The democrats and liberal republicans have decided to try to give amnesty to i******s.
What I want to know from the liberals republicans and democrats here is how does this help the unemployed and underemployed...not to mention the underpaid people that the democrats always say the represent?
In a time of extended and recently rising unemployment and wages in some jobs being pushed back to levels not seen since the early nineties how will adding 10+ million new legally empowered job seekers to the competition for scarce jobs and low wage jobs help the very people that the democrats say they are always out to help??
Come on now mr and mrs liberal democrat ..tell us how this helps with your vast understanding of economics and the market system of free people?
In my schooling in the basics of economics I was rightly told that if you have ten oranges and five hundred people with scurvy the price of those oranges would be high. If you had ten people and five hundred oranges the price would be low.Keeping that in mind ,how does adding millions of job seekers(and yes there will be millions more becasues they listen to what the press in this country is saying around the world and the amnesty talk has already increased the rate of people trying to illegally enter the country to get in before the amnesty goes into effect ...if it does) to an economy that can't employ those born or legally here already with a decent full time job at a decent wage help those on the bottom rung of societies earners?The democrat v**er.
you make out like this is a one party thing its not,this is one thing their doing together. and i do agree its the wrong thing to do.
the first five words of the post identify who wants this.
actually the whole reason it is being considered at all is because the baby boomers are set to retire...some already have...
The democrats want the i******s because 70% of hispanics v**ed for them and they make up the largest demogrphic of i******s.
The republicans that support this are either looking for some of that v**er support(mc cain in particular) or looking to drop wages even further so manufacturing company owners will financially support them for ree******n.
both see the looming baby bomers and know that they will either have to make hard choices politically in either reducing benefits of SS and medicare or increasing taxes on those still working...niether the democrats or republicans in office today want to face pissed off senoirs or pissed off working americans so they ignore the employers that report false ss security numbers(after all those benfits will never have to be paid) and look forward to 10+ million i******s adding to the revenue side of the equation with no current expences on the other side since the i******s are mostly under 40 years old and won't collect til the current crop of liars and t*****rs have retired from office or died in office.
The really sad part is none of this mentions the loss of the rule of law in the country.
one thing that would fix this whole mess our country is in now is stop the lobbiest from buying our elected officals,our debitest would surely stop going through the roof
oldroy
Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
roy wrote:
one thing that would fix this whole mess our country is in now is stop the lobbiest from buying our elected officals,our debitest would surely stop going through the roof
The major problem on this issue happens to be coming from establishment Republicans and Democrats. Both groups think they can "buy" some v**es by doing it.
This gang of 8 reminds me so much of the gang of 14 that worked to stop Republicans from using what they called the nuclear option back there in 02 or 03 whichever it was. The Congress accepted the gangs work without realizing what kind of people worked it out. Same thing is happening again.
roy and old roy...you notice how not a single major contributing liberal to this board wants to try and answer this....that's cause either their leadership is so much smarter then them and they don't comprehend their reasoning or they know the reasoning and can't bare to expose the people they hold in high esteem for the political hacks they are...
mr brady ...mr chard ...comon you two are smarter then your fearless leaders are'nt ya?
If you want me to comment ask nice.
oldroy
Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
stairman wrote:
roy and old roy...you notice how not a single major contributing liberal to this board wants to try and answer this....that's cause either their leadership is so much smarter then them and they don't comprehend their reasoning or they know the reasoning and can't bare to expose the people they hold in high esteem for the political hacks they are...
mr brady ...mr chard ...comon you two are smarter then your fearless leaders are'nt ya?
I think they will be more able to comment after hearing from those leaders at Stink Prog and other of their sites where they get their answers. Either they will be spreading their new found information or they will stay away completely. I don't see them staying away.
oldroy
Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
stairman wrote:
pretty please
Maybe Stink Prog will give that very order, but I don't think they will. They need these people to do their work for them.
Let me correct the mistakes you made
If you make i******s legal they will not be taking away jobs cause most work and do jobs Americans don't . When the recession 1st hit i******s left in droves because the were no jobs
There are no liberal republicans
I really don't care about it because it will make little difference Obama deported 400,000 a year more than twice what bush did but even so it would take 25 years to deport all illegal providing none come in. Or another words there always will be i******s doing jobs we don't want. Since you cant get rid of them You might as well get them on your side. That's why GOP supporting this now. They always knew this but they tricked you with fear tactics that i******s were going to destroy America and we need to get rid of every last one even thought they knew it was impossible Nw they need them more than you because what choice do you have. Your not v****g democrat are you.
mr brady you have no clue....i'm a construction professional that builds curved wood staircases for a living.It's a trade that takes a modicum of knowledge and still pays pretty darn well.But that is no longer the case for most other contruction jobs...and you democrats like to see the "little guy" make a decent living if i'm not mistaken...wages are either at or below what they were...excepting government paid jobs...20 years ago.And it isn't just because of the recession.
In 2005 at the top of the housing boom an illegal from mexico came up to me and asked why all you stair guys are making such good money(100k plus) and all the other carpenters are making s**t for wages(less then 35k).I told him and he didn't like it.
When I was a young man in the early 80s the guys doing his job were making 15 to 18 and the foreman on the crew was making 22 an hour....you could raise a family with a wife that got to stay home or work part time ...her choice of course....you could buy and pay for a middle class style home and even take a vacation once in a while and still save some for retirement.
Flash forward to the day the illegal asked me why(in his words) "all you gringoes are the only ones doing the stair work and making good money".(now I don't know about you but being called a grigo by an illegal is about the same as a white guy calling a black guy a n****r...didn't set well with me.)
so I told him what happened...eac suceeding wave of new i******s...and they were flooding across the border back then...out illegaled the last wave and drove wages in those trades down to in some cases minimum wage for back breaking semi sk**led labor.He was making less at his trade then the same tradesman were making doing that trade 25 years earlier.Everything had gone up in price by at least double during that time and he was making half.
so in effect he was making 25% of what people were making in the mid to early 80's...were the houses selling for the same ...hell no they were four times as expensive.
the vast quantities of cheap labor had driven wage DURING A BOOM TIME ...backwards!!!!
things in construction are worse now...wages are less and the projects I bid have to be bid at half or less of the profit I was making 6 years ago.I used to hire helpers and pay them 25$ an hour(good sk**led finish carpenters with a full set of tools and a birth certificate with USA on it).
so mr brady get a damn clue because the i******s they want to legalize today will still be living below 130% of the poverty line and you and your liberal friends will be giving them medical insurance food stamps and rent assistance to do it...if they kicked them all out wages would rise unemployment amoung americans in this field will drop and the deficits your party says they are so concerned (but are lying like dogs)about might actually go down if the housing market turns.
i dont know your talking about.. curved stairways are destoying america? you were rambling to the point you lost your point.. i******s only make up 3-5% ofthe work force you telling me this 3-5% destroy wages for evryone? not for me im an electrical enginner working in miltary electronics field.. but to your point.....since you said they are working now how does making them legal effect the equation? why you so angry at me? and feel the need to try and insult me.. i told you i dont care if they become legal im fine they stay illegal . i was pointing outthe reality of poltics.
my point is that all over america people that don't have first hand knowledge of what i******s have done to mid to lower middle class americans think giving i******s the legal ability to through family unification to triple or quadruple the low sk**l dependant labor force is a good thing...i'm telling you it isn't.
Not everyone went to college and they don't deserve to have their earning power destroyed so democrats can get elected and government workers have some one to enroll in social destruction programs
democrats are screwing the very people that v**e for them and most of them are either too stupid to know or like you mr brady to busy with their own life to care...as I said it hasn't effected me much because my sk**ls are in the top .5% of carpenters...it the others that i work near and see suffering from i*****l i*********n that i'm concerned about.....yes the i******s are working now and the government hasn't done a thing about it...giving amnesty will just make 20 million more cross the border and a country with out borders isn't a country.
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