yr?
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Mar 28, 2014 15:54:24   #
Ve'hoe
 
I don't think the Amb really knew what he was getting into,,,

Likely stories, seem to point to gun running, and if this "Lee" character out of California is any indication, the dems are full of gun runners.......

Seems to me, and no I cannot prove it, that the Amb,,, showed up when and at a place he shouldn't have, cause bad things were scheduled and happened,,, benghazzi is not the embassy, it is a consulate,,, the Amb wasn't supposed to be there, but people around Hillary have a tendency to end up dead.. probably because of the amount of skullduggery afoot....


just chris wrote:
I believe the issue was that the Stevens did not want a military presence at the compound. And if things had gotten that bad where is the request to be evacuated? Why didn't he go to the annex? At what point does he have any responsibilty for not only his own safety but for the people he was responsible for. I have yet seen an e-mail ordering him to stay.

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Mar 28, 2014 16:00:42   #
Ve'hoe
 
Same situation in the Phillipines in 1990,,, the AF sent two F-4s down mainstreet Manilla while we evacuated Aquino via helicopter from her palace,,,

The show of force was enough, and wild weasels don't even have guns,, it has radar seeking missiles for SEAD missions,, not attack, and not air to ground, attack...

But the message was clear, and every j-Arthur with a gun in his hand got that message and left the street.

How is that for you war genius,,, there is precedent that YOU don't know!!

RetNavyCWO wrote:
Nobody disagrees at all that inadequate security measures were not in place to protect this covert CIA facility.

But how does any of this factor into your proposal to send in aerial combat planes to rescue them?

The problem you Obama-h**ers have is that you seem to be unable to separate

a: the pre-attack security issues
b. the attack itself
c. the public statements afterward.

Both a and c are very valid criticisms to which I don't think anyone disagrees (except for those who would add that it was all part of some big plan to assassinate Amb Stevens). But even Susan Rice's comments that have been so widely criticized included references to the effect that we would need to wait until the investigation was completed before we could know exactly what happened. H**ers choose to ignore that, though.

What I object to are the charges that Obama and Hillary and our military failed to do what could have been done to protect Amb Stevens and the others as the attack was underway. I believe the comments of the 4-star general in charge of AFRICOM when he said that there was no viable military operation.

Criticize Obama and Hillary as much as you want for a and c, and I will be right there with you! I would have to include Amb Stevens in that as well, though, as much as I dislike placing part of the blame on a victim, because he should not have been there if the place was not secured.
Nobody disagrees at all that inadequate security m... (show quote)

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Mar 28, 2014 16:27:39   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Patty wrote:
I read an article explaining why he is shredding our military. He is putting the money into NATO military forces to use them on a global platform. 7Washington is using the 27 NATO countries as Washington Empirical army. Their Navy ships have been armed with US weapons system such as AEGIS and integrated into the US SYSTEM. European governments have lost control of their military forces and our tax money is being used to expand the US dominated NATO structure.


And what better place to test Command and Control procedures than Ukraine?

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Mar 28, 2014 16:35:54   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
Ukraine is a foreign sovereign co
lpnmajor wrote:
And what better place to test Command and Control procedures than Ukraine?




Ukraine is a foreign sovereign nation

The U.S. government has no jurisdiction in Ukraine

The U.S. government has no authority to decide who or what is in power in Ukraine.

Meddling in the internal affairs of foreign countries is a despicable and stupid thing to do.

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Mar 28, 2014 17:13:50   #
Ve'hoe
 
But!!! That doesn't mean we wont!!


hprinze wrote:
Ukraine is a foreign sovereign co



Ukraine is a foreign sovereign nation

The U.S. government has no jurisdiction in Ukraine

The U.S. government has no authority to decide who or what is in power in Ukraine.

Meddling in the internal affairs of foreign countries is a despicable and stupid thing to do.

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Mar 28, 2014 18:31:57   #
Patty
 
Russian adviser Glazyev said that the fact of a c**p attempt by "professionally trained, armed storm troopers" must be acknowledged.
"Secondly," he continued, "the West should stop its blackmail and intimidation, such as [U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland] has been engaged in, during her meetings in Kiev with the oligarchs, as well as with representatives of the President and the government. Our information is that, at these meetings, she let people know that they would land on blacklists, if President Victor Yanukovych did not hand the governance of the country over to the opposition. This is blackmail, which has nothing in common with international law. This is not merely interference in domestic affairs. This is an attempt to control Ukraine."

Thirdly, Glazyev urged,
"The West should accept Moscow's proposal to establish a trilateral system of consultations among the EU, Russia and Ukraine, concerning Kiev's foreign trade and economic cooperation in the future."
He sounds reasonable to me.

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Mar 29, 2014 11:47:24   #
kattmanduu
 
Patty, there are many reasons for this the 1st is OIL! There is lots of extra oil laying around there that hasn't been fought over for many years. 2nd, It's about causing even more instability in the region. In-turn giving the big corporate and bankster rulers access to and control of the resources from there as well.
It is safe to say that we gone from being N**i k**lers to being N**i's in about 65 years. Our unwavering support for the zion**i's in israel and their N**i like treatment of the Palestinians where they are shut in Warsaw like ghettos for the last 60 years in their own homeland, makes those activities carried out by israel and it's prime supporters 60 times worse than what Hitler did.
Until we demand our government to stop this support and to sanction the israeli's with real enforced hard sanctions that takes away their ability to occupy Palestine and conduct any offensive military actions this will never end.
We need to cut our military spending enough to not allow them the funds to carry out these activities, also petition our elected officials telling them to end the madness that this has become.

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Mar 29, 2014 11:56:16   #
Patty
 
kattmanduu wrote:
Patty, there are many reasons for this the 1st is OIL! There is lots of extra oil laying around there that hasn't been fought over for many years. 2nd, It's about causing even more instability in the region. In-turn giving the big corporate and bankster rulers access to and control of the resources from there as well.
It is safe to say that we gone from being N**i k**lers to being N**i's in about 65 years. Our unwavering support for the zion**i's in israel and their N**i like treatment of the Palestinians where they are shut in Warsaw like ghettos for the last 60 years in their own homeland, makes those activities carried out by israel and it's prime supporters 60 times worse than what Hitler did.
Until we demand our government to stop this support and to sanction the israeli's with real enforced hard sanctions that takes away their ability to occupy Palestine and conduct any offensive military actions this will never end.
We need to cut our military spending enough to not allow them the funds to carry out these activities, also petition our elected officials telling them to end the madness that this has become.
Patty, there are many reasons for this the 1st is ... (show quote)


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4504390,00.html
I totally agree and Israel actually acquired their nuclear weapons illegally and get a pass on it. I do not know of any solution to this problem of Palestinian containment since every time the travel restrictions are loosened the car bombings start all over again. It is a situation that will take smarter people than myself to ever work out if it ever does.
I have come to the conclusion since we can print all the money we need to buy oil that oil is just the tool and the war is to maintain global reserve currency status.

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Mar 29, 2014 13:01:15   #
Philippe Boeing
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
Nobody disagrees at all that inadequate security measures were not in place to protect this covert CIA facility.

But how does any of this factor into your proposal to send in aerial combat planes to rescue them?

The problem you Obama-h**ers have is that you seem to be unable to separate

a: the pre-attack security issues
b. the attack itself
c. the public statements afterward.

Both a and c are very valid criticisms to which I don't think anyone disagrees (except for those who would add that it was all part of some big plan to assassinate Amb Stevens). But even Susan Rice's comments that have been so widely criticized included references to the effect that we would need to wait until the investigation was completed before we could know exactly what happened. H**ers choose to ignore that, though.

What I object to are the charges that Obama and Hillary and our military failed to do what could have been done to protect Amb Stevens and the others as the attack was underway. I believe the comments of the 4-star general in charge of AFRICOM when he said that there was no viable military operation.

Criticize Obama and Hillary as much as you want for a and c, and I will be right there with you! I would have to include Amb Stevens in that as well, though, as much as I dislike placing part of the blame on a victim, because he should not have been there if the place was not secured.
Nobody disagrees at all that inadequate security m... (show quote)


You honestly think the General in charge would be in his post today if he did not fall on his sword for the Emperor?? Obama has been purging the military to either follow his directives or leave. Over 100 top officers to date. B******i was a set up from the get go and Hillary and Obama are complicit from removing the bullets fro the Marine guards at all US embassies in the region to putting known terrorist linked guards at the B******i compound. There are more than a few military officer who would totally disagree with your support of AFRICOM general politico's comment. Read a bit more chief read a bit more. http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/05/us_military_we_could_have_saved_ambassador_stevens.html

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Mar 29, 2014 14:06:51   #
cold iron Loc: White House
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
Could it be because Africa covers more than 11 million square miles and makes up over 20% of the earth's land mass? Or could it be because there was not enough information about the attack, or enough time (remember, Amb Stevens was k**led within 1-1/2 hrs after the attack started) to gather the necessary forces and deploy them?

Why don't you tell us exactly how U.S. forces could have repelled the attack? Give us a timeline.

Tell us why the most senior general in AFRICOM didn't feel that there was a viable military option that night.

I think you watch too much tv.
Could it be because Africa covers more than 11 mil... (show quote)



Amb Stevens was k**led within 1-1/2 hrs, not so, he made a call 5 hours after the attack started. The main problem is we have total incompetence in our leadership. And they are all democrats.

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Mar 29, 2014 15:37:48   #
rodulfo-tardo
 
General David Rodriguez, replaced General Carter Ham on 9-11-12, when Gen. Ham along with others like Rear Admiral Charles Gauette, were "purged" by Husseyn-Obama, while their response to B******i was ongoing and ready to deploy, their refusal to abandon the B******i Compound's attack, has questionable reasoning to say the least, the weapons being funneled to Al'Qaeda, were in large part supplied by Ukraine's P.M. Yanukovych, through the Black Sea ports of Turkey the shared borders that Turkey possesses is of relative interest, to the Ukraine/Crimean (crisis) given that Russia has been more decisively and successfully fighting Al'Qaeda than this Husseyn-Obama Islamicate.

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Mar 29, 2014 15:53:11   #
Patty
 
:thumbup: A happy terrorist is a well armed manpad land to air missile launcher equipped terrorist. Obama is always glad to oblige. Gee I wonder if they can practice on a couple commercial airliners?
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2014/03/28/departing-europe-obama-seeks-to-reassure-saudis

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Mar 29, 2014 17:21:41   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
rodulfo-tardo wrote:
General David Rodriguez, replaced General Carter Ham on 9-11-12, when Gen. Ham along with others like Rear Admiral Charles Gauette, were "purged" by Husseyn-Obama, while their response to B******i was ongoing and ready to deploy, their refusal to abandon the B******i Compound's attack, has questionable reasoning to say the least, the weapons being funneled to Al'Qaeda, were in large part supplied by Ukraine's P.M. Yanukovych, through the Black Sea ports of Turkey the shared borders that Turkey possesses is of relative interest, to the Ukraine/Crimean (crisis) given that Russia has been more decisively and successfully fighting Al'Qaeda than this Husseyn-Obama Islamicate.
General David Rodriguez, replaced General Carter H... (show quote)


Sorry. That didn't happen. Gen Ham continued to serve in his post at AFRICOM until his retirement about 8 months later. You're still believing all the phony hype generated by rightwingnut websites rather than read any of the official reports. Those reports, btw, contain plenty of valid criticisms, but you rightwingnuts don't want to bother with them. You would much rather bounce around in your bubble.

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Mar 29, 2014 17:30:37   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
cold iron wrote:
Amb Stevens was k**led within 1-1/2 hrs, not so, he made a call 5 hours after the attack started. The main problem is we have total incompetence in our leadership. And they are all democrats.


Nope. Didn't happen. The attack started around 9:45 pm with a group of terrorists setting the facility on fire using diesel fuel while Amb Stevens was inside. Amb Stevens body was discovered about 3 hrs later (sometime before 1am) by a group of local Libyans and taken to a hospital, where he was dead on arrival. There's a very clear timeline in the senate report. You should read it rather than your bogus rightwingnut websites.

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Mar 29, 2014 17:36:44   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
I have never seen such a deluded group of people as I see here on this forum. Even Cong. Darrell Issa, who started all the B******i controversy, now says the facts show that there was nothing the military could have done to rescue Amb Stevens, that there was no "Stand Down" order. But, no, you rightwingnutjobs drank so much phony scandal koolaid that you refuse to acknowledge the t***h even when the leaders of your own party have abandoned the phony scandal. Maybe it's just laziness, but more than likely, you just get your jollies off by being h**e-mongers. Glad I'm not you.

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