10 more conservative lies revealed (Page 21): If you changed Conservative to l*****t Progressive, then you would be correct. But then, l*****t Progressive is redundant.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Bruce Kennedy wrote:

Not even close. You really should go back to schoo... (show quote)

If you changed Conservative to l*****t Progressive, then you would be correct. But then, l*****t Progressive is redundant.

Bruce Kennedy Loc: Kansas

Old_Gringo wrote:

If you changed Conservative to l*****t Progressive, then you would be correct. But then, l*****t Progressive is redundant.

Wrong again. But I have to give it to you, even when you're wrong, you hold on to a lie, like a pit bull holds on to a steak.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Bruce Kennedy wrote:

Not even close. You really should go back to schoo... (show quote)

"Facism," as defined in the Concise Dictionary, is a philosophy of government stressing the primacy of the state, unquestioned obedience to that State's leader, subordination of individual will to the State, and suppression of dissent. Conservatives favor limited government and individual freedom, and subordination of the State to the citizen. In other words, "Facism" is the Obama Administration. Old Gringo is not the one in need of a return to School.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Bruce, your comments are some of the most unfactual I have read. With that said, I do believe you convinced your positions and arguments make sense, that is sad and sorry.

Bruce Kennedy Loc: Kansas

Loki wrote:

"Facism," as defined in the Concise Dictionary, is a philosophy of government stressing the primacy of the state, unquestioned obedience to that State's leader, subordination of individual will to the State, and suppression of dissent. Conservatives favor limited government and individual freedom, and subordination of the State to the citizen. In other words, "Facism" is the Obama Administration. Old Gringo is not the one in need of a return to School.

You are correct, I'm too tired to argue with you geniuses tonight, Good Night.

Bruce Kennedy Loc: Kansas

jack sequim wa wrote:

Bruce, your comments are some of the most unfactual I have read. With that said, I do believe you convinced your positions and arguments make sense, that is sad and sorry.

The sad part is that you think you are correct. But, then again, that's why this country is in the mess it is in. Really you shouldn't bad mouth education, as much as you do, it's ruining this country.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Liberty Tree wrote:

BigMike, I do not know what your felony was and do... (show quote)

What possible advantage does society have in disenfranchising felons? And a scarlet F has already been branded on my forehead. Fortunately I was motivated and desperate enough to overcome it. I wonder how many guys just give up figuring they'll never overcome the stigma. It's a good thing God doesn't treat us the way we treat each other.

1OldGeezer

Bruce Kennedy wrote:

You are wasting your time, with all the BS you spew. It's obvious that you could care less that everyone that is legal to v**e, in this country, is afforded the opportunity to v**e. Which is clearly an attempt to keep segments, of the v****g populace, from v****g. And that begs the question, why? V****g is a fundamental right in preserving our democracy, yet you could care less if segments of our society have the opportunity to v**e or not. You twist the argument at every turn, first you say it isn't a crisis, but that we need to protect ourselves, from v***r f***d. Yet you, and your ilk, have never even broached the topic of "v***r f***d", in the past. And in an odd twist of logic, you claim that by my wanting to ensure that every "legal" v**er, in this country, is afforded opportunity to v**e, this is somehow insulting to them. That that makes no sense whatsoever. However it is a common tactic used by Conservatives, all the time. It's similar to the tactic Conservatives used about "jobless" people. The U.S. economy shed millions of jobs, during the Bush and Obama administrations, in other words many people lost their jobs, and became "jobless". The jobs they previously held, in society, didn't exist anymore. And instead of trying to help that segment, of society, regain their jobs, by passing "Jobs" legislation, Conservatives chose another easier route,..."blame the jobless people", themselves, for their plight. Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket, call them lazy individuals, with no sense of "personal responsibility". This accusation of "no personal responsibility" seems to be a "one size fits all", method of attacking others, that Conservatives use freely. And now you make the argument about "personal responsibility" fit the "v***r f***d" debate. No "Liberal", that I know is against "personal responsibility", the only difference is that not only do we believe in "personal responsibility", we care very much in protecting everyone's freedom, in this country. Your attitude is the typical Conservative attitude. And the exact attitude that Liberals have a problem with. Your attitude is..."I've got mine, f*ck you". The attitude that says... "I couldn't give a sh1t less about you". The attitude that seems to look down on individuals, that Conservatives feel are inferior human beings. And this is what amazes me so much, how you hypocrites are the party associated with Christianity. Every thing about your actions and words scream "selfishness". Your attitude and actions are so anti-Christian, one would think Conservatives are working for the "Devil" himself. I won't go into detail about what I really think and how Conservatives present themselves, in the "Public" arena. Suffice it to say there are many similarities between Conservatives and the mood that was sweeping over Germany, in the '20s and '30s. Your arrogance is a little too much for my tastes. But hey continue your fight to ensure that many Americans are denied their right to participate, in the "democratic" process, of v****g. I'm sure you find it a noble cause.

You are wasting your time, with all the BS you spe... (show quote)

Bruce,

I know this expresses only one side of the argument but thought you might want to see it..

Bruce Kennedy Loc: Kansas

1OldGeezer wrote:

Bruce,

I know this expresses only one side of the argument but thought you might want to see it..

1Old_Geezer it is getting harder and harder to continue to post, on this site. This post will be two fold and will explain what I mean about it being harder to post, anymore. As much as you, Loki, saloopo and I argue, I've started to like you guys. Now don't get me wrong, I will never be anything but a "Liberal". I will never change my political philosophy. It may be tweaked from time to time but will never be aligned with the Conservative political way of thinking. I care too much about humanity to become that selfish. But my point is this, do you remember when we were younger and we had differences with individuals, (and this is a "male" thing only, at least for me), and eventually things would come to a boiling point and you would end up fighting, with your adversary? But after you were done punching each other out, you actually became friends. I don't know what the phenomena was, but I suspect you kind of gained a respect, for one another. That is kind of how I feel, on this forum. We argue, but after so much animosity we end up breaking the tension, a little, by sending non confrontational posts, like the "Three Stooges" posts. So maybe the topics have been worn out or we've said everything we have to say about our positions. Or we realize we are never going to change. But wh**ever it is I'm no longer in the adversarial mood. Again, that doesn't mean I've changed my political philosophy one iota, I am and will always be a "Liberal"

Now having said that I am going to address one last thing, that will put us at odds once again. But this the last time. And what I am going to address, is your post. Here is how I see using Mexico, as an example, we should use, here in the U.S., to justify enacting, "V**er ID" laws. First of all I can't help but notice the hypocrisy, of this defense, by Conservatives. Now bear with me, on this analogy. Conservatives continually attack the notion of "Universal Health Care". Liberals continually ask the question why can't the U.S. be like the rest of the "civilized" world and provide "Universal Health Care", to it's citizens? Conservatives immediately respond by saying the U.S. is not, nor should be, like "Socialist" Europe. If a Liberal uses, "Universal Health Care" provided by Sweden, to it's citizens, as an example of why the U.S. should provide, the same care, here in the U.S., Conservatives immediately accuse Liberals of trying to turn this country into a "Socialist" state. Yet now, when Conservatives want "V**er ID" laws, in this country, (and we all know what the real reason they want these laws for, and it isn't for protection against 'V***r F***d'), they use an example of one of the most corrupt governments, on earth, as an example, we in the U.S., should follow. That doesn't make sense. Heck Conservatives want desperately to build a 8,000 ft. high wall along every inch of the U.S./Mexico border, to separate the two countries. (And yes I know I exaggerated there). So on one hand when Liberals use other countries as examples, to support their positions, on issues, they are guilty of trying to turn the U.S. into a "Socialistic" state. Yet when Conservatives use examples of other countries, the U.S. should follow their examples, blindly.

Here's why Mexico is such a poor example. V****g, in this country, is what sets us apart from the world. Oh, I know much of the "Free World" and "Civilized" World v**es, but no country, prior to the creation of the United States of America allowed it's citizens to v**e, at least to my knowledge. So the U.S. set the bar for democracy, by allowing it's citizens to v**e and elect it's leaders. A big deal was made when the U.S. took over Iraq and provided for it's citizens to v**e. Remember the "ink on the thumb", to show that and Iraqi citizen had v**ed? So, at least in our minds, v****g is essential to democracy. Well v****g in Mexico was, and still may be, a sham. It was, at one time, and may still be, like the v**es the old Soviet Union held, and like the v**es Russia, holds today. You can v**e for whomever you choose, but rest assured the winner, of the e******n, is decided before, the first v**e is cast. Quick story, I lived in San Diego for twenty years, so we got to see Mexican politics up close and personal. I believe it was the PRC that was the ruling party, for decades, I don't know how long they had been in power, but you can bet no other party was going to gain control, of the government. And then in the 80s, I'm not sure of the exact dates, a young man, named Colisio (sp), offered a lot of promise and change to Mexican politics. He was very much liked by the Mexican people. So much so, Mexican papers were predicting him to win the P**********l e******n. Well the PRC would have none of that, so one day Colisio was campaigning in Tijuana and on live television, a man walked up to Colisio and shot him in the back of the head. You'll never guess what happened next, the PRC won the P**********l e******n, democracy averted. And Conservatives use this country as an example of why the U.S. should have "V**er ID" laws!? Another cute story concerning Mexico and what a wonderful example they should be, to the world. The U.S. government and Mexico decided to improve relations and combat crime that occurs between the two countries. Obviously between border towns, such as Tijuana. So the Mexican press decided to do a story about this new pact between the U.S. and Mexico and how they were going to cooperate, with each other, to clean up crime. One of the major crimes committed was the theft of U.S, vehicles, by Mexican citizens. So here is the local Mexican TV station doing a story about the U.S./Mexico pact and they sent out their cameraman and a reporter, to a local police station, to add color to the story. And what you see in the news story is astonishing, the cameraman is filming the police station, in the background, but in the foreground is the police station parking lot, and what do you think they find, a lot of stolen U.S. vehicles. So, for me, it is hard to take the example of Mexico, as a bastion of democracy. But kind of points out the hypocrisy of Conservatives. Mexico is used as an example for why we should have "V**er ID" laws, but Europe is an example of how Liberals are trying to turn the U.S. into a "Socialistic" state.

And ultimately if you want to really point out the hypocrisy, of a Conservative, this is the "end of conversation", "end of story" moment. You readers have been reading over and over how "WE NEED THESE V**ER ID LAWS" to protect our democracy against "V***r F***d". "OMG, pass these laws NOW!!!". Conservatives incessantly tell you that you NEED IDs for buying alcohol, driving a car, etc. But mention, just once, how we need "Gun Registration", in this country and it's like you've blasphemed against God. They won't even say a word about that. We NEED to protect our country against "V***R F***D", but we don't need to protect children, in our schools. And if you let these hypocrites start to argue, that "Gun Registration" will not end shootings, in our schools, malls, theaters, military bases, just let them know that "V**er ID" laws will not end "V***r F***d".

I'm out.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Bruce Kennedy wrote:

Not even close. You really should go back to schoo... (show quote)

Like time and space, political ideology eventually curves back into itself. The difference between f*****m and c*******m is the routes they take to get to the same place.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

BigMike wrote:

Like time and space, political ideology eventually curves back into itself. The difference between f*****m and c*******m is the routes they take to get to the same place.

:thumbup:

1OldGeezer

Bruce Kennedy wrote:

1Old_Geezer it is getting harder and harder to continue to post, on this site. This post will be two fold and will explain what I mean about it being harder to post, anymore. As much as you, Loki, saloopo and I argue, I've started to like you guys. Now don't get me wrong, I will never be anything but a "Liberal". I will never change my political philosophy. It may be tweaked from time to time but will never be aligned with the Conservative political way of thinking. I care too much about humanity to become that selfish. But my point is this, do you remember when we were younger and we had differences with individuals, (and this is a "male" thing only, at least for me), and eventually things would come to a boiling point and you would end up fighting, with your adversary? But after you were done punching each other out, you actually became friends. I don't know what the phenomena was, but I suspect you kind of gained a respect, for one another. That is kind of how I feel, on this forum. We argue, but after so much animosity we end up breaking the tension, a little, by sending non confrontational posts, like the "Three Stooges" posts. So maybe the topics have been worn out or we've said everything we have to say about our positions. Or we realize we are never going to change. But wh**ever it is I'm no longer in the adversarial mood. Again, that doesn't mean I've changed my political philosophy one iota, I am and will always be a "Liberal"

Now having said that I am going to address one last thing, that will put us at odds once again. But this the last time. And what I am going to address, is your post. Here is how I see using Mexico, as an example, we should use, here in the U.S., to justify enacting, "V**er ID" laws. First of all I can't help but notice the hypocrisy, of this defense, by Conservatives. Now bear with me, on this analogy. Conservatives continually attack the notion of "Universal Health Care". Liberals continually ask the question why can't the U.S. be like the rest of the "civilized" world and provide "Universal Health Care", to it's citizens? Conservatives immediately respond by saying the U.S. is not, nor should be, like "Socialist" Europe. If a Liberal uses, "Universal Health Care" provided by Sweden, to it's citizens, as an example of why the U.S. should provide, the same care, here in the U.S., Conservatives immediately accuse Liberals of trying to turn this country into a "Socialist" state. Yet now, when Conservatives want "V**er ID" laws, in this country, (and we all know what the real reason they want these laws for, and it isn't for protection against 'V***r F***d'), they use an example of one of the most corrupt governments, on earth, as an example, we in the U.S., should follow. That doesn't make sense. Heck Conservatives want desperately to build a 8,000 ft. high wall along every inch of the U.S./Mexico border, to separate the two countries. (And yes I know I exaggerated there). So on one hand when Liberals use other countries as examples, to support their positions, on issues, they are guilty of trying to turn the U.S. into a "Socialistic" state. Yet when Conservatives use examples of other countries, the U.S. should follow their examples, blindly.

Here's why Mexico is such a poor example. V****g, in this country, is what sets us apart from the world. Oh, I know much of the "Free World" and "Civilized" World v**es, but no country, prior to the creation of the United States of America allowed it's citizens to v**e, at least to my knowledge. So the U.S. set the bar for democracy, by allowing it's citizens to v**e and elect it's leaders. A big deal was made when the U.S. took over Iraq and provided for it's citizens to v**e. Remember the "ink on the thumb", to show that and Iraqi citizen had v**ed? So, at least in our minds, v****g is essential to democracy. Well v****g in Mexico was, and still may be, a sham. It was, at one time, and may still be, like the v**es the old Soviet Union held, and like the v**es Russia, holds today. You can v**e for whomever you choose, but rest assured the winner, of the e******n, is decided before, the first v**e is cast. Quick story, I lived in San Diego for twenty years, so we got to see Mexican politics up close and personal. I believe it was the PRC that was the ruling party, for decades, I don't know how long they had been in power, but you can bet no other party was going to gain control, of the government. And then in the 80s, I'm not sure of the exact dates, a young man, named Colisio (sp), offered a lot of promise and change to Mexican politics. He was very much liked by the Mexican people. So much so, Mexican papers were predicting him to win the P**********l e******n. Well the PRC would have none of that, so one day Colisio was campaigning in Tijuana and on live television, a man walked up to Colisio and shot him in the back of the head. You'll never guess what happened next, the PRC won the P**********l e******n, democracy averted. And Conservatives use this country as an example of why the U.S. should have "V**er ID" laws!? Another cute story concerning Mexico and what a wonderful example they should be, to the world. The U.S. government and Mexico decided to improve relations and combat crime that occurs between the two countries. Obviously between border towns, such as Tijuana. So the Mexican press decided to do a story about this new pact between the U.S. and Mexico and how they were going to cooperate, with each other, to clean up crime. One of the major crimes committed was the theft of U.S, vehicles, by Mexican citizens. So here is the local Mexican TV station doing a story about the U.S./Mexico pact and they sent out their cameraman and a reporter, to a local police station, to add color to the story. And what you see in the news story is astonishing, the cameraman is filming the police station, in the background, but in the foreground is the police station parking lot, and what do you think they find, a lot of stolen U.S. vehicles. So, for me, it is hard to take the example of Mexico, as a bastion of democracy. But kind of points out the hypocrisy of Conservatives. Mexico is used as an example for why we should have "V**er ID" laws, but Europe is an example of how Liberals are trying to turn the U.S. into a "Socialistic" state.

And ultimately if you want to really point out the hypocrisy, of a Conservative, this is the "end of conversation", "end of story" moment. You readers have been reading over and over how "WE NEED THESE V**ER ID LAWS" to protect our democracy against "V***r F***d". "OMG, pass these laws NOW!!!". Conservatives incessantly tell you that you NEED IDs for buying alcohol, driving a car, etc. But mention, just once, how we need "Gun Registration", in this country and it's like you've blasphemed against God. They won't even say a word about that. We NEED to protect our country against "V***R F***D", but we don't need to protect children, in our schools. And if you let these hypocrites start to argue, that "Gun Registration" will not end shootings, in our schools, malls, theaters, military bases, just let them know that "V**er ID" laws will not end "V***r F***d".

I'm out.

1Old_Geezer it is getting harder and harder to con... (show quote)

Bruce,
I can see you are sincere in what you believe, you're certainly not my enemy, I respect you for at least standing for what you believe. We have disagreements because we see different visions about where this country is headed with the take over by the Federal Government. I think we will all suffer under central planning/control by the Feds. In the end it is really a contest between free market Capitalism and socialism.

You will never be convinced of any of my conservative beliefs by just words, I would suggest that you look at results of each system and decide what works and what doesn't in actual practice.

Look at the United States as a whole, what is the present condition of the cities that have had 30-40 years of liberal (Democrat) rule/policies? Then look at the cities/states that have conservative leadership. Look at the evidence of what works and what doesn't... Good luck.

1oldgeezer