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Jan 27, 2018 03:09:37   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Did you know that the United States under President Obama funded $200,000 annually to advance the United Nations Small Arms Treat?

Attorney General Loretta Lynch also signed the Strong Cities Network allowing our DOJ to call upon UNCOPS to "restore order" within our borders.

Both these "agreements" signed by the Obama administration are not passed by Congress and hence, unconstitutional.

This international Small Arms Treaty compiles a list of gun ownership worldwide, the precursor hit-list to total civil disarmament.

We are not accountable to the United Nations' den of dictators.

Worse, we are still funding this nonsense right now, unknowingly to President Trump and UN Ambassador Nikki Haley.

Please alert our Representatives and the Oval Office to withdraw all funding of this unconstitutional affront to our national sovereignty and civil rights.
https://nagr.org/883_Defund_UN-p.aspx?pid=sb1802a

Peace through strength.

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Jan 27, 2018 03:54:17   #
eden
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Did you know that the United States under President Obama funded $200,000 annually to advance the United Nations Small Arms Treat?

Attorney General Loretta Lynch also signed the Strong Cities Network allowing our DOJ to call upon UNCOPS to "restore order" within our borders.

Both these "agreements" signed by the Obama administration are not passed by Congress and hence, unconstitutional.

This international Small Arms Treaty compiles a list of gun ownership worldwide, the precursor hit-list to total civil disarmament.

We are not accountable to the United Nations' den of dictators.

Worse, we are still funding this nonsense right now, unknowingly to President Trump and UN Ambassador Nikki Haley.

Please alert our Representatives and the Oval Office to withdraw all funding of this unconstitutional affront to our national sovereignty and civil rights.
https://nagr.org/883_Defund_UN-p.aspx?pid=sb1802a

Peace through strength.
Did you know that the United States under Presiden... (show quote)


If this was true then every responsible American gun owner should be outraged.

Problem is, it is demonstrably false.

“The treaty applies only to international t***sfers of conventional arms and, in fact, reaffirms “the sovereign right of any State to regulate and control conventional arms” within its territory. The treaty’s preamble also makes specific reference to the legitimate trade, lawful ownership and use of certain conventional arms for recreational, cultural, historical and sporting activities.”

This f**e meme has been around the fringe right echo chamber for some time and every now and then gets dusted off for another go-around. Doesn’t change the fact that this treaty would help prevent caches of small arms falling into the hands of drug cartels and terrorist groups. A little less hysteria around the second amendment would greatly benefit this country.

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Jan 27, 2018 05:52:59   #
Quakerwidow Loc: Chestertown, MD
 
eden wrote:
If this was true then every responsible American gun owner should be outraged.

Problem is, it is demonstrably false.

“The treaty applies only to international t***sfers of conventional arms and, in fact, reaffirms “the sovereign right of any State to regulate and control conventional arms” within its territory. The treaty’s preamble also makes specific reference to the legitimate trade, lawful ownership and use of certain conventional arms for recreational, cultural, historical and sporting activities.”

This f**e meme has been around the fringe right echo chamber for some time and every now and then gets dusted off for another go-around. Doesn’t change the fact that this treaty would help prevent caches of small arms falling into the hands of drug cartels and terrorist groups. A little less hysteria around the second amendment would greatly benefit this country.
If this was true then every responsible American g... (show quote)

Amen.

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Jan 29, 2018 00:21:30   #
Radiance3
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Did you know that the United States under President Obama funded $200,000 annually to advance the United Nations Small Arms Treat?

Attorney General Loretta Lynch also signed the Strong Cities Network allowing our DOJ to call upon UNCOPS to "restore order" within our borders.

Both these "agreements" signed by the Obama administration are not passed by Congress and hence, unconstitutional.

This international Small Arms Treaty compiles a list of gun ownership worldwide, the precursor hit-list to total civil disarmament.

We are not accountable to the United Nations' den of dictators.

Worse, we are still funding this nonsense right now, unknowingly to President Trump and UN Ambassador Nikki Haley.

Please alert our Representatives and the Oval Office to withdraw all funding of this unconstitutional affront to our national sovereignty and civil rights.
https://nagr.org/883_Defund_UN-p.aspx?pid=sb1802a

Peace through strength.
Did you know that the United States under Presiden... (show quote)

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Most of Obama's policies were unconstitutional. It is called "Political Correctness".
That is why president Trump has been reversing most of them. The Deep State has plans to get rid of president Trump. Be vigilant and protect our president who works so hard for all of us.

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Jan 29, 2018 04:26:39   #
eden
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Most of Obama's policies were unconstitutional. It is called "Political Correctness".
That is why president Trump has been reversing most of them. The Deep State has plans to get rid of president Trump. Be vigilant and protect our president who works so hard for all of us.


Thank you for the irrelevant ramble but can you address the central premise that the U.N. Arms Treaty in question does not threaten private gun ownership in any sovereign nation including and specifically the United States of America.

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Jan 29, 2018 12:45:08   #
Radiance3
 
eden wrote:
Thank you for the irrelevant ramble but can you address the central premise that the U.N. Arms Treaty in question does not threaten private gun ownership in any sovereign nation including and specifically the United States of America.


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Eden, the most important focus of UN is taking America into their control. It is not only gun control, but the whole of American being planned to One World Government under the control of UN, and other few elite leaders like Obama who was reported as being trained to rule.

Sounds like you love Obama until now.

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Jan 29, 2018 20:34:56   #
eden
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Eden, the most important focus of UN is taking America into their control. It is not only gun control, but the whole of American being planned to One World Government under the control of UN, and other few elite leaders like Obama who was reported as being trained to rule.

Sounds like you love Obama until now.


Why must I be a lover of anyone for simply pointing out the facts. Your statements are only conjecture until you can provide verifiable evidence. There is none. Even on a balance of probabilities the idea that the UN (of which the US is a leading member)is plotting a worldwide takeover is about as likely as confiscating all guns anywhere in America. In other words a bunch of paranoid nonsense peddled by conspiracy theorists who make money out of ginning up peoples fear and antipathy towards authority.

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Feb 1, 2018 02:42:56   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
eden wrote:
If this was true then every responsible American gun owner should be outraged.

Problem is, it is demonstrably false.

“The treaty applies only to international t***sfers of conventional arms and, in fact, reaffirms “the sovereign right of any State to regulate and control conventional arms” within its territory. The treaty’s preamble also makes specific reference to the legitimate trade, lawful ownership and use of certain conventional arms for recreational, cultural, historical and sporting activities.”

This f**e meme has been around the fringe right echo chamber for some time and every now and then gets dusted off for another go-around. Doesn’t change the fact that this treaty would help prevent caches of small arms falling into the hands of drug cartels and terrorist groups. A little less hysteria around the second amendment would greatly benefit this country.
If this was true then every responsible American g... (show quote)


Eden, not so. Had you pulled up this website I posted you would have noticed it was that of Dudley Brown, President of the National Association for Gun Rights which was forwarded to all subscribers to Senator Rand Paul's news site. Senator Rand Paul is a staunch conservative and advocate of our Bill of Rights.

What this UN Small Arms Treaty is all about is compiling a gun owner list. First comes gun registration and then comes gun confiscation. It happen in N**i Germany, and it is happening now. Our Congress never ratified this UN treaty, fully aware that it was unconstitutional, yet we still fund it. Ridiculous.

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Feb 1, 2018 02:44:24   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Most of Obama's policies were unconstitutional. It is called "Political Correctness".
That is why president Trump has been reversing most of them. The Deep State has plans to get rid of president Trump. Be vigilant and protect our president who works so hard for all of us.


Absolutely.

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Feb 2, 2018 04:34:26   #
eden
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Eden, not so. Had you pulled up this website I posted you would have noticed it was that of Dudley Brown, President of the National Association for Gun Rights which was forwarded to all subscribers to Senator Rand Paul's news site. Senator Rand Paul is a staunch conservative and advocate of our Bill of Rights.

What this UN Small Arms Treaty is all about is compiling a gun owner list. First comes gun registration and then comes gun confiscation. It happen in N**i Germany, and it is happening now. Our Congress never ratified this UN treaty, fully aware that it was unconstitutional, yet we still fund it. Ridiculous.
Eden, not so. Had you pulled up this website I pos... (show quote)


I pulled up your Dudley Brown website and was unimpressed. This kind of fringe viewpoint is just more f**e news designed to draw responsible gun owners into partisan anti-intellectual tribal politics and is pointlessly d******e. It should be noted that This Treaty while referring to “small arms” actually included battle tanks and shoulder fired missiles and was designed specifically to prevent international arms dealers from selling or t***sferring lethal military hardware to rogue nations like North Korea or terrorist groups like ISIS.

Peace and strength through education and accurate information.

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Feb 3, 2018 04:22:02   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
eden wrote:
I pulled up your Dudley Brown website and was unimpressed. This kind of fringe viewpoint is just more f**e news designed to draw responsible gun owners into partisan anti-intellectual tribal politics and is pointlessly d******e. It should be noted that This Treaty while referring to “small arms” actually included battle tanks and shoulder fired missiles and was designed specifically to prevent international arms dealers from selling or t***sferring lethal military hardware to rogue nations like North Korea or terrorist groups like ISIS.

Peace and strength through education and accurate information.
I pulled up your Dudley Brown website and was unim... (show quote)


Eden, the 2nd Amendment is not "fringe viewpoint" but the majority of Americans. Take a look at this article, which I paraphrased at the end:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/15/un-arms-trade-treaty-gives-away-rights-of-american/
Thursday December 15, 2016 by Thomas L. Mason

"Another of President Obama's brazen acts as he heaves office is a 'parting shot' at American gun owners by submitting the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty to the U.S. Senate for ratification. For the uninitiated, the term refers to turning around in your saddle as you ride away from a losing battle and firing one last round at your enemy.

"The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) was negotiated from 2006, during the Bush administratio9n, through 2013 with the Obama administration. The original intent of the treaty was theoretically to prohibit arms t***sfers to regimes that abused human rights. From the very start though, gun control groups looked upon the treaty as an end run around America's domestic reluctance to adopt their agenda -- if Congress and the state legislatures wouldn't pass gun control why not get the U.N. to make it a permanent part of its agenda or even better part of international law?... Ambassador John R. Bolton who single-handedly stopped a U.N. treaty effort in 2001 that would have regulated U.S. civilian firearms.

"The proposed ATT gave them the opportunity they had been waiting for, a legally binding treaty imposing regulation and conditions on the t***sfer and maybe possession of any weapon from a pistol to a battle ship. As incredible as it seems, the U.N. Human Rights Commission has already interpreted lack of gun control as a human rights abuse. The treaty is now in effect and the United States has signed it.

"The Bush administration and its chief negotiator Ambassador Donald Mahley recognized the danger of a treaty whose scope included civilian firearms. During early negotiations Mr. Mahley convinced the U.N., and countries supporting the treaty, to exempt firearms held under 'national Constitutional protection,' i.e. the American Second Amendment....

The e******n of Barack Obama and the appointment of Hillary Clinton as secretary of State changed everything. Mrs. Clinton demoted Mr. Mahley and replaced him with Under Secretary of State Tom Countrymnan, a shaggy-haired disarmament specialist who had no interest in protecting American gun rights. Mr. Mahley himself fell ill with pancreatic cancer and died in 2013, an unsung hero for American rights. The NRA and other gun rights lobbied".... [but to no avail.]

Our Bill of Rights and Constitution cannot be o*******wn by the Club of Dictators and Despots at the United Nations, nor a rogue President or Secretary of State or Congress without a 3/4th state ratification on an amendment to the Constitution. I say we not only stop funding this Small Arms Treaty, but stop funding the entire United Nations. At least we could spend that $10 billion dollars on infrastructure renewal at home.

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Feb 3, 2018 07:38:59   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
I v**e to STOP FUNDING THE UN ENTIRELY and kick their asses out of the US!

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Feb 3, 2018 20:15:35   #
eden
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Eden, the 2nd Amendment is not "fringe viewpoint" but the majority of Americans. Take a look at this article, which I paraphrased at the end:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/15/un-arms-trade-treaty-gives-away-rights-of-american/
Thursday December 15, 2016 by Thomas L. Mason

"Another of President Obama's brazen acts as he heaves office is a 'parting shot' at American gun owners by submitting the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty to the U.S. Senate for ratification. For the uninitiated, the term refers to turning around in your saddle as you ride away from a losing battle and firing one last round at your enemy.

"The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) was negotiated from 2006, during the Bush administratio9n, through 2013 with the Obama administration. The original intent of the treaty was theoretically to prohibit arms t***sfers to regimes that abused human rights. From the very start though, gun control groups looked upon the treaty as an end run around America's domestic reluctance to adopt their agenda -- if Congress and the state legislatures wouldn't pass gun control why not get the U.N. to make it a permanent part of its agenda or even better part of international law?... Ambassador John R. Bolton who single-handedly stopped a U.N. treaty effort in 2001 that would have regulated U.S. civilian firearms.

"The proposed ATT gave them the opportunity they had been waiting for, a legally binding treaty imposing regulation and conditions on the t***sfer and maybe possession of any weapon from a pistol to a battle ship. As incredible as it seems, the U.N. Human Rights Commission has already interpreted lack of gun control as a human rights abuse. The treaty is now in effect and the United States has signed it.

"The Bush administration and its chief negotiator Ambassador Donald Mahley recognized the danger of a treaty whose scope included civilian firearms. During early negotiations Mr. Mahley convinced the U.N., and countries supporting the treaty, to exempt firearms held under 'national Constitutional protection,' i.e. the American Second Amendment....

The e******n of Barack Obama and the appointment of Hillary Clinton as secretary of State changed everything. Mrs. Clinton demoted Mr. Mahley and replaced him with Under Secretary of State Tom Countrymnan, a shaggy-haired disarmament specialist who had no interest in protecting American gun rights. Mr. Mahley himself fell ill with pancreatic cancer and died in 2013, an unsung hero for American rights. The NRA and other gun rights lobbied".... [but to no avail.]

Our Bill of Rights and Constitution cannot be o*******wn by the Club of Dictators and Despots at the United Nations, nor a rogue President or Secretary of State or Congress without a 3/4th state ratification on an amendment to the Constitution. I say we not only stop funding this Small Arms Treaty, but stop funding the entire United Nations. At least we could spend that $10 billion dollars on infrastructure renewal at home.
Eden, the 2nd Amendment is not "fringe viewpo... (show quote)


I did not state that the second Amendment was a fringe viewpoint which obviously it is not. If you choose to accept this twisted version of the facts there is little else to debate. What I and others note with increasing dismay is the propensity for people to accept the most egregious distortions of facts when those facts are at odds with a tribal position talking points.
This true for contentious issues ranging from gun regulation to a******n to immigration.
It is still my hope that Americans can enter some sort of social dialogue before the whole dream goes down the drain of history.

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Feb 4, 2018 05:17:52   #
Quakerwidow Loc: Chestertown, MD
 
eden wrote:
I did not state that the second Amendment was a fringe viewpoint which obviously it is not. If you choose to accept this twisted version of the facts there is little else to debate. What I and others note with increasing dismay is the propensity for people to accept the most egregious distortions of facts when those facts are at odds with a tribal position talking points.
This true for contentious issues ranging from gun regulation to a******n to immigration.
It is still my hope that Americans can enter some sort of social dialogue before the whole dream goes down the drain of history.
I did not state that the second Amendment was a fr... (show quote)


I agree.

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Feb 5, 2018 00:36:49   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
eden wrote:
I did not state that the second Amendment was a fringe viewpoint which obviously it is not. If you choose to accept this twisted version of the facts there is little else to debate. What I and others note with increasing dismay is the propensity for people to accept the most egregious distortions of facts when those facts are at odds with a tribal position talking points....


Eden you write:
"I pulled up your Dudley Brown website and was unimpressed. This kind of fringe viewpoint is just more f**e news designed to draw responsible gun owners into partisan anti-intellectual tribal politics and is pointlessly d******e.... designed to prevent arms going to North Korea..."

And what happened? The Small Arms Treaty expanded its mission to include disarming American citizens. That's what the Washington Times article was all about. The Democrat Party has been hell bent on disarming all American citizens so the Democrats circumvented our Constitution and sold us out to the New World Order United Nations.

Anybody who objects to the systematic dismantling of our Constitution and Bill of Rights is now deem a "fringe tribal" nutcase? Hmmmm. I think not.

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