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Oct 20, 2017 16:16:50   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Big Bass wrote:
Yes, we all should. Drain the swamp! I think most are aware that both sides are involved in corruption. Too many politicians get into politics for all the wrong reasons.

I certainly sympathize with that feeling.

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Oct 20, 2017 16:21:25   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
" So if there is a specific point that Lou Dobb's is making, then tell me what it is and I will read what he has to say about it. If it's just broad stroke accusations about how the left is dishonest (or wh**ever you're stereotypical gripe is) I really can't be bothered." - sUp

Don't be bothered, sUp.
Just quit spreading BS, without doing some research.
You can keep your ear muffs and blinders on, but others are not wearing them.
https://youtu.be/QAfvMeMInR4

A new URL;
Go back to the beginning.
https://youtu.be/yDjGodxc8B0

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Oct 20, 2017 16:33:16   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
" So if there is a specific point that Lou Dobb's is making, then tell me what it is and I will read what he has to say about it. If it's just broad stroke accusations about how the left is dishonest (or wh**ever you're stereotypical gripe is) I really can't be bothered." - sUp

Don't be bothered, sUp.

OK... so just broad accusations - got it.

eagleye13 wrote:

Just quit spreading BS, without doing some research.

What BS?

eagleye13 wrote:

You can keep your ear muffs and blinders on, but others are not wearing them.
https://youtu.be/QAfvMeMInR4

Just because a person doesn't fall for your BS, doesn't mean they're wearing ear muffs and blinders.

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Oct 20, 2017 17:02:21   #
Steve700
 
straightUp wrote:
Oh, I see... so it's because he claimed to read Hillary's mind and that's how he determined that it wasn't Hillary's *intention* to use a private e-mail server, which is the ONLY thing that's been proven.

LOL.

As usual, you don't know what you're talking about. They know that she deliberately Erased 30,000 emails that had been SUBPOENAED, which that alone, anybody else would be in prison for. The deep state and our shadow government is more powerful than the presidents and they protect their own (the liberals/g*******ts) or Hillary, Obama, Eric Holder and others would have suffered the death sentence for treason. BE SURE To SEE The VIDEO At The END Of This POST That You Ignored Before

You just can't help being an i***t, can you? The only thing there wasn't concrete evidence about is what was in those emails. (Lots of evidence indicate, for one thing, that Ben Ghazi was probably an Obama administration implicated plot to take Amb. Stevens as a hostage in order to make a big hero out of Obama just before the e******n by getting him back by trading the blind Sheikh for him. What her not being indicted proves is how the left-wing deep state shadow government protects its own. That crazy corrupt b***h should be in jail and you damn well know it. Those 30,000 emails that had been SUBPOENAED is only the very beginning. But of course you don't give a damn because like every other liberal the ends justify the means when it comes to the acquisition of power by the left.

Your mind has been being molded and your opinions manipulated by the deceitful deliberately slanderous left wing f**e news organizations that are no different than 'Provda' of old Soviet Russia. Take a listen to this video and you will see and hear one of CNN's top executive state that the Russian collusion delusion thing is all bull s**t, but it sure is good for ratings. Go ahead and watch this video and see Many other examples also that indicate the extent to which you are constantly being lied to in order to dumb you down and believe Marxist propaganda:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXWOKJtdjRI (7 minutes)
.

I said use the link just above to see the video that will enable you to understand how you been made crazy by being constantly lied to, having your mind molded and your opinions manipulated
I said use the link just above to see the video th...

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Oct 20, 2017 18:57:00   #
son of witless
 
straightUp wrote:
LOL... I'm sure Bush was asking the same question.


Ha ha. So give me the answer. Wait that will not happen.

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Oct 21, 2017 10:18:43   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
Just because a person doesn't fall for your BS, doesn't mean they're wearing ear muffs and blinders.



Hung by the tongue;
" So if there is a specific point that Lou Dobb's is making, then tell me what it is and I will read what he has to say about it. If it's just broad stroke accusations about how the left is dishonest (or wh**ever you're stereotypical gripe is) I really can't be bothered." - sUp

Go back to the beginning.
https://youtu.be/yDjGodxc8B0

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Oct 21, 2017 15:05:25   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Steve700 wrote:
As usual, you don't know what you're talking about.



Steve700 wrote:

They know that she deliberately Erased 30,000 emails that had been SUBPOENAED, which that alone, anybody else would be in prison for.

First of all, the subpoena wasn't issued until March 4, 2015... AFTER Clinton's lawyers had already provided the e-mails they said were relevant to the B******i investigation on December 5, 2014. At that point, the B******i committee only asked for e-mails relevant to the investigation... They were actually specific about that. So that's what Clinton provided. The Platte River Network was then told to set a retention policy on the remaining e-mails, which is a standard procedure for most typical corporate and government e-mail systems for operational and security reasons, (something I have direct experience with). This particular policy was to automatically delete any e-mail older than 60-days unless the e-mail is f**gged for archiving.

This was all done in December of 2014. The subpoena wasn't issued until three months later. So if Platte River Network did it's job those e-mail would have already been gone because they were all older than 60 days, but they messed up and forgot to set the retention policy. There's no way of really knowing if Clinton or her lawyers knew about the mistake until after the company used bleachbit to delete the old e-mails that should have already been deleted. This erasing happened during the last week of March 2015.

So, the accusation that Clinton intentionally deleted e-mails under subpoena is entirely without proof. Were e-mail's deleted AFTER the subpoena? Yes. Did Clinton know about it? We simply don't know... There is no clear proof that she did and you CAN'T prove someone guilty without proof.

The problem with people like you Steve, is that you so desperately WANT her to be guilty that you simply CAN'T be objective. You are exactly the kind of person that courts weed out of a jury because of bias opinions. And BTW, I'm not saying Clinton is innocent. I'm just saying there is no proof that she's guilty as Comey had concluded quite clearly.

Steve700 wrote:

The deep state and our shadow government is more powerful than the presidents

I know.

I gotta say though... Your vague references to "deep state" and "shadow government" cracks me up. It's called a plutocracy Steve and they hide in plain site. The only reason why they appear to be so shadowy to you is that you aren't really paying attention. You're far too distracted with the circus acts in the other rings.

Steve700 wrote:

and they protect their own (the liberals/g*******ts) or Hillary, Obama, Eric Holder

as well as Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice... The plutocracy isn't biased Steve... they protect their liberal/g*******t interests no matter which party they come from.

Steve700 wrote:

and others would have suffered the death sentence for treason.

'H**e to tell you this but deleting e-mails older than 60 days is NOT an act of treason.

Steve700 wrote:

BE SURE To SEE The VIDEO At The END Of This POST That You Ignored Before

Thing is Steve... I've seen sooo many of these conspiracy theories. After a while, the trash dumpsters all start to smell the same. Maybe I'll have a look, on the off-chance there's something worthwhile, but... maybe not. I'll tell you the same thing I tell eagle... If there's a point, make it... Links should only be for verification, not as a substitute for literacy.

Steve700 wrote:

You just can't help being an i***t, can you?

Insults don't make up for your inability to be objective Steve.

Steve700 wrote:

The only thing there wasn't concrete evidence about is what was in those emails.

Which is the one thing a court would need to pass any judgement on this case.

Steve700 wrote:

(Lots of evidence indicate, for one thing, that Ben Ghazi was probably an Obama administration implicated plot to take Amb. Stevens as a hostage in order to make a big hero out of Obama just before the e******n by getting him back by trading the blind Sheikh for him.

Conjecture doesn't qualify as evidence, Steve. It was also pointed out that House Republicans denied the requests that Clinton and Obama had made to increase funding for the security of State Department assets including embassies... on several occasions. Remember this was a time when House Republicans were shutting down the government to get their way on defunding healthcare. They were denying EVERYTHING Obama asked for. But to imply the connection is also conjecture... there is no hard evidence that increased funding would have saved those Americans.

I'm sure there are many things we would both like to say are evident... we are after all, passionate about politics. But let's try to keep our pants on OK? Let's understand the difference between hard evidence and conjecture and I'll look forward to smarter conversations with you.

Steve700 wrote:

What her not being indicted proves is how the left-wing deep state shadow government protects its own. That crazy corrupt b***h should be in jail and you damn well know it.

Ugh... really Steve? ..."left-wing deep state shadow government"? ..."crazy corrupt b***h"? I gotta say, you get really worked up... Do you think you're capable of objective reasoning when you're like this?

Steve700 wrote:

Those 30,000 emails that had been SUBPOENAED is only the very beginning.

I've already invalidated that claim, so I guess your beginning is a big zero.

Steve700 wrote:

But of course you don't give a damn because like every other liberal the ends justify the means when it comes to the acquisition of power by the left.

Yeah, Steve... all liberals are alike.

And Clinton wasn't running for president in 2014 when the B******i investigation started and I was forming my opinions (which haven't changed). Innocent until proven guilty is my unchanging rule of thumb. The day the courts find what they need to convict her will be the day I accept the conviction. I am not a neoliberal Steve... I'm not even a Democrat, and I've told you this before. I just don't go for witch hunts, that's all.

BTW, I feel the same way about the Russia investigation in case you think I'm being hypocritical. As much as I dislike the creep and as much I would NOT be surprised if he WERE guilty I refuse to jump to that conclusion until proof is found.

Steve700 wrote:

Your mind has been being molded and your opinions manipulated by the deceitful deliberately slanderous left wing f**e news organizations that are no different than 'Provda' of old Soviet Russia.

More conjecture. You're sitting there telling me that my mind is being molded by deceitful media companies and you don't even know what I read or listen to. You seem to be grasping at unfounded theories because my opinion is different than yours.

Steve700 wrote:

Take a listen to this video and you will see and hear one of CNN's top executive state that the Russian collusion delusion thing is all bull s**t, but it sure is good for ratings. Go ahead and watch this video and see Many other examples also that indicate the extent to which you are constantly being lied to in order to dumb you down and believe Marxist propaganda:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXWOKJtdjRI (7 minutes)
.

If that's the point being made in the video, I don't need to watch it... I already know that media companies are in the business of making money Steve. I'm not the i***t you think I am. I know that media companies make money by selling advertising space and they sell for more if they can draw an audience, so ratings are paramount to their business. I also know that long-running stories like investigations are very popular and t***slate to sales in the business of broadcasting. So of course the Russia investigation is good for their business. That's what I call a no-brainer... I certainly don't need YouTube to explain it to me.

I also know that the most successful example of this media business model is Fox News, which made it's mark by shifting priority from the low returns on expensive journalism to the high returns on cheap, provocative commentary, then winning their court case to allow them to bill it as news.

So, save your "American Left = Marxist Conspiracy" bulls**t for the morons.

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Oct 21, 2017 15:22:37   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Hung by the tongue;
" So if there is a specific point that Lou Dobb's is making, then tell me what it is and I will read what he has to say about it. If it's just broad stroke accusations about how the left is dishonest (or wh**ever you're stereotypical gripe is) I really can't be bothered." - sUp

Go back to the beginning.
https://youtu.be/yDjGodxc8B0

...make a point.

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Oct 21, 2017 22:09:27   #
Steve700
 
straightUp wrote:
If that's the point being made in the video, I don't need to watch it... I already know that media companies are in the business of making money Steve. I'm not the i***t you think I am. I know that media companies make money by selling advertising space and they sell for more if they can draw an audience, so ratings are paramount to their business. I also know that long-running stories like investigations are very popular and t***slate to sales in the business of broadcasting. So of course the Russia investigation is good for their business. That's what I call a no-brainer... I certainly don't need YouTube to explain it to me.

I also know that the most successful example of this media business model is Fox News, which made it's mark by shifting priority from the low returns on expensive journalism to the high returns on cheap, provocative commentary, then winning their court case to allow them to bill it as news.

So, save your "American Left = Marxist Conspiracy" bulls**t for the morons.
If that's the point being made in the video, I don... (show quote)

You say I don't know where you get your political information. Well, I don't need to know. Beyond the fact that it is from left-wing sources which are All dishonest and to which I have much more to say regarding that in the body of this post, particularly what I originally wrote to Kevin and which is equally valid for you to read and which is in italics below. As all liberals, you are very naïve to believe what you are told by your own left. Not that WordPerfect but we are Far, FAR, FAR more honest than the left. And we also don't tried to shut the other side down from voicing their opinions and we don't resort to violence and think it's okay. In other words, we are comparatively very decent, honorable and trustworthy.

Did you ever read Saul Alinsky's RULES FOR RADICALS. Its author not only dedicated book to Satan, but he is considered the father of community organizing. That book, not only is the community organizers official playbook, but it has also become the playbook for the Democratic Party. It is all about how to gain power and o*******w America through lies and deception, increasing poverty, destroying the morality of this nation and slandering conservativism and instilling h**e for Christian values. One of the rules is to accuse the opposition of being who you are and of doing what you do. Like this Trump_Russia Delusion Thing. When Hillary, Mueller and Obama are the real ones who actually colluded with Russia. (See the last video link here from the Lou Dobbs program). And like A****A calling us the f*****t. (LOL). You people are morally bankrupt, interested only in The Acquisition of Power by any means necessary. That means you all are evil and consider evil to be a victim of good. It's time to Get your Head Straight, Repent and come to the side that holds T***h, Honesty & Integrity as their prime values and quit being such a lowlife.

You are wrong and saying that you don't need to see tTo those on top, that is secondary to making money.(They already have more money than hundreds of families could spend a lifetime) he video because you already know the prime objective of the news organizations is making money. They are political and have been taken over by the left and their prime objective is to mold your mind and manipulating your opinions. That is, like our educational system, to turn you into a good little l*****ts. They don't report the news, they make the news by what they refrain from telling you, what they choose to tell you, and how they slant it as well as regular outright fabrication. One example after another after another after another is given in this most entertaining and enlightening video You DO need to see this video (as well as the 2nd one Egleye provided you from Lou Dobbs where they show further corruption of Hillary that goes way beyond Ben Ghazi and then is real collusion with Russia where she sells her influence and America's favor for her own personal gain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXWOKJtdjRI (7 minutes) & https://youtu.be/yDjGodxc8B Hillary, Muller and Obama's Russian collusion (Lou Dobbs) Why should I even want to bother to respond to you when you refused to look at the supporting evidence (like the videos) to what I am telling you????????????????? Now, see the damn videos and see some information from those who hold T***h, Honesty & Integrity as their prime values.

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Oct 22, 2017 09:28:13   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Quote:
...make a point.


"..make a point." - straightUp
I did;
Hung by the tongue;
" So if there is a specific point that Lou Dobb's is making, then tell me what it is and I will read what he has to say about it. If it's just broad stroke accusations about how the left is dishonest (or wh**ever you're stereotypical gripe is) I really can't be bothered." - sUp

Go back to the beginning of the interview.
https://youtu.be/yDjGodxc8B0

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Oct 22, 2017 18:20:57   #
Carol Kelly
 
rumitoid wrote:
Which is why Putin helped get him elected. This interference is by now indisputable. Russia helped Trump get elected. His presidency is questionable.

Putin, a superlative operative of the KGB, astute in personality, the narcissism of Trump was a gift they could not avoid. Make America a pathetic cartoon. And a dangerous threat at the same time. Trump fills the bill. It was not like-mindedness that Putin chose Trump; it was Trump's fragile personality and basic lack of depth. He was meant to be a dupe, and has succeeded.
Which is why Putin helped get him elected. This in... (show quote)


And you are now sitting in judgment on others? Trump is our duly elected President and there is no proof of Putin interference.

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Oct 22, 2017 18:34:18   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
And you are now sitting in judgment on others? Trump is our duly elected President and there is no proof of Putin interference.

Hillary then should hire the Putin Trump Campaign workers and get herself a presidency too. My goodness, won an e******n without a single ad or a word of Russian. These guys are good!

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Oct 22, 2017 19:32:24   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"..make a point." - straightUp
I did;
Hung by the tongue;

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean... "hung by the tongue"... I don't speak in redneck riddles eagle. So make the point in English please.

eagleye13 wrote:

" So if there is a specific point that Lou Dobb's is making, then tell me what it is and I will read what he has to say about it. If it's just broad stroke accusations about how the left is dishonest (or wh**ever you're stereotypical gripe is) I really can't be bothered." - sUp

Go back to the beginning of the interview.
https://youtu.be/yDjGodxc8B0

You really aren't getting this...

I asked you to MAKE the point not just wave me over to where you think I can maybe figure out what your point is. That means using actual words and writing actual sentences that describe your argument. If that's too difficult for you then just say so.

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Oct 22, 2017 19:33:57   #
son of witless
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
And you are now sitting in judgment on others? Trump is our duly elected President and there is no proof of Putin interference.


I betcha I know what happened. Hillary probably sold Vlad a bad batch of Uranium. Why else would he have turned on his paid for Hilly Baby ? Up until the e******n Vlad and the Clintons were as thick as thieves. How much money did the Russians give to the Clinton Foundation ?

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Oct 22, 2017 19:50:10   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
You really aren't getting this...

I asked you to MAKE the point not just wave me over to where you think I can maybe figure out what your point is. That means using actual words and writing actual sentences that describe your argument. If that's too difficult for you then just say so.


"You really aren't getting this..."
Oh I got it; and you hung yourself, sUp.
No need to reinvent the wheel.

Others here got it also.
" So if there is a specific point that Lou Dobb's is making, then tell me what it is and I will read what he has to say about it. If it's just broad stroke accusations about how the left is dishonest (or wh**ever you're stereotypical gripe is) I really can't be bothered." - sUp

https://youtu.be/yDjGodxc8B0

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