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Mar 6, 2018 10:26:46   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Bundy ranch is a perfect example of the 2nd amendment relevance in the 21 century. Are you aware of the outcome? Did you know that judges ruled that Bundy acted within his constitutional rights? And had he not taken the 18th century 2nd Amendment rights and rightly applied those same rights, are you aware the government would have taken everyone of his cattle and psychically removed him from his ranch?
It was only because of the 2nd amendment that citizens can defend themselves against government overreach.

Most Americans have heard of, or watched the television series "The Walking Dead". Throughout the series there are scenes of small bands seeking out food, guns, with a k**l first mind set.

Scientists have been warning congress for over a decade to harden our electric grid against a solar flare capable of taking out the grid, also the ease of a terrorist group launching an EMP attack is now a genuine threat. The scenes of small groups k*****g, raping, for food would be a reality in the event of an EMP /Solar flare.
We know a solar flare capable of taking out the grid will happen (todate our power grid has not been hardened), it happened already in 1859 known as the Carrington Effect , taking down telegraph wires (melting them).
http://www.history.com/news/a-perfect-solar-superstorm-the-1859-carrington-event" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/amp/amp.history.com/news/a-perfect-solar-superstorm-the-1859-carrington-event#ampshare=http://www.history.com/news/a-perfect-solar-superstorm-the-1859-carrington-event

Since we recently see the extreme violence during the last decade, Ferguson, Baltimore, B*M, A****a, and Berkeley University, you could easily multiple those violent events by one hundred. Every Christian hating, conservative hating liberal that has any sense would be seeking out Christian conservatives hoping they owned an AR-15 or any guns to protect their lives.

There are dozens of examples why our founding fathers believed so strongly that Americans should be armed, at the very least have the uninfringed rights to be armed, and Bundy ranch is a glaring example specifically why.
Bundy ranch is a perfect example of the 2nd amendm... (show quote)




Jack,

You are among the many on OPP that do not understand the Bundy criminals..

The court never found that the bundy group were within any constitutional rights..

The case was dismissed because the stupid prosecutors messed up the evidence and made a fair trial impossible..

NO one was trying to evict bundyfrom his ranch. the 160 acres was private property and his home..

They were removing his cattle from public land for which he had refused to pay grazing fees for 20 years.. He stole from you and me.. if you paid taxes, you got robbed by the raciest criminal..

the stand down at the ranch was wisely made to save lives.. All those gun nut wanted to k**l lawmen and govt employees..

A pair returned to Las Vagus and k**led a cop just to keep in practice..

It is a great miscarriage of justice that these Bundy criminals are walking and breathing the same air as true Americans..

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Mar 6, 2018 11:06:53   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
CDM wrote:
like I said, best you got ... When you don't have a clue how to argue, use witlessness and false bravado to distract and divert away from the argument. You're good at that Bobby ... Good little comrade ...


I don't argue with N**is, history speaks for it's self.

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Mar 6, 2018 11:32:19   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
Bad Bob wrote:
I don't argue with N**is, history speaks for it's self.


Oh bad Bob brought up N**is, means he has nothing. Loser

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Mar 6, 2018 12:06:42   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
dongreen76 wrote:
There's a pro and con second amendment debate,when you have as such the competive parties have a tendency to quote the extreme,and exaggerate the down sides of their opponents stance so as to make their arguments more compelling ,also some of them do believe in a total absence of individual gun owner ship,and do to the argument that the constitution does not directly address the issue of individual gun ownership,comma ambiguity not with standing,they are right.The pro second amendment people are going under an assumption,and using their common sense,the second amendment only directly speaks of bearing/bareing arms meaning an army/m*****as.The comma only signifies a pause so as to keep the phrase from being what they call in grammatics run on.To further explain- The right to bear arms a m*****a,when written like this with out the comma,the phrase becomes one object- BEAR ARMS A M*****A -run on phrase,to further elaborate,an example. I went to the store and I bought a loaf of bread hamburger jelly soda soap,one would discern that I bought A`breadhamburgerjellysodasoap,one item,however in fact l purchased five seperate Items,I went to the store and I bought a loaf of bread,hambuger,jelly,soda,and soap.the comma is used to pause, to indicate seperation of clauses and phrase,independent or dependent,and to distinguish different items from one another.
There's a pro and con second amendment debate,when... (show quote)




There clearly is not two ways to interpret the 2nd amendment.
How's your history? Perhaps start by searching " founding fathers quotes, intent of the 2nd amendment".

There are literally hundreds of quotes /speeches recorded that when one begins reading, it becomes impossible to claim anything other than, the founding fathers intended Americans to not only have uninfringed rights to bear arms, but actually own and carry them.

I have posted dozens of their quotes in other post, only to find that posting them the lock step liberals just disappear, end of debate.

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Mar 6, 2018 12:15:29   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
permafrost wrote:
Jack,

You are among the many on OPP that do not understand the Bundy criminals..

The court never found that the bundy group were within any constitutional rights..

The case was dismissed because the stupid prosecutors messed up the evidence and made a fair trial impossible..

NO one was trying to evict bundyfrom his ranch. the 160 acres was private property and his home..

They were removing his cattle from public land for which he had refused to pay grazing fees for 20 years.. He stole from you and me.. if you paid taxes, you got robbed by the raciest criminal..

the stand down at the ranch was wisely made to save lives.. All those gun nut wanted to k**l lawmen and govt employees..

A pair returned to Las Vagus and k**led a cop just to keep in practice..

It is a great miscarriage of justice that these Bundy criminals are walking and breathing the same air as true Americans..
Jack, br br You are among the many on OPP that do... (show quote)




The one not familiar is anyone reading liberal bias reporting of Bundy.
Bundy was not a criminal, the court found the FBI along with other agencies lied on every level. Bundy, just as thousands of ranchers do, lease federal land and he committed no crime. You may want to look up the case, it was the FBI that murdered, it was the FBI k*****g his cattle. Damn, frosty you really gotta get some facts straight from the case and get away from your liberal f**e news Bulls**t.

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Mar 6, 2018 12:54:15   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
The one not familiar is anyone reading liberal bias reporting of Bundy.
Bundy was not a criminal, the court found the FBI along with other agencies lied on every level. Bundy, just as thousands of ranchers do, lease federal land and he committed no crime. You may want to look up the case, it was the FBI that murdered, it was the FBI k*****g his cattle. Damn, frosty you really gotta get some facts straight from the case and get away from your liberal f**e news Bulls**t.




He refused to pay the fees as was agreed to..

No one was murdered. Lavoy was k**led due to his own actions..

Cattle were not k**led, they were rounded up for removal..

Bundy stole money from me and all tax payers..

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Mar 6, 2018 13:03:58   #
Ricktloml
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
How is that possible, the Bundy event was recent and just finalized in court.
You made a statement to relevance of the 2nd amendment in the 21st century as outdated. I replied and kicked your argument up one side and down the other.
Your trapped in l*****t ideology


Sad that it isn't odd that l*****ts consider our Constitution BS. We used to be TAUGHT that BS in our schools. That our freedom of speech and religion, right to bear arms, and right to privacy among other rights shouldn't be infringed upon. But l*****t took over our schools and now our youth aren't taught the t***h, just what l*****ts want them to know. Mostly what l*****t taught our children is moral decay, and submission to the almighty state, and to avoid critical thinking. That's one of the reasons they needed to destroy the family, they didn't want a stable home life to counter their vicious propaganda.

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Mar 6, 2018 13:12:33   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Sad that it isn't odd that l*****ts consider our Constitution BS. We used to be TAUGHT that BS in our schools. That our freedom of speech and religion, right to bear arms, and right to privacy among other rights shouldn't be infringed upon. But l*****t took over our schools and now our youth aren't taught the t***h, just what l*****ts want them to know. Mostly what l*****t taught our children is moral decay, and submission to the almighty state, and to avoid critical thinking. That's one of the reasons they needed to destroy the family, they didn't want a stable home life to counter their vicious propaganda.
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Do you understand school curriculum is a local issue?

If you do not like what or how your school teaches, go to the school board meetings and be heard..

Make it your mission to make subject of your liking taught in your local school..

It is not that hard..

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Mar 6, 2018 13:44:30   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
permafrost wrote:
He refused to pay the fees as was agreed to..

No one was murdered. Lavoy was k**led due to his own actions..

Cattle were not k**led, they were rounded up for removal..

Bundy stole money from me and all tax payers..



Liberals h**e facts but love f**e and biased news.

Even though both an fbi and b*m agents admit murder, k*****g cattle, and Bundy was within his constitutional rights, you will dismiss t***h.


http://freerangereport.com/index.php/2017/11/30/government-lies-malfeasance-exposed-in-bundy-trial-developments/


https://qz.com/603743/the-man-k**led-in-an-fbi-shootout-in-oregon-was-a-rancher-and-foster-parent-to-50-boys/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/603743/the-man-k**led-in-an-fbi-shootout-in-oregon-was-a-rancher-and-foster-parent-to-50-boys/amp/#ampshare=https://qz.com/603743/the-man-k**led-in-an-fbi-shootout-in-oregon-was-a-rancher-and-foster-parent-to-50-boys/

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-investigations/2017/12/15/federal-agent-alleges-u-s-misconduct-bundy-ranch-standoff/956525001/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/956525001#ampshare=https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-investigations/2017/12/15/federal-agent-alleges-u-s-misconduct-bundy-ranch-standoff/956525001/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/04/21/b*m-confirms-it-k**led-six-of-bundy-s-cows/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/04/21/b*m-confirms-it-k**led-six-of-bundy-s-cows/amp/#ampshare=http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/04/21/b*m-confirms-it-k**led-six-of-bundy-s-cows/

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Mar 6, 2018 13:45:05   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Stupidity


So, in your stupidity, you fail to see that all the politicians who want to ban guns, one type at a time, have Ds after their names? You are just like them and want to take all our guns so your state control can't be questioned

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Mar 6, 2018 13:47:29   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Your going to protect the states with your little pop guns against the US military?


Bob, are you sure that all Obama's keepers who agreed to shoot citizens are still in control of the military? You will need that to be true if you want the military to use their weapons on citizens. You poor goons really don't understand, do you?

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Mar 6, 2018 13:57:03   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
It takes very little intelligence to understand the constitution is a living document. And you refuse to refuse to acknowledge the hundreds of speeches and quotes from our founding fathers clearly stating their 2 amendment intentions that every citizen have a fire arm. Just in the event a radical group arise seeking to t***sform America and remove arms, just exactly like l*****t.
What I don't understand is why people that don't like America ideals and her founding, haven't moved to a Marxist society.
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Jack, I have to disagree with your saying that our Constitution is a living document. That is liberal talk and they use it every time they suggest some fool thing like throwing out the 2nd Amendment. They want to change all kinds of parts of the document but not through the methods provided by it. Think before you sound like you are one of them.

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Mar 6, 2018 14:06:55   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Bad Bob wrote:
I don't argue with N**is, history speaks for it's self.


When you find yourself backed in a corner you just refuse to argue with whoever you don't find yourself in agreement. Maybe you better stop putting down those one liners and hoping for the best. You have had your ass handed to you several times these last two days.

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Mar 6, 2018 14:24:48   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
oldroy wrote:
Jack, I have to disagree with your saying that our Constitution is a living document. That is liberal talk and they use it every time they suggest some fool thing like throwing out the 2nd Amendment. They want to change all kinds of parts of the document but not through the methods provided by it. Think before you sound like you are one of them.



We both agree, I miss spoke. I was intending to convey not changeable, but same relevance yesterday and today. My biblical background "The Bible is the living word of God" unchanging.

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Mar 6, 2018 14:25:59   #
Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State
 
Bad Bob wrote:
"It takes very little intelligence to understand the constitution is a living document." Right, time to join the 21 century.


It applies to what we have in place. 2nd Amendment giving us the right to guns. Wh**ever guns are made today. Well golly gee!! That means I can have a AR 15. Because it is my RIGHT!!

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