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Feb 5, 2014 08:34:42   #
Equinoxinator Loc: USA
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/04/creation-museum-debate-nye-ham/5215173/?sf22450233=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI&list=WL0782B7761DA55AC4

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Feb 5, 2014 08:39:14   #
FOXFIRE Loc: SW Commonwealth of Virginia
 
Equinoxinator wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/04/creation-museum-debate-nye-ham/5215173/?sf22450233=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI&list=WL0782B7761DA55AC4


I know Jesus Christ the Lord of lords and the King of kings and upon Jesus I depend.

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Feb 5, 2014 10:21:18   #
catpaw Loc: Bakersfield, California
 
[quote=Equinoxinator]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/04/creation-museum-debate-nye-ham/5215173/?sf22450233=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI&list=WL0782B7761DA55AC4[/quote

A Creation Museum? I guess that's o.k. Disneyland indulges talking animals and fairy tales. Indulging fantasy can be fun.

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Feb 5, 2014 11:50:28   #
bobgssc
 
[quote=catpaw][quote=Equinoxinator]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/04/creation-museum-debate-nye-ham/5215173/?sf22450233=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI&list=WL0782B7761DA55AC4[/quote

A Creation Museum? I guess that's o.k. Disneyland indulges talking animals and fairy tales. Indulging fantasy can be fun.[/quote]

Catpaw, I hope you are having a great day. So, creation is a fairy tale and evolution is scientific? Okay, let's look at a few things. First, evolution is a theory and will remain a theory because it cannot be scientifically proven any time soon. You think otherwise? Look at the "scientific method", which is the standard for "proving things scientifically". After you create your hypothesis, you have to prove it by recreating it in a laboratory environment. Of course this can be done, you start the experiment today and maybe someone in 100 million years will be able to say "look, proof of evolution". Today however, all we have is anecdotal evidence. What is the best evidence you ask? Good question. The only evidence we have is contained in what is called the fossil record. If evolution were the answer, we would expect to see animals evolve randomly with new species spaced far apart in time and of course many "link" species (half bird, half frog, or wh**ever). There should be at least one "link" between each new species and the original from which it evolved (actually, should be thousands more links than species, if you want to get technical); however, what we actually see in the record is a massive explosion of species which all date back to about the same time. Most importantly is the lack of "link" species, otherwise referred to as the missing link. To date, there have been many missing links reported but so far, they have all been found under investigation to be mistake or fraud. My favorite (and it wasn't a fraud), was the fossil that lent itself to an entire group of people... the scientists had wonderful stories of basic tool making and how they lived in communities that were the forerunners of today's cities. The only problem was that every speck of evidence was a single tooth. Okay, maybe they could figure out a lot from a single tooth; however, when it was placed under the scrutiny of animal doctors (vets) the tooth turned out to be from a common pig.
Please do a little ACTUAL research and then if you still prefer a good fairy tale, go back to your evolution story. It does show you are a person of faith, because it takes a lot of faith to believe in something which not only has no proof but the evidence available contradicts that story. Have a wonderful day!

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Feb 5, 2014 12:42:00   #
catpaw Loc: Bakersfield, California
 
bobgssc wrote:
Catpaw, I hope you are having a great day. So, creation is a fairy tale and evolution is scientific? Okay, let's look at a few things. First, evolution is a theory and will remain a theory because it cannot be scientifically proven any time soon. You think otherwise? Look at the "scientific method", which is the standard for "proving things scientifically". After you create your hypothesis, you have to prove it by recreating it in a laboratory environment. Of course this can be done, you start the experiment today and maybe someone in 100 million years will be able to say "look, proof of evolution". Today however, all we have is anecdotal evidence. What is the best evidence you ask? Good question. The only evidence we have is contained in what is called the fossil record. If evolution were the answer, we would expect to see animals evolve randomly with new species spaced far apart in time and of course many "link" species (half bird, half frog, or wh**ever). There should be at least one "link" between each new species and the original from which it evolved (actually, should be thousands more links than species, if you want to get technical); however, what we actually see in the record is a massive explosion of species which all date back to about the same time. Most importantly is the lack of "link" species, otherwise referred to as the missing link. To date, there have been many missing links reported but so far, they have all been found under investigation to be mistake or fraud. My favorite (and it wasn't a fraud), was the fossil that lent itself to an entire group of people... the scientists had wonderful stories of basic tool making and how they lived in communities that were the forerunners of today's cities. The only problem was that every speck of evidence was a single tooth. Okay, maybe they could figure out a lot from a single tooth; however, when it was placed under the scrutiny of animal doctors (vets) the tooth turned out to be from a common pig.
Please do a little ACTUAL research and then if you still prefer a good fairy tale, go back to your evolution story. It does show you are a person of faith, because it takes a lot of faith to believe in something which not only has no proof but the evidence available contradicts that story. Have a wonderful day!
Catpaw, I hope you are having a great day. So, cre... (show quote)


If I recall the Bible correctly, I think it defines faith as belief in "things unseen." The scientific method, even when applied to evolution, doesn't work that way. It cannot accept that God did a few magic tricks and "poof," a naked couple is running around in a lush garden and being seduced by a talking snake.
Every major religion has a god or gods or goddesses with human traits and personalities. Each also subscribes that this God will k**l people if we poor mortals piss Him off. There are devout faithful today who have a mandate from God to shoot doctors in public and blow up defenseless people in market places and children in schools.
Begs the question: Did God create us in His image, or did we create God in ours?

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Feb 5, 2014 12:45:07   #
catpaw Loc: Bakersfield, California
 
Don't the "End Times" so many pray for have Jesus floating down from Heaven with an army of angels k*****g everybody who isn't "the elect?"

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Feb 5, 2014 13:20:24   #
bobgssc
 
catpaw wrote:
If I recall the Bible correctly, I think it defines faith as belief in "things unseen." The scientific method, even when applied to evolution, doesn't work that way. It cannot accept that God did a few magic tricks and "poof," a naked couple is running around in a lush garden and being seduced by a talking snake.
Every major religion has a god or gods or goddesses with human traits and personalities. Each also subscribes that this God will k**l people if we poor mortals piss Him off. There are devout faithful today who have a mandate from God to shoot doctors in public and blow up defenseless people in market places and children in schools.
Begs the question: Did God create us in His image, or did we create God in ours?
If I recall the Bible correctly, I think it define... (show quote)


Catpaw, are you a politician? You managed to post your little belief without addressing one single fact I posted. Nice job

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Feb 5, 2014 13:24:03   #
bobgssc
 
catpaw wrote:
If I recall the Bible correctly, I think it defines faith as belief in "things unseen." The scientific method, even when applied to evolution, doesn't work that way. It cannot accept that God did a few magic tricks and "poof," a naked couple is running around in a lush garden and being seduced by a talking snake.
Every major religion has a god or gods or goddesses with human traits and personalities. Each also subscribes that this God will k**l people if we poor mortals piss Him off. There are devout faithful today who have a mandate from God to shoot doctors in public and blow up defenseless people in market places and children in schools.
Begs the question: Did God create us in His image, or did we create God in ours?
If I recall the Bible correctly, I think it define... (show quote)


My apologies, I forgot to address your statement. Yes, there are many religions, I didn't even get to the religion portion, I was simply addressing your faith in evolution. As far as those who have a mandate from God to "shoot doctors in public..." you and I both know there are unstable people in the world who do terrible things in the name of God or Allah or trees and helpless animals. Please don't try to use those poor individuals to further your own biased beliefs.

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Feb 5, 2014 13:29:25   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
No. My end time is when I die, then when someone else dies, and so forth. Everyone has their End Time. The rest of the people continue as the world goes on until they die in their End time.
The Lord floated up into Heaven in front of his Apostles not long after he was resurrected. He will not float down in the world's eye view- otherwise the Faith that he taught and died for becomes nil. Jesus Christ is not a fabricator of lies.
The Heavenly army in white linen clothing is an all together different matter.
I really like your statement of "Did God create man, or did man create God". What a mouthful that is! Excellent~
catpaw wrote:
Don't the "End Times" so many pray for have Jesus floating down from Heaven with an army of angels k*****g everybody who isn't "the elect?"

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Feb 5, 2014 22:46:51   #
catpaw Loc: Bakersfield, California
 
bobgssc wrote:
Catpaw, are you a politician? You managed to post your little belief without addressing one single fact I posted. Nice job


Research done in the field has recovered proof alot closer to evolutionary teaching than creation. As to proof in the lab, midochondrial DNA research has shown that modern people are descended from earlier homonoids. The earliest beginnings of modern mankind are continuously being pushed back to earlier times. The oldest modern human remains have been carbon dated at 160-something thousand years. Prehistoric human-type fossils are rare. The world's accumulation could fit into the bed of a pick-up.
It is intriguing that these nomadic primitives left artifacts and graves that indicate a religious or spiritual belief; which indicates self-awareness, social standards and application of abstract thought and logic according to known fact and discovery--an attempt to figure things out.
Interestingly, an very early artifact is a "venus" female figure with exaggerated breasts and hips. Mother Nature? Mother Earth? In any case, an obvious association with life.
Associating the unknown to a familiar figure makes it less frightening and comprehensive.
Don't know how the sun goes across the sky? An invisible, omnipotent god with human characteristics will fill the void; until scientific knowledge comes up with the solar system and orbits.

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Feb 6, 2014 11:44:56   #
LAwrence
 
I know Jesus Christ as my God and my savior. I also know Darwin, a son of Satan. It is wise to know your enemy.

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Feb 6, 2014 11:48:35   #
bobgssc
 
LAwrence wrote:
I know Jesus Christ as my God and my savior. I also know Darwin, a son of Satan. It is wise to know your enemy.


Darwin is blamed for the theory of evolution but didn't actually ever believe it was the birth of man. Many believe he became a Christian before he passed. As a fellow Christian, please remember the whole "judge not" thing. Please! I believe judgmentalism is the single most negative thing Christians do to hinder the advance of the Christian belief.
I believe in evolution, we see it all around us... it just doesn't explain the creation of man.

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Feb 6, 2014 12:21:58   #
rumitoid
 
I know Jesus and Darwin: in one I put my complete faith and the other my curiosity, respectively. Romans1:19-20 says, "...because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

I see an incredible intelligence and order to nature that makes it impossible for me not to see God's presence in the universe. Looking at what science has revealed as to the existence of life, especially our life here on Earth in the Goldielox zone ("just right"), it reveals what is nothing short of than a miraculous balance and precision of magnificent intricacy; it is impossible for me to see this as simply the result of time and happenstance.

My thinking is not God's thinking. My limited thinking will never fully grasp the mystery of God or creation, yet of what I can perceive of nature, I am thoroughly convinced it is the work of a divine hand. Could evolution be part of that work? Perhaps. I see no reason that we must take a literal view of Genesis. The account of creation is the t***h of what man at that time could understand of God and the universe. For me, it is a call to look deeper and ever deeper into creation to uncover more and more of His "invisible qualities" and "divine nature."

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Feb 6, 2014 14:30:50   #
bahmer
 
Equinoxinator wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/04/creation-museum-debate-nye-ham/5215173/?sf22450233=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI&list=WL0782B7761DA55AC4


I know Jesus is my Lord and Savior and I will always follow Him. I also know that Darwinism is a theory that cannot be proven just as creationism cannot be proven or demonstrated any more than can evolution be demonstrated. Hence both theories depend on faith. Either the faith that through some strange coincidence of fate that life was formed on earth and that it evolved into every known tree, plan, vegetable, insect, fish, and mammal all on its own, or the faith that a creator with far more wisdom and ability that you or I created this planet and all life forms for us to enjoy. I prefer the creator over the guess work.

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Feb 6, 2014 14:50:33   #
Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City
 
Admittedly, there are some few who believe that all of creation is only 6000 years old. Those are the ones who believe 100% in creation. Facts disagree. I believe in the Creator and that He started up everything we see and know.
I also believe that everything moved forward from there to what we have today. If God had not wanted us to use our knowledge and scenes, He would not have put the seeds for them in our ancestors. We see changes and can explain them as part of a natural process of adaptation to the environment.
I guess this makes me a rare bird how sees and believes both in God and Creation and in the natural evolution.

Equinoxinator wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/04/creation-museum-debate-nye-ham/5215173/?sf22450233=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI&list=WL0782B7761DA55AC4

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