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Feb 26, 2014 05:59:11   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Here's an example of being blind to the obvious.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/26/business/us-orders-tests-on-oil-shipments.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20140226

Rather than focusing on WHY these trains keep derailing, they've spent their time worrying about how the rail cars react once broken. That's like making sure your seat belt is on - because you intend to drive drunk. You know you're going to crash so you're trying to give yourself the best chance of surviving it.

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Feb 26, 2014 09:15:24   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Here's an example of being blind to the obvious.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/26/business/us-orders-tests-on-oil-shipments.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20140226

Rather than focusing on WHY these trains keep derailing, they've spent their time worrying about how the rail cars react once broken. That's like making sure your seat belt is on - because you intend to drive drunk. You know you're going to crash so you're trying to give yourself the best chance of surviving it.
Here's an example of being blind to the obvious. b... (show quote)

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What you would go for is SOLUTION TO DERAILING. What the PTB go for is LONG TERM EMPLOYMENT. :hunf: :wink:

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Feb 26, 2014 09:19:04   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Here in Coos Bay we ship out chips and Logs by ship. Throughout the process of loading
these ships are balance tested to ensure they won't capsize at sea. These ships are specifically designed for the loads they carry. Tank cars have been used as long as I remember. Perhaps a redesign of tank cars is neccesary to keep liquid from sloshing around and putting the car off ballance. Also slow speed of no more than 20mph would help.
lpnmajor wrote:
Here's an example of being blind to the obvious.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/26/business/us-orders-tests-on-oil-shipments.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20140226

Rather than focusing on WHY these trains keep derailing, they've spent their time worrying about how the rail cars react once broken. That's like making sure your seat belt is on - because you intend to drive drunk. You know you're going to crash so you're trying to give yourself the best chance of surviving it.
Here's an example of being blind to the obvious. b... (show quote)

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Feb 26, 2014 14:06:17   #
Kevyn
 
Actualy the product the cars are carrying is more flammable with a lower flash point than what they were used for in the past, there is also a great increase in the volume of oil t***sported by rail. You just need to accept that some towns are going to be incinerated and some rivers will be choked with oil. We never want to put any regulations on industry or t***sportation it just hampers the free market. The health and safety of American family's are just the price we have to pay for corporate freedom.

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Feb 26, 2014 14:09:59   #
bobgssc
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Here's an example of being blind to the obvious.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/26/business/us-orders-tests-on-oil-shipments.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20140226

Rather than focusing on WHY these trains keep derailing, they've spent their time worrying about how the rail cars react once broken. That's like making sure your seat belt is on - because you intend to drive drunk. You know you're going to crash so you're trying to give yourself the best chance of surviving it.
Here's an example of being blind to the obvious. b... (show quote)


Unfortunately, many times cars derail because of operator error, such as taking a 30 mph turn at 83 mph recently. You simply can't fix that unless you have the trains run by non-human intervention. While you are correct that they should worry about how to stop trains from derailing, figuring out how to make the cars withstand derailment is also a valid study. IMHO

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Feb 26, 2014 16:40:56   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
bobgssc wrote:
Unfortunately, many times cars derail because of operator error, such as taking a 30 mph turn at 83 mph recently. You simply can't fix that unless you have the trains run by non-human intervention. While you are correct that they should worry about how to stop trains from derailing, figuring out how to make the cars withstand derailment is also a valid study. IMHO


The technology has existed for years that would; give engineers real time info of track conditions miles ahead, slow trains automatically if it exceeds safe speeds according to track conditions, stop trains if no operator is present and monitor car conditions while in motion. All or any of these would have prevented the recent derailments. These things have not been mandated because; it is expensive and rail operators are unwilling to bear the costs, different companies use the same rail lines and numerous companies use/own a rail line along it's length.

Notice that "voluntary" is the language used. The railroad commission has become a toothless old women and if they haven't the authority to deal with this, the whole thing needs to be deleted saving that tax money.

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Feb 27, 2014 21:34:17   #
saveamerica Loc: Texas
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Here's an example of being blind to the obvious.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/26/business/us-orders-tests-on-oil-shipments.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20140226

Rather than focusing on WHY these trains keep derailing, they've spent their time worrying about how the rail cars react once broken. That's like making sure your seat belt is on - because you intend to drive drunk. You know you're going to crash so you're trying to give yourself the best chance of surviving it.
Here's an example of being blind to the obvious. b... (show quote)




Hi Ipnmajor, you have two problems with rail derailments. One is, the Northeast, the environmentalist are causing the train derailments due to Keystone oil being ship by rail, they are trying hard to stop it. The bad part is, Obama and Holder knows who is responsible for these acts but, do nothing about it. Second is, we also have terrorist doing derailments. Haven't you notice all the food contamination going on in the U.S.? They say it was hogs, it was chickens, it's from animals crapping and piss. The USDA blames everything but what is really going on. It's the Muslims that are contaminating our food, just like them trying to contaminating our water, they are very active and one day they will put something in our and water to k**l as many as they can. Why do you think the News Media and our government are not talking about it. It's very easy to do and no one is guarding it. Try it yourself, you can walk up to any farm at night and do what ever.

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