straightUp Loc: California

You guys can't even make a case with stepping on your own toes. You just said their news leans left, then in the same breath you say they are falteringly unbiased. That's a contradiction in case you can't tell. Being unbiased means you don't "lean" in ANY direction.

As for the right leaning commentary, I have no problem with that. You have to expect some bias in commentary because commentary is opinion-based. News is supposed to be fact-based, so it's kind of stupid to suggest that right leaning commentary and left leaning news can somehow balance out - it's apples and oranges.

Finally, the suggestion that Fox "News" is left-leaning, really exposes your political position. Only a right-wing extremist could possibly view the "news" as reported by Fox as left-leaning.


I'm sure when the t***h is obvious to everyone but you, it must appear that the world is in lock-step. The sky is blue... lock-step. The sun rises in the east... lock-step. The reason why Fox carries a lot of topics the other's won't touch is because the others only cover things that can be proven... that's part of journalism. Again, Fox has a different objective... to enrage the audience and keep them coming back for more. There's a lot of unprovable material out there with the potential to enrage an audience. So yeah, that's all Fox.


LOL... alrighty then.

Actually, I never understood why conservatives flock to Fox when they have so many other sources with better integrity. Do you ever read the Wall Street Journal? It's one of my favorite conservative sources. I don't always like what I read but at least I know they aren't just making stuff up to hike their ratings. There are a LOT of smarter sources on the right JW, if you're settling for Fox you're c***ting yourself.

Owl32 Loc: ARK

I think for myself. I donot let others make my decision on what to believe or not believe. The 13 trillion dollars BO spent, where did it go, where did the funds paid back along with interest for Banks and Insurance companies go when it was returned, ? did it reduce the debt? Has any one's life improved other than Politicians?
CNN and NBC have no quality journalist anymore.

straightUp Loc: California

Good.


Ah, yes... The boring answers to all those questions don't suit your narrative. Well, there's always Fox to enrage you with suggestions of conspiracy.


I'm guessing that means they don't support the unfounded conspiracies that you folks so desperately want to be true. So I guess that means when you say you think for yourself, that means you already know what you want the story to be so it's just a matter of finding the lies that match.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Long on generalities, short on specifics. The story of Liberal life.

JW

[quote=straightUp]...You guys can't even make a case with(sic) stepping on your own toes. You just said their news leans left, then in the same breath you say they are falteringly unbiased. That's a contradiction in case you can't tell. Being unbiased means you don't "lean" in ANY direction.

Yup, I see the problem but it's not what you think. The concept was too subtle for you... but it explains a lot about how you interpret the world.

Now, to clear up the problem for you. The word, 'falter' means, among other things, to stumble. What I said was Fox news is stumblingly unbiased. That means they are for the most part fair in their reporting but that they inevitably find themselves stumbling to the left. See how that works. I turned a verb into a gerund and modified that into an adverb, applying it as an adjective.

I didn't say that Fox news was unbiased. I said it leans left. When Shep Smith, Fox's head of news, uses his air time to excoriate the President, he falters, stumbles, from news into the realm of opinion and he does it on a leftward bent during what is supposed to be his news broadcast. He is not the only newsperson who does that on the Fox network.


Finally, the suggestion that Fox "News" is left-leaning, really exposes your political position. Only a right-wing extremist could possibly view the "news" as reported by Fox as left-leaning.

Let's just say that when a person reads what he wants into other's comments, that person's bias shows. Perhaps, if you would try to keep your ego in check, you might be more open to understanding what people say to you... including in the news you consume.

The reason why Fox carries a lot of topics the other's won't touch is because the others only cover things that can be proven...

Which explains why they are constantly purveying 'news' attributed to 'unnamed sources'.

Actually, I never understood why conservatives flock to Fox when they have so many other sources with better integrity. Do you ever read the Wall Street Journal? It's one of my favorite conservative sources. I don't always like what I read but at least I know they aren't just making stuff up to hike their ratings. There are a LOT of smarter sources on the right JW, if you're settling for Fox you're c***ting yourself.

You like the Wall Street Journal, do you. Good for you. You are apparently not aware that the WSJ is an arm of the Fox family, owned lock, stock, and barrel by the Murdoch family and a frequent source cited by Fox news. (Now, I said frequent, not exclusive.)

You have two very obvious problems... well, three if we include your lack of facility with the English language. Your ego prevents you from challenging your own conclusions and the breadth of the information you allow yourself to experience is far too limited to lead to any valid conclusions.

In any case, I won't refer to you as an extremist. You are not extreme for the Left. In fact, you are unfortunately all too typical.

straightUp Loc: California

I bet you do LOL...


I guess for some people it takes a lot of special training before they can see what's pretty obvious to everyone else.

straightUp Loc: California

If you can't explain the specifics in less than a paragraph, just stick to generalities... Early lesson when dealing with right-wing bigots.

Abel

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I have no single source that I fully trust. Even those that are usually trustworthy sometimes get it wrong. It is up to me to decide the good or the bad!

I watch Fox News Sunday, CBS and NBC on Sunday morning. Fox would would be the better, CBS second and NBC (Stepinandfloponit, being a Rhodes Scholar would be the most C*******t oriented, although Raddatz would be a close second to him; basically in the class of Hanoi Jane Fonda and her Vietnam cohort John Kerry, IMO) third. I also watch Face the Nation and Washington Week sometimes. I watch "Off The Air," and do not have Satellite or CATV because I simply don't need 225+ channels of nothing worth watching, and they won't allow me to choose precisely which channels I want to pay for and view. I also record everything I watch so I can fast-forward through the commercials and wh**ever else I am not interested in. The catharsis of verbiage these "talking heads" can espouse about something they know so little about is absolutely astounding, and I think they all must have gone to the same class when it comes to trying to push their conservative victims, when they rarely have one, to say what they want them to say; fortunately some of these conservative guests are pretty damned good at standing on their principals and can hold their own against these "conversation pushers" and their hard driving ways; I really admire these guests for that ability and their guts, because they probably won't be asked to appear on that show ever again, and risk being radically misquoted and harassed by the Progressive toadies. The news programs are just a show, just entertainment, and they use this as a license to stretch the t***h, twist the t***h, confuse the issues, or flat out lie, wh**ever promotes their Progressive agenda; many times, IMHO, they are the intelligence arm of our enemies, domestic or foreign, trying valiantly to broadcast our military strategies to them by digging hard to get someone to slip and leak something that shouldn't be leaked, which is why these so-called news-anchors are so frustrated by President Trump playing his cards so close to his chest, as he should. They, and the public, do not have a "Need To Know" some things, particularly those things related to our Military operations! LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS!

During the week I usually watch PBS Evening News because they have fewer commercial interruptions, although they are mostly liberal extremists, but one should observe the wrong point of view as well as the right point of view so you get some idea of how they think. If you don't know your enemies, you will have a lot more trouble stopping them. Some so-called news programs look like a string of commercials occasionally interrupted by a few news sound bites (unless it's BROKEN NEWS,where they go on forever telling you everything they don't know and what they might tell you when, and if, they ever find out, stay tuned!), the weather guesser, and the last half the program ends up being sports crap that I'm not interested in, but someone must be. I can usually get through a 30-minute local news program, usually Fox, in about 10 minutes.

I read from a number of political sites on the internet as well. I listen to Talk Radio when I can. I like Hillsdale College Imprimis news as well as their love for the Constitution and their lack of funding with its consequent influence from the government. They are a REAL education, and they also have a lot of free on-line educational courses covering the Constitution and how the government should work rather than how it has been screwing things up for decades, starting about the time of Woodrow Wilson, our first, but not only, C*******t President. This is good, mentally healthful, free education folks, and not the "submissive subterfuge to create a socialist utopian fiasco that the Progressives are teaching in our left tilted public schools, K to 12 and UP nowadays! Most Universities and the DoEd, being nearly pure socialism, make me absolutely ill! Hopefully, President Trump will get some of this farce straightened out relatively soon, if he can survive the Progressive C*******t onslaught and their agitprop against him and the country in general. I don't frequent Social Media, but here's a TOAST to the POTUS! If you want to tweet go right ahead, but be careful, and don't let the bastards wear you down!

I watch local news for local happenings, although they are usually extremely liberal and I have to take most of them with a CUP of salt, and I listen to Michael Savage when I can find him, but I usually have to read him on the internet since my local AM radio station became more liberal, and Mark Levin when I can. They both tell it like it is, and they've written some excellent books.

Of course, I filter all the so-called "news programs," which are sometimes not very new, through my own mental BS filter that has been forged through my formal education of two degrees, many other educational courses, and the school of hard knocks. What finally pops out of my BS filter is what I tend to believe, but at my advanced age, I also reserve the right to believe it or not, and to change my mind if I think someone else has a better idea. One better idea is a Photographic V****g ID to help curb fraudulent v****g, which has been with us for a long time but is getting Progressively worse (pardon the pun), even if it takes a little more effort and money to register. Only about four percent of those who would be eligible to v**e, if they were otherwise truly legally eligible to register, will have any real trouble registering, and that percentage is statistically irrelevant. If your country isn't worth that little effort, and the Democratic imposed taxes it takes to properly and legally register, and then to actually get out and v**e, you're in the wrong country. Most any US citizen that I know is ready and willing to give someone with an honest need a "hand UP" to relieve their situation or get them out of a bind if they are trying to help themselves and can't, but it is certainly not my goal to give a "hand OUT" to every lazy bastard who could work and pay their taxes but elects to v**e for a Progressive living and collect benefits from the government without putting forth any effort on their own, especially if that bastard is an i*****l a***n and a felon that should be either deported or incarcerated, because they are robbing this country and the taxpayers that support it!

I am a Conservative "Anti-Socialist/Anti-Progressive/Anti-C*******t" Patriot of the United States of America, and an Independent V**er. I am not a "hyphenated American," I'm a US citizen! One should support the country in which they live, or go to another country that they can support! I SUPPORT my country (but just my USA rather than all of the other 33 "Americas" on the two American continents), my USA F**g, my USA National Anthem, the USA's borders, language, and culture, I speak and read English (thanks to my fellow Veterans), and although he should have said 'Make The USA Great Again!,' President Trump! Hell, I even stand up and salute the f**g when they play the National Anthem, and the playing of Taps usually brings a tear to my eye for those who gave their all to protect our Freedom and Constitution! I cannot stand commercial sports and haven't watched any for over 50 years in person or on TV, not because I'm boycotting it, not because some ignorant super-pooper prick of a so-called "professional" athlete and his cohorts disrespected the f**g of my country to promote some petty political grievance, I'm just plain not interested in their Progressive distractions and cartoon shows or even their movies Hollyweed puts out trying to brainwash the sheeple to their C*******t ways. I also know the difference between "Made in USA" and "Made in America," and try valiantly to "Buy USA" if at all possible; and I know the difference between "Immigrant" and "Migrant," as well as the minute difference between an "I*****l I*******t" and an "I*****l A***n!" There is only one group of Immigrants that I can think of that is illegal, and those Immigrants are the ones that have to lie when they take the Oath of Allegiance to the USA due to their religious beliefs that are not compatible with culture of the United States of America, but unlike the I*****l A***ns, they did at least pass through our immigration procedures and have documents to prove it, even though they lied to get them! Neither should be in this country! All US citizens should know this, but they apparently don't, likely because of the "Rules for Radicals" disruptive confusion tactics of the Progressives, along with their i***tology of Political Correctness, which is truly a C*******t mental disorder and a tactic used to control the thoughts and speech of the masses that are contrary to the i***tology of the tyrant in power.

Well, you asked, so I thought I would give you some of my reasons as well. Have a nice day.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Thanks

straightUp Loc: California

Ha, ha... you're so confused. First of all, a gerund is a noun derived from a verb... You are using the word "stumblingly" as an adverb, not as a noun OR an adjective. But at least you spelled gerund right, so that's good. LOL

As for the stumbling to the left... what you're seeing there is a faltering with the facts. Fox will typically say something outrageous to grab the attention of their audience. Sometimes it's not entirely true and what follows is this reconciliation with the facts as other sources discover them. I'm sure the process looks like a stumbling to the left because facts usually do conflict with right-wing delusions.


Yes, you did. You said... "They are falteringly unbiased".


Well, it takes a extremist NOT to excoriate the current president. Maybe you need to find a more extreme source of "news".


Aw... are we throwing wild punches now?


That's not a problem for people like me who question every source.


WSJ is owned by Dow Jones, which is a subsidiary of NewsCorp, which Murdoch has controlling interest in.... I am very aware of that. What, I find interesting is how you make the unfounded assumption that I didn't know... and beyond that, you said it's apparent. All I said is that the WSJ is one of my favorite conservative papers... How is that making my awareness of who owns the WSJ apparent?

Oh, I know... I keep forgetting how subjective you people are... You think because the WSJ is owned by the same people who own Fox News that I can't possibly appreciate one while being critical of the other. It's that tribal thing, isn't it? Sorry to disappoint you but I'm too objective for that crap.


Says the guy who thinks he converted a verb into a gerund and modified that into an adverb and applied it as an adjective to describe an adjective. LOL


Well, if unfounded insults is all you have left - I'm gonna say we're done.


Oh... and an unintended compliment. So, should I thank you or will that only piss you off?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"The reason why Fox carries a lot of topics the other's won't touch is because the others only cover things that can be proven... that's part of journalism. Again, Fox has a different objective... to enrage the audience and keep them coming back for more. There's a lot of unprovable material out there with the potential to enrage an audience. So yeah, that's all Fox." - straightUp

sUp; you actually wrote that, and expect intelligent people to consider you credible????

I watch CNN and MSNBC a bit, The Democrat's propaganda "networks"; to watch the BS they are pushing.

The alternative media is where the t***h can be found; but it does take discernment.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Non censored news and commentary:
Republic Broadcasting Network: http://republicbroadcasting.org/
For those that can handle the t***h; RBN Live ONLINE!

Loki Loc: Georgia

If you can't explain specifics because you have none to offer, you call Conservatives bigots. Typical self-righteous Liberal horse puckey.

PeterS

Fox is opinion news mixed with a dash of t***h. It was created to serve people who prefer the subjective over the objective; who believe their opinions are already true so anything that meets with anything close to their opinions is automatically believed to be true--negative opinions reserved for liberals and positive opinions for conservatives like themselves.

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

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