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Jan 3, 2018 13:07:40   #
whiz666
 
I m not a self proclaimed expert, nor do I probably qualify as a "scholar", but I strongly believe these labels are quite useless if you can't think thing through or have a closed mind. Sadly most people seem to make their so-called decisions on a purely emotional level ignoring the reality around them. If you are so desperate to only accept things that support your position, whether it be political, religious, science or theory, then you probably should reconsider what you believe in.

I try to seriously challenge the claims of those who are in contradiction with what I understand, and truly cannot respect those who cannot explain how they reached their conclusions. All to often I find that even the most persistent, loudest, vehement or dismissive have made their claims based on an emotional decision, or worse are just echoing or parroting something they were told, overheard or read without actually weighing any options. Most of these people love the "debate", usually putting people down in the process, but actually just don't like to think things through on their own. Much like the so-called conservative evangelicals who promote the GOP's garbage because their pastor or priest told them what to believe; they don't bother with the effort to question, verify or consider what they are being told.

To avoid future surprises I am a white Christian fairly liberal progressive, although I may be considered contradictory to this claim at times (there are few absolutes in life with the exception of God).

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Jan 3, 2018 13:18:18   #
Doc110 (a regular here)
 
whiz666,

Welcome,

History, facts are so very important how to express one's opinions and one's reality around them. . . . What you believe in and cherish in life.

Remain factual . . . .

Doc110


[quote=whiz666

I'm not a self proclaimed expert, nor do I probably qualify as a "scholar".

But I strongly believe these labels are quite useless if you can't think thing through or have a closed mind.

Sadly most people seem to make their so-called decisions on a purely emotional level ignoring the reality around them.

If you are so desperate to only accept things that support your position, whether it be political, religious, science or theory, then you probably should reconsider what you believe in.

I try to seriously challenge the claims of those who are in contradiction with what I understand, and truly cannot respect those who cannot explain how they reached their conclusions.

All to often I find that even the most persistent, loudest, vehement or dismissive have made their claims based on an emotional decision, or worse are just echoing or parroting something they were told, overheard or read without actually weighing any options.

Most of these people love the "debate", usually putting people down in the process, but actually just don't like to think things through on their own.

Much like the so-called conservative evangelicals who promote the GOP's garbage because their pastor or priest told them what to believe;

They don't bother with the effort to question, verify or consider what they are being told.

To avoid future surprises I am a white Christian fairly liberal progressive, although I may be considered contradictory to this claim at times (there are few absolutes in life with the exception of God).[/quote]

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Jan 3, 2018 13:32:40   #
slatten49 (a regular here)
 
Welcome, Whizz666. I look forward to your postings.

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Jan 3, 2018 13:44:43   #
no propaganda please (a regular here)
 
whiz666 wrote:
I m not a self proclaimed expert, nor do I probably qualify as a "scholar", but I strongly believe these labels are quite useless if you can't think thing through or have a closed mind. Sadly most people seem to make their so-called decisions on a purely emotional level ignoring the reality around them. If you are so desperate to only accept things that support your position, whether it be political, religious, science or theory, then you probably should reconsider what you believe in.

I try to seriously challenge the claims of those who are in contradiction with what I understand, and truly cannot respect those who cannot explain how they reached their conclusions. All to often I find that even the most persistent, loudest, vehement or dismissive have made their claims based on an emotional decision, or worse are just echoing or parroting something they were told, overheard or read without actually weighing any options. Most of these people love the "debate", usually putting people down in the process, but actually just don't like to think things through on their own. Much like the so-called conservative evangelicals who promote the GOP's garbage because their pastor or priest told them what to believe; they don't bother with the effort to question, verify or consider what they are being told.

To avoid future surprises I am a white Christian fairly liberal progressive, although I may be considered contradictory to this claim at times (there are few absolutes in life with the exception of God).
I m not a self proclaimed expert, nor do I probabl... (show quote)


Welcome to the zoo. Just how do you define "progressive"? Considering it has now come to mean socialist or Marxist, that doesn't sound like what you are.

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Jan 3, 2018 15:50:30   #
whiz666
 
Truthfully I don't have a clue about Marxism ot most of the labeled philosophies so I guess only time will tell there.

I see progressives as those that are interested in solving the challenges we face so that we can move into the future with less problems.

I suppose that the difference between the right and left is really quite simple, at least to me.

The right wants to go back to the 20's and 30's where everything was viewed according to the individual's concerns. The rich had no boundaries, there was opportunity everywhere and the individual sank or swam usually on their own. Sadly human suffering far exceeded the successes. Of course the end product was the Great Depression and the realization that part of the governments responsibility was to provide for its citizens (all of them). For purely selfish reasons the republicans want to return to the past, the suffering of others isn't their concern. Hilarious since so many so-called evangelicals are in the republican party supporting these views which are in direct opposition to God's word.

The left on the other hand seems to care not for the individual as much as for the collective. That is not to say that they don't support the individual's rights because, hilariously they seem to be more adamant in protecting individual rights than the right is. But the left seeks to ensure everyone is given the opportunity to be the best that they can be. They want a protection net for all citizens to at least provide life's basic needs. This is socialism I guess, but we will not be ready for the future if we do not start mixing the best that democracy, socialism and capitalism can contribute.

In addition if history has proved anything it has proved that we cannot trust human beings to do what is right when they are subjected to the temptation of greed, laziness or power. So I believe in regulation, and that generally the more inconvenient the regulation is the more it was probably needed. Only a greedy fool would want to remove most of our regulations to support the greedy. We need to always place clean air and water, public safety and health, responsible manufacturing, controlled waste, animal welfare, etc as national priorities. The last thing we need to allow is fir us to become a huge Easter Island.

Hope I answered your question more fully.

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Jan 3, 2018 16:06:01   #
saltwind 78
 
whiz666, Welcome to the zoo. I too am a liberal although not a Christian. I am a man of faith and am Jewish. People on this web sight love to mix politics and religion. Many are anti- Semetic and/or racist. I look forward to reading your posts.
whiz666 wrote:
I m not a self proclaimed expert, nor do I probably qualify as a "scholar", but I strongly believe these labels are quite useless if you can't think thing through or have a closed mind. Sadly most people seem to make their so-called decisions on a purely emotional level ignoring the reality around them. If you are so desperate to only accept things that support your position, whether it be political, religious, science or theory, then you probably should reconsider what you believe in.

I try to seriously challenge the claims of those who are in contradiction with what I understand, and truly cannot respect those who cannot explain how they reached their conclusions. All to often I find that even the most persistent, loudest, vehement or dismissive have made their claims based on an emotional decision, or worse are just echoing or parroting something they were told, overheard or read without actually weighing any options. Most of these people love the "debate", usually putting people down in the process, but actually just don't like to think things through on their own. Much like the so-called conservative evangelicals who promote the GOP's garbage because their pastor or priest told them what to believe; they don't bother with the effort to question, verify or consider what they are being told.

To avoid future surprises I am a white Christian fairly liberal progressive, although I may be considered contradictory to this claim at times (there are few absolutes in life with the exception of God).
I m not a self proclaimed expert, nor do I probabl... (show quote)

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