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Dec 4, 2017 17:07:17   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
Airforceone wrote:
You people are very sick. You could care less about this country. I knew the south had a tremendous amount of ignorance. But listening to you two is a disgrace to everything this country stands for. If this country could just dump Texas, LA. Alabama TN. And Mississippi we could run a balanced budget in a year. The ignorant south is what cost this country because you work cheap no state taxes and the rest of the country has to pick up the tab.

Southern ignorance is rampant now. Because not one of you people have read the Tax plan only because of one reason you’re to GD stupid to understand it. You wait for Fox to give you a talking point that actually makes you sound smart. You use words and have no idea what it means.

The takers in this country in the south now elect you’re Pedaphile
You people are very sick. You could care less abou... (show quote)



You are truly a liberal skank! And, by the way, Obama isn't up for any e******n.

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Dec 4, 2017 18:04:35   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
C****e Illinois can't even pay it's lotto winners!
Sanctuary C****efornia begging for federal aid, for water tubes, should forget about high speed rail and fix their dams.
Beaners don't need no stinkin hi spid trens!

ldsuttonjr wrote:
airfarcezero: You need to tone it down..... we will head North, East, and West to "Get You!"

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Dec 4, 2017 20:14:49   #
teabag09
 
In the way early 50's I cut my teeth on dog biscuits. Questioning my Mom she said to read the ingredients. Everything was good for you and they were less messy and cheaper that what was being offered at the time. I also ate the dry dog food when young as I liked the taste. I don't know about dog food today but back then it was actually good for you. To this day I don't howl at the moon but sometimes do howl at fire trucks. I also choose butter over the f**e stuff. Put both out for the birds and see what they will eat. Mike
bylm1 wrote:
I thought it was dog food, Son. My memory is getting a little fuzzy but I could have sworn it was dog food. Anyway, you are right on the rest. It won't change much. They think it's a "zero-sum game" and think that businesses are going to take the money they save and put it under their mattresses. Why would they want to invest it and make their businesses grow? They are such evil people, aren't they? Let's give tax cuts to the poor. Oh, wait, they don't pay taxes, do they? If only Milton Friedman was still around we could ask him.
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Dec 4, 2017 20:23:47   #
teabag09
 
Do some research before responding SF1. Q1. Which political party took Social Security from the independent trust fund and put it into the general fund so that Congress could spend it?

A1: There has never been any change in the way the Social Security program is financed or the way that Social Security payroll taxes are used by the federal government. The Social Security Trust Fund was created in 1939 as part of the Amendments enacted in that year. From its inception, the Trust Fund has always worked the same way. The Social Security Trust Fund has never been "put into the general fund of the government."

Most likely this question comes from a confusion between the financing of the Social Security program and the way the Social Security Trust Fund is treated in federal budget accounting. Starting in 1969 (due to action by the Johnson Administration in 1968) the t***sactions to the Trust Fund were included in what is known as the "unified budget." This means that every function of the federal government is included in a single budget. This is sometimes described by saying that the Social Security Trust Funds are "on-budget." This budget treatment of the Social Security Trust Fund continued until 1990 when the Trust Funds were again taken "off-budget." This means only that they are shown as a separate account in the federal budget. But whether the Trust Funds are "on-budget" or "off-budget" is primarily a question of accounting practices--it has no effect on the actual operations of the Trust Fund itself.



Q2: Which political party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A2: There was never any provision of law making the Social Security taxes paid by employees deductible for income tax purposes. In fact, the 1935 law expressly forbid this idea, in Section 803 of Title VIII.

(The text of Title VIII. can be found elsewhere on our website.)



Q3. Which political party started taxing Social Security annuities?

A3. The taxation of Social Security began in 1984 following passage of a set of Amendments in 1983, which were signed into law by President Reagan in April 1983. These amendments passed the Congress in 1983 on an overwhelmingly bi-partisan v**e.

The basic rule put in place was that up to 50% of Social Security benefits could be added to taxable income, if the taxpayer's total income exceeded certain thresholds.

The taxation of benefits was a proposal which came from the Greenspan Commission appointed by President Reagan and chaired by Alan Greenspan (who went on to later become the Chairman of the Federal Reserve).

The full text of the Greenspan Commission report is available on our website.

President's Reagan's signing statement for the 1983 Amendments can also be found on our website.

A detailed explanation of the provisions of the 1983 law is also available on the website.



Q4. Which political party increased the taxes on Social Security annuities?

A4. In 1993, legislation was enacted which had the effect of increasing the tax put in place under the 1983 law. It raised from 50% to 85% the portion of Social Security benefits subject to taxation; but the increased percentage only applied to "higher income" beneficiaries. Beneficiaries of modest incomes might still be subject to the 50% rate, or to no taxation at all, depending on their overall taxable income.

This change in the tax rate was one provision in a massive Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (OBRA) passed that year. The OBRA 1993 legislation was deadlocked in the Senate on a tie v**e of 50-50 and Vice President Al Gore cast the deciding v**e in favor of passage. President Clinton signed the bill into law on August 10, 1993.

(You can find a brief historical summary of the development of taxation of Social Security benefits on the Social Security website.)


Airforceone wrote:
No it was Ronald Reagan who put the social security funds into the general fund. He passed the tax increase. Actually Reagan raised taxes 11 times on the middle class.

That is pretty much a given not even the stupid on OPP disagree with that. Actually at the same time Reagan started taxing SS recipients how about that for apples. Not only increased the income tax he started taxing the elderly SS check. All to pay for his trickle down economics and increase the deficit by 365%.

I am just curious where did you come up with the democrats putting the SS funds in the general account that’s the first time I heard that. I have debated this for almost 4 years with the i***t right and not one has ever said that.
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Dec 4, 2017 20:29:44   #
teabag09
 
Hey Frostie, I noticed you CHERRYPICKED the same article I've posted. How convenient of you just to prove a point. As usual you have to prove to us what a low life you can be. MERRY CHRISTMAS and I hope the New Year will not be any better for you than this year with Mr. Trump being our President has been. Mike


quote=permafrost]Q5. Which political party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?

A5. Neither immigrants nor anyone else is able to collect Social Security benefits without someone paying Social Security payroll taxes into the system. The conditions under which Social Security benefits are payable, and to whom, can be found in the pamphlets available on our website.

The question confuses the Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program with Social Security. SSI is a federal welfare program and no contributions, from immigrants or citizens or anyone else, is required for eligibility. Under certain conditions, immigrants can qualify for SSI benefits. The SSI program was an initiative of the Nixon Administration and was signed into law by President Nixon on October 30, 1972.

An explanation of the basics of Social Security, and the distinction between Social Security and SSI, can be found on the Social Security website.[/quote]

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Dec 4, 2017 20:37:32   #
teabag09
 
I don't think he would know that he's wrong. Too brainwashed. And NO, with his way of thinking and attitude the AF, as lenient as they are, wouldn't accept him. Too many other lives at stake. Mike
ldsuttonjr wrote:
airfarceone: I think you enjoy being wrong all the time!

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Dec 4, 2017 20:42:05   #
teabag09
 
For a change you're right. It was actually $700 million. Again quit talking with you little head and let your big head take control once in a while. Mike
Airforceone wrote:
Nope

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Dec 4, 2017 21:46:20   #
sgtcharlestreadwayusmcr Loc: Chino Valley, Arizona
 
teabag09 wrote:
In the way early 50's I cut my teeth on dog biscuits. Questioning my Mom she said to read the ingredients. Everything was good for you and they were less messy and cheaper that what was being offered at the time. I also ate the dry dog food when young as I liked the taste. I don't know about dog food today but back then it was actually good for you. To this day I don't howl at the moon but sometimes do howl at fire trucks. I also choose butter over the f**e stuff. Put both out for the birds and see what they will eat. Mike
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I remember doing the same thing in 1952, there teabag09.
My mother use to melt the blocks of cheese wiz and we could dip the bones in it.
Of course it was my older brothers and sister that did that to us young-ungs.

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Dec 5, 2017 06:36:19   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Clinton was the one who did the paying taxes on SS. Gosh, we paid taxes on it once already, now we have to again. Wish both parties would have to try and live off it for a few years, and see how they like it.
I paid into it all my working years, and don't get much anyway, then no raises, while Odumbo was in office. The thing that upsets me is all these newscasters, both Repub, and democraps calling it an entitlement. Maybe it is for some, but I paid for mine, and would appreciate the government keeping their greedy paws off it.

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Dec 5, 2017 09:24:32   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
jSmitty45 wrote:
Clinton was the one who did the paying taxes on SS. Gosh, we paid taxes on it once already, now we have to again. Wish both parties would have to try and live off it for a few years, and see how they like it.
I paid into it all my working years, and don't get much anyway, then no raises, while Odumbo was in office. The thing that upsets me is all these newscasters, both Repub, and democraps calling it an entitlement. Maybe it is for some, but I paid for mine, and would appreciate the government keeping their greedy paws off it.
Clinton was the one who did the paying taxes on SS... (show quote)


You are exactly spot on Smitty! When we have these people whom we elect with expectations of doing the right things legislatively and the minute they become part of the establishment inside the beltway elitist crowd that goes right out the window. Once they have secured their golden parachute retirement at full salary even though they might only serve 2 or 6 years is a travesty! Then these buffoons actually have the temerity to call SS and 'entitlement' of which we have paid into the system our whole lives makes me sick.

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Dec 5, 2017 09:28:32   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Aw Jeeze, I knew the sky was going to fall today! Did you serve in the Air Force? BTW, could you source the op/ed you cut and pasted?


Lololol very good!!!

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Dec 5, 2017 09:29:32   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
son of witless wrote:
You left out that the ole geezers will have to eat cat food. If you do this do it right. Every left wing attack has to include the cat food fable. I have followed this stuff for years so I know the drill. How will you convince the young and the stupid with out the cat food story ?


No, that was the last 8years that ate cat food..

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Dec 5, 2017 09:34:08   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
mongo wrote:
You are truly a liberal skank! And, by the way, Obama isn't up for any e******n.


Don’t you love how they are already in meltdown over the bill, when the final form of the bill hasn’t even been v**ed on and we do not really know what it will be....

Chicken Little is having a field day!!!

I’ve asked one poster in here to identify what she’s bashing about the bill and guess what~~ silence, cracks me up..

They love to generalize but can never give facts that substantiated... kicken their own ass in clear view of all.. I love that...

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Dec 5, 2017 10:12:46   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
teabag09 wrote:
Hey Frostie, I noticed you CHERRYPICKED the same article I've posted. How convenient of you just to prove a point. As usual you have to prove to us what a low life you can be. MERRY CHRISTMAS and I hope the New Year will not be any better for you than this year with Mr. Trump being our President has been. Mike


quote=permafrost]Q5. Which political party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?

A5. Neither immigrants nor anyone else is able to collect Social Security benefits without someone paying Social Security payroll taxes into the system. The conditions under which Social Security benefits are payable, and to whom, can be found in the pamphlets available on our website.

The question confuses the Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program with Social Security. SSI is a federal welfare program and no contributions, from immigrants or citizens or anyone else, is required for eligibility. Under certain conditions, immigrants can qualify for SSI benefits. The SSI program was an initiative of the Nixon Administration and was signed into law by President Nixon on October 30, 1972.

An explanation of the basics of Social Security, and the distinction between Social Security and SSI, can be found on the Social Security website.
Hey Frostie, I noticed you CHERRYPICKED the same a... (show quote)
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Geez teabag,

I was going to give you an atta boy for a good post..

I did not post the whole thing, only the part which matched my point..

You guys are on my case when I post whole articles and on my case when I post nothing from any publication..

Now you are on my case when I post only the pertinent part of an article..

No matter what I post, you do n ot like it..

OK, fine, I can live with that..



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Dec 5, 2017 10:30:46   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
Thank you, you have just proved what we've been saying all the time, the law isn't applied to the dems!
Plus Clinton's problems don't go to jail they go to grave!
Thanks again c****e!

permafrost wrote:
Geez teabag,

I was going to give you an atta boy for a good post..

I did not post the whole thing, only the part which matched my point..

You guys are on my case when I post whole articles and on my case when I post nothing from any publication..

Now you are on my case when I post only the pertinent part of an article..

No matter what I post, you do n ot like it..

OK, fine, I can live with that..

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