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Oct 12, 2017 11:05:16   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
plainlogic wrote:
Don't you feel funny being in denial perm? You should seek some meds!


He doesn't seem to realize that the jig is up. Character assassination will not work. He's not alone. The left, Dems and Establishment Republicans don't seem to realize that we know what is happening with the media, globalism, the Dems, Establishment Washington and Hollywood.

We're acutely aware that the hag violated federal law simply by setting up her private server whether she knew it was wrong or not...which is a ridiculous argument, since no one is fool enough to believe she didn't know exactly what she was doing.

We're acutely aware that deleting subpoenaed emails, destroying Blackberrys and bleaching hard drives are federal offenses.

We're acutely aware that Bill's little tryst with Lo-retta on the tarmac wasn't about grandkids and should have been investigated.

We're acutely aware that everything Comey did needs to be investigated.

We're acutely aware that Muller's investigation was began by Comey over a falsified "dossier", and we're aware that the i***t dossier is still the basis of the investigation.

We're acutely aware that Sessions has no intention of investigating anyone in Washington and is using i*****l i*********n as a distraction from that fact. "See! Look at me! I'm chasing down i*****l i*******t gang members! I ain't doin' not one damn thing else, but we won't talk about that."

We're acutely aware that the global Establishment is unhappy with the American people for the choice they made in the last e******n.

We're acutely aware that the media is an organ of the Democrat party.

What will they say when they lose even more ground in 2018?

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Oct 12, 2017 11:26:43   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
BigMike wrote:
He doesn't seem to realize that the jig is up. Character assassination will not work. He's not alone. The left, Dems and Establishment Republicans don't seem to realize that we know what is happening with the media, globalism, the Dems, Establishment Washington and Hollywood.

We're acutely aware that the hag violated federal law simply by setting up her private server whether she knew it was wrong or not...which is a ridiculous argument, since no one is fool enough to believe she didn't know exactly what she was doing.

We're acutely aware that deleting subpoenaed emails, destroying Blackberrys and bleaching hard drives are federal offenses.

We're acutely aware that Bill's little tryst with Lo-retta on the tarmac wasn't about grandkids and should have been investigated.

We're acutely aware that everything Comey did needs to be investigated.

We're acutely aware that Muller's investigation was began by Comey over a falsified "dossier", and we're aware that the i***t dossier is still the basis of the investigation.

We're acutely aware that Sessions has no intention of investigating anyone in Washington and is using i*****l i*********n as a distraction from that fact. "See! Look at me! I'm chasing down i*****l i*******t gang members! I ain't doin' not one damn thing else, but we won't talk about that."

We're acutely aware that the global Establishment is unhappy with the American people for the choice they made in the last e******n.

We're acutely aware that the media is an organ of the Democrat party.

What will they say when they lose even more ground in 2018?
He doesn't seem to realize that the jig is up. Cha... (show quote)




Hillary Clinton's emails are the gift that keeps on giving, if you like a constant flow of escalating ridiculous conspiracy theories from the minds of her opponents.

During last night's debate and on at least three occasions prior, Republican candidate Donald Trump referred to Clinton's email scandal. Between those occasions he referred to the special process by which she deleted over 30,000 emails as "acid washing", and then bleaching.

Most of the time when you want to securely erase the contents of a hard drive, you overwrite the entire disc, heat it beyond functionality, and then smash it into a thousand pieces. Done. Of course, if you're pulling off an elaborate conspiracy, as Trump has suggested, you'd want to make it look like there were never any emails. That's why this mysterious process is so captivating, especially when he tosses out anecdotes like, "And Rudy was telling me, nobody does it because it's such an expensive process."

(Let us note right now that none of this is coming from the FBI, any investigators into the email scandal, or (from what we've uncovered) anyone with a cybersecurity background. It's all Trump and his golf buddy, Rudy Giuliani.)

So what the hell did Trump mean by acid washing? Or bleaching? It's not really clear. Putting aside the conspiracy concept of a private, clandestine company that comes in and "acid washes" hard drives for the government and charges them for the service, we tried to identify methods and products that he might have maybe been referring to.

The factcheck.org team mentioned BleachBit, a hard drive clearing tool meant to clear caches and ghost files lingering in unused spaces even after you've technically "deleted" them entirely.

But that doesn't cost tens of thousands of dollars—in fact it's technically free, like AdBlock requires an "optional" donation. And while this (totally not secret) software was reportedly used by Clinton's staff, BleachBit doesn't do anything special. Most computers have built-in technology for overwriting those files in "free space" securely, and using the pre-installed software comes with the benefit of not looking like you installed BleachBit to delete records of important files.

Maybe, based on his understanding of the cyber, Trump thought acid washing was a real, chemical process? His camp allegedly denied that to the folks at Fact Check, but it stands to reason that something like this might have come to mind while he was using the phrase "acid washing" here:

But aside from the cost of chemicals, this seems like something you can do in your backyard, garage, or windowless basement, without really leaving any proof behind—or any hard drives for that matter. So again, not a difficult or expensive process.

Maybe there is an elite cybersystems destruction method out there to which Rudy Giuliani is privy, which Clinton was able to pay for without making a record, and which Trump has now brought into the spotlight.

But the simplest answer is that Donald Trump was using a lexicon familiar to him to describe an unfamiliar process. A hotel owner understands the cleaning power of bleach. A Man in his 70s knows exactly what acid washing does to fabric and probably assumes it has the same effect on data. The fact that acid wash is again relevant in 2016 should be a separate and perhaps more alarming cause for concern.

If Democratic p**********l candidate Hillary Clinton has any acid washing in her past, it's probably in a part of her closet untouched since the 1980s, and we definitely hope they never find that.

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Oct 12, 2017 11:30:23   #
Mikeyavelli
 
BigMike wrote:
He doesn't seem to realize that the jig is up. Character assassination will not work. He's not alone. The left, Dems and Establishment Republicans don't seem to realize that we know what is happening with the media, globalism, the Dems, Establishment Washington and Hollywood.

We're acutely aware that the hag violated federal law simply by setting up her private server whether she knew it was wrong or not...which is a ridiculous argument, since no one is fool enough to believe she didn't know exactly what she was doing.

We're acutely aware that deleting subpoenaed emails, destroying Blackberrys and bleaching hard drives are federal offenses.

We're acutely aware that Bill's little tryst with Lo-retta on the tarmac wasn't about grandkids and should have been investigated.

We're acutely aware that everything Comey did needs to be investigated.

We're acutely aware that Muller's investigation was began by Comey over a falsified "dossier", and we're aware that the i***t dossier is still the basis of the investigation.

We're acutely aware that Sessions has no intention of investigating anyone in Washington and is using i*****l i*********n as a distraction from that fact. "See! Look at me! I'm chasing down i*****l i*******t gang members! I ain't doin' not one damn thing else, but we won't talk about that."

We're acutely aware that the global Establishment is unhappy with the American people for the choice they made in the last e******n.

We're acutely aware that the media is an organ of the Democrat party.

What will they say when they lose even more ground in 2018?
He doesn't seem to realize that the jig is up. Cha... (show quote)

Bravo 👍, but you know, like Jeffrey Beauregard Sessions, nobody will do anything about it. Obama is still in power.

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Oct 12, 2017 11:57:04   #
Abel
 
Then YOU investigate it, at your expense rather than depending on the government taxpayers, since you obviously don't trust anyone else to do it correctly. Me? I think it has had sufficient attention, the dead horse has no further manure to beat out of it, and the subject needs to be laid to rest. If YOU ever find anything that YOU absolutely consider an INDISPUTABLE FACT, then let us know. I won't be holding my breath however.

It really doesn't matter much anyway since Russia doesn't hack our computers any more than we hack theirs. It is just spy vs spy, which has been going on for many decades, probably centuries, and it will continue for decades to come. It's not just here in the USA, or in Russia, it is worldwide. It is just what politically actuve countries do for a pastime to "keep their country informed and safe" from each other. They all do it to the greatest extent they have the ability to do it! Some are better or more advanced than others, and "technology," despite all it's wonderful conveniences, will probably be the death of us all. It is up to each country to stay ahead of the hackers, whoever they may be, if they wish to keep secrets, and they all do. As to keeping secrets, and considering human nature with its weakness of confidentiality being for sale to the highest bidder or the ego of someone "needing" to brag about something, hacking is probably a waste of time anyway; the only sure way to keep a secret is having it only between two people, and one of those two being k**led before it can be recorded somewhere! Give it a rest!

nwtk2007 wrote:
I want it investigated to the nth degree! Leave no stone unturned!!

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Oct 12, 2017 13:35:00   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Bravo 👍, but you know, like Jeffrey Beauregard Sessions, nobody will do anything about it. Obama is still in power.


No one in Washington will do anything about it. We are a different story.

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Oct 12, 2017 15:12:06   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
BigMike wrote:
Or Israeli law...or French law...or whoever else's law he may have violated...or how many other countries are doing the same thing in the name of globalism.


I guess it's fine as long as it works to benefit democrats!

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Oct 12, 2017 15:15:46   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Abel wrote:
Then YOU investigate it, at your expense rather than depending on the government taxpayers, since you obviously don't trust anyone else to do it correctly. Me? I think it has had sufficient attention, the dead horse has no further manure to beat out of it, and the subject needs to be laid to rest. If YOU ever find anything that YOU absolutely consider an INDISPUTABLE FACT, then let us know. I won't be holding my breath however.

It really doesn't matter much anyway since Russia doesn't hack our computers any more than we hack theirs. It is just spy vs spy, which has been going on for many decades, probably centuries, and it will continue for decades to come. It's not just here in the USA, or in Russia, it is worldwide. It is just what politically actuve countries do for a pastime to "keep their country informed and safe" from each other. They all do it to the greatest extent they have the ability to do it! Some are better or more advanced than others, and "technology," despite all it's wonderful conveniences, will probably be the death of us all. It is up to each country to stay ahead of the hackers, whoever they may be, if they wish to keep secrets, and they all do. As to keeping secrets, and considering human nature with its weakness of confidentiality being for sale to the highest bidder or the ego of someone "needing" to brag about something, hacking is probably a waste of time anyway; the only sure way to keep a secret is having it only between two people, and one of those two being k**led before it can be recorded somewhere! Give it a rest!
Then YOU investigate it, at your expense rather th... (show quote)


Tell me something I don't know Abel. The reason I want it investigated to the nth degree is that it will uncover the left/democratic involvement and eventually give us what we want, proof of democratic corruption as well as the corruption of some GOP'ers. It'll draw in everyone from Clinton to Obama to Comey. This one needs to go all the way.

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Oct 12, 2017 15:22:26   #
Mikeyavelli
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Tell me something I don't know Abel. The reason I want it investigated to the nth degree is that it will uncover the left/democratic involvement and eventually give us what we want, proof of democratic corruption as well as the corruption of some GOP'ers. It'll draw in everyone from Clinton to Obama to Comey. This one needs to go all the way.

There are no investigations. Mueller is not investigating anything. He's building a phony case to remove Trump from office.
There certainly won't be any investigation of illiar or obama or any democrat.
All of Washington DC is prosecuting Trump and protecting illiar and obama.

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Oct 12, 2017 16:32:07   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Tell me something I don't know Abel. The reason I want it investigated to the nth degree is that it will uncover the left/democratic involvement and eventually give us what we want, proof of democratic corruption as well as the corruption of some GOP'ers. It'll draw in everyone from Clinton to Obama to Comey. This one needs to go all the way.


Sessions is doing his damnedest to see that doesn't happen! That man needs to resign!

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Oct 12, 2017 16:48:45   #
Mikeyavelli
 
BigMike wrote:
Sessions is doing his damnedest to see that doesn't happen! That man needs to resign!


Yep, Sessions is Atty General and who's getting investigated? Trump!
I suppose that in Washington DC it's so much easier to go after Trump than go after obama or Illiar or Podesta or Pizzagate. Nah, Trump's easier and you are well liked in Washington DC if you h**e Trump.

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Oct 12, 2017 18:07:01   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Yep, Sessions is Atty General and who's getting investigated? Trump!
I suppose that in Washington DC it's so much easier to go after Trump than go after obama or Illiar or Podesta or Pizzagate. Nah, Trump's easier and you are well liked in Washington DC if you h**e Trump.


You can bet, that day on the tarmac, Billy-boy reminded Lo-retta Lynch how much dirt he has accumulated on most of Washington over the years. I'm sure the upshot was, "Lo-retta! If the Hag...I mean Hillary goes down, she ain't goin' down alone."

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Oct 12, 2017 18:13:22   #
Mikeyavelli
 
BigMike wrote:
You can bet, that day on the tarmac, Billy-boy reminded Lo-retta Lynch how much dirt he has accumulated on most of Washington over the years. I'm sure the upshot was, "Lo-retta! If the Hag...I mean Hillary goes down, she ain't goin' down alone."

Yep, not even the e******n of Trump can bring them down. They are still in power.

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Oct 12, 2017 18:19:49   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Yep, not even the e******n of Trump can bring them down. They are still in power.


You didn't think this was gonna be easy, did you? I doubt you did. It's not gonna be short either. We've won a few battles, but if we don't want to be a milk cow for the world government the Establishment is hoping to surrender our national sovereignty to, we'd better keep it up. Trump is showing what pushback looks like. We need to help him, at home and in 2018.

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Oct 12, 2017 18:27:01   #
Mikeyavelli
 
BigMike wrote:
You didn't think this was gonna be easy, did you? I doubt you did. It's not gonna be short either. We've won a few battles, but if we don't want to be a milk cow for the world government the Establishment is hoping to surrender our national sovereignty to, we'd better keep it up. Trump is showing what pushback looks like. We need to help him, at home and in 2018.

You're right, I support Trump all I can, but I'm not in a position to really get things done. I do write to Trump with warnings and encouragement.
Sometimes I get a thank you form letter, signed though.
I'm ready to kick lefty ass.

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Oct 12, 2017 18:28:07   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
permafrost wrote:
Hillary Clinton's emails are the gift that keeps on giving, if you like a constant flow of escalating ridiculous conspiracy theories from the minds of her opponents.

During last night's debate and on at least three occasions prior, Republican candidate Donald Trump referred to Clinton's email scandal. Between those occasions he referred to the special process by which she deleted over 30,000 emails as "acid washing", and then bleaching.

Most of the time when you want to securely erase the contents of a hard drive, you overwrite the entire disc, heat it beyond functionality, and then smash it into a thousand pieces. Done. Of course, if you're pulling off an elaborate conspiracy, as Trump has suggested, you'd want to make it look like there were never any emails. That's why this mysterious process is so captivating, especially when he tosses out anecdotes like, "And Rudy was telling me, nobody does it because it's such an expensive process."

(Let us note right now that none of this is coming from the FBI, any investigators into the email scandal, or (from what we've uncovered) anyone with a cybersecurity background. It's all Trump and his golf buddy, Rudy Giuliani.)

So what the hell did Trump mean by acid washing? Or bleaching? It's not really clear. Putting aside the conspiracy concept of a private, clandestine company that comes in and "acid washes" hard drives for the government and charges them for the service, we tried to identify methods and products that he might have maybe been referring to.

The factcheck.org team mentioned BleachBit, a hard drive clearing tool meant to clear caches and ghost files lingering in unused spaces even after you've technically "deleted" them entirely.

But that doesn't cost tens of thousands of dollars—in fact it's technically free, like AdBlock requires an "optional" donation. And while this (totally not secret) software was reportedly used by Clinton's staff, BleachBit doesn't do anything special. Most computers have built-in technology for overwriting those files in "free space" securely, and using the pre-installed software comes with the benefit of not looking like you installed BleachBit to delete records of important files.

Maybe, based on his understanding of the cyber, Trump thought acid washing was a real, chemical process? His camp allegedly denied that to the folks at Fact Check, but it stands to reason that something like this might have come to mind while he was using the phrase "acid washing" here:

But aside from the cost of chemicals, this seems like something you can do in your backyard, garage, or windowless basement, without really leaving any proof behind—or any hard drives for that matter. So again, not a difficult or expensive process.

Maybe there is an elite cybersystems destruction method out there to which Rudy Giuliani is privy, which Clinton was able to pay for without making a record, and which Trump has now brought into the spotlight.

But the simplest answer is that Donald Trump was using a lexicon familiar to him to describe an unfamiliar process. A hotel owner understands the cleaning power of bleach. A Man in his 70s knows exactly what acid washing does to fabric and probably assumes it has the same effect on data. The fact that acid wash is again relevant in 2016 should be a separate and perhaps more alarming cause for concern.

If Democratic p**********l candidate Hillary Clinton has any acid washing in her past, it's probably in a part of her closet untouched since the 1980s, and we definitely hope they never find that.
Hillary Clinton's emails are the gift that keeps o... (show quote)


Um...the process of destroying subpoenaed items or information by a public official is more serious than if it had been done by a private individual, and isn't as important as the fact it was done.

Trump's understanding of the process is even less important. Why do you bring it up?

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