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Jan 13, 2014 00:31:07   #
rumitoid
 
Unbridled Joy: far, far greater than dogma and morals. Giving not from a sense of "pain-weight," a dour and usually hurtful obligation of giving that follows from self-denial and not the freely given abundance of love.

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Jan 13, 2014 01:14:55   #
rumitoid
 
rumitoid wrote:
Unbridled Joy: far, far greater than dogma and morals. Giving not from a sense of "pain-weight," a dour and usually hurtful obligation of giving that follows from self-denial and not the freely given abundance of love.


The Beatitudes are all about what makes a person truly "Happy," which in the normal scheme of things in everyday affairs, happy is not the word.

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Jan 13, 2014 04:31:59   #
GEM lucas Loc: TRIADELPHIA ,WV
 
rumitoid wrote:
Unbridled Joy: far, far greater than dogma and morals. Giving not from a sense of "pain-weight," a dour and usually hurtful obligation of giving that follows from self-denial and not the freely given abundance of love.


yea.

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Jan 13, 2014 04:46:36   #
GEM lucas Loc: TRIADELPHIA ,WV
 
rumitoid wrote:
The Beatitudes are all about what makes a person truly "Happy," which in the normal scheme of things in everyday affairs, happy is not the word.


To me Happy is a word.To me it means that I'm joy full and satisfied with my life as it is.

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Jan 13, 2014 05:08:58   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
rumitoid wrote:
Unbridled Joy: far, far greater than dogma and morals. Giving not from a sense of "pain-weight," a dour and usually hurtful obligation of giving that follows from self-denial and not the freely given abundance of love.


Perfect kindness is by definition, kind. It's a moot question.

2nd Corinthians 9:7 explains the Christian attitude to giving:
"Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

"Giving from a dour and usually hurtful obligation of giving that follows from self-denial" is an affront to Christian teachings. It sounds more like the phony unBiblical purveyors of "name it and claim it," who pressure their listeners, promising if you'll send them money, often more than they can afford, God will enrich them beyond all belief.

These ministries enrich themselves at the expense of the poor, and live like kings, wasting the funds that should have bought Bibles, or clothing or food, on their own greed.

Those who truly wish to minister should be in a inner-city ghetto, or in the hills of eastern Kentucky ministering to those who are in need.

I've always wanted to see someone ask such "ministries," why they don't reverse the giving by sending their own funds to their followers, so that they, may in return receive God's blessing.

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Jan 13, 2014 07:53:01   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
rumitoid wrote:
The Beatitudes are all about what makes a person truly "Happy," which in the normal scheme of things in everyday affairs, happy is not the word.


Yes!! Unbridled JOY!! and may more on OPP learn to embrace it!! I don't "often" have it, but when it occurs, it just about takes my breath away, it does!! It fills me to overflowing and if it came in the form of pixie dust, I would fling it everywhere in gay abandon. Yes I would!!

"Happy" to me resonates more like "being content" with things, quite a different animal, but hey, "happy" is good. I would rather view my glass half full than half empty any day of the week and "if" we truly have "faith in God", then I guess my question is, how can we not have a glass half-full? I get up each morning and tick off the things I am grateful for. It centers me. It reframes my day, if the last ended badly.

Let's face it, being joyful ALL the time would wear us all out. God in his wisdom gave us "happy". I am content with that.

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Jan 13, 2014 20:27:00   #
PhilosophyMan Loc: Washington state.
 
rumitoid wrote:
Unbridled Joy: far, far greater than dogma and morals. Giving not from a sense of "pain-weight," a dour and usually hurtful obligation of giving that follows from self-denial and not the freely given abundance of love.


yes, without a doubt, but then it is no longer kindness, it simply is. thus a perfect world if there were no conflict in existence, but their is, alas.

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Jan 13, 2014 23:15:27   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
PhilosophyMan wrote:
yes, without a doubt, but then it is no longer kindness, it simply is. thus a perfect world if there were no conflict in existence, but their is, alas.


but conversely, cannot unbridled joy prompt kindness without premeditation -- for that matter unbridled joy itself let off such a sense of well being that it sometimes spontaneously brings about a change in one who has been subjected to it, therefore being a verb instead of a noun?

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Jan 14, 2014 01:11:09   #
PhilosophyMan Loc: Washington state.
 
Searching wrote:
but conversely, cannot unbridled joy prompt kindness without premeditation -- for that matter unbridled joy itself let off such a sense of well being that it sometimes spontaneously brings about a change in one who has been subjected to it, therefore being a verb instead of a noun?


so you are saying the answer to a perfect world is everlasting joy?

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Jan 14, 2014 07:29:35   #
ibKelly
 
Kindness in inbred. What you see at home normally follows that pattern. Not always.. but most of the times.

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Jan 14, 2014 09:43:04   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
ibKelly wrote:
Kindness in inbred. What you see at home normally follows that pattern. Not always.. but most of the times.


Not in the house that I grew up in. I spent YEARS in therapy. Do not take misconstrue that to mean that I did not love my parents, they did the best they could with the tools they had. Let us just say that making a child be responsible for not allowing a parent to have a "bad day" or be held accountable in some fashion because despite the best efforts of that child, they had "a bad day" does not represent inbred kindness. Just saying...

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Jan 14, 2014 09:59:59   #
ibKelly
 
Searching wrote:
Not in the house that I grew up in. I spent YEARS in therapy. Do not take misconstrue that to mean that I did not love my parents, they did the best they could with the tools they had. Let us just say that making a child be responsible for not allowing a parent to have a "bad day" or be held accountable in some fashion because despite the best efforts of that child, they had "a bad day" does not represent inbred kindness. Just saying...


I can agree with that... but when I was growing up.. times back then were totally different than they are now... We did not have tv's.... a radio if rich... but one thing we did have... was DISCIPLINE..... you did not dare talk back to your parents... not ever... you did not dare talk in classes in school unless the teacher said you could. You were never late to class, you never missed school and you were obedient at all times... WHY? Cause you were taught discipline at home.. You had manners. You were not allowed out at night no matter how old you were... well.. you could if you were 18... you never resented these rules, cause it's all you've ever known.

The kids of to day have tv.. drinking, smoking, shacking around, getting pg... 5 cars in a family, there is nothing the kids of today can't and don't do.... cause you see.. they have no guidance. They come and go and when bored... smoke pot, drink alcohol, or just become a bum in general cause they have either ONE parent, or if both, they do the same thing... Monkey see... Monkey do! So you see... I was brought up in the first part of this writing... very strict parent.. and I only had a MOTHER... my Daddy died when I was 7 years old... but my Mother made sure we did the right thing.

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Jan 14, 2014 10:00:18   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
PhilosophyMan wrote:
so you are saying the answer to a perfect world is everlasting joy?


Well, the "fly in the ointment" so to speak is that the perfect world would have had to evolve into being in the first place. This unbridled joy would sustain it, but unfortunately, not bring it about. I am sure you have noticed that unbridled joy is not always met with a responding joyful connection. You would think it infectious, but we all come to the table, in this imperfect world we live in, with baggage. I have literally gone out the door from time to time, "almost" skipping (at 66 my knees protest, perhaps a good thing, because it might give people pause
:lol: to see me skip) and have felt it such a joy to be alive, that it was all I could do to NOT embrace everyone I met in my day; however, containing myself and be content to only smile at one and all telling them to have a truly awesome day. Some have paused, getting it, and returned it in kind and on one particular day, one elderly man literally stopped in his tracks, grabbed me in a fierce hug and said "God Bless". Others, by their glares, made it clear that NOTHING was going to cause them to consider their glasses even a quarter full and I had my nerve being cheerful. I can only imagine how miserable these people were. I wish unbridled joy were the answer to all of man's discontent.

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Jan 14, 2014 10:01:59   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
Searching wrote:
Well, the "fly in the ointment" so to speak is that the perfect world would have had to evolve into being in the first place. This unbridled joy would sustain it, but unfortunately, not bring it about. I am sure you have noticed that unbridled joy is not always met with a responding joyful connection. You would think it infectious, but we all come to the table, in this imperfect world we live in, with baggage. I have literally gone out the door from time to time, "almost" skipping (at 66 my knees protest, perhaps a good thing, because it might give people pause
:lol: to see me skip) and have felt it such a joy to be alive, that it was all I could do to NOT embrace everyone I met in my day; however, containing myself and be content to only smile at one and all telling them to have a truly awesome day. Some have paused, getting it, and returned it in kind and on one particular day, one elderly man literally stopped in his tracks, grabbed me in a fierce hug and said "God Bless". Others, by their glares, made it clear that NOTHING was going to cause them to consider their glasses even a quarter full and I had my nerve being cheerful. I can only imagine how miserable these people were. I wish unbridled joy were the answer to all of man's discontent.
Well, the "fly in the ointment" so to sp... (show quote)


I know you said "everlasting" joy, but somehow I equate that to "unbridled."

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Jan 14, 2014 12:09:15   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
ibKelly wrote:
I can agree with that... but when I was growing up.. times back then were totally different than they are now... We did not have tv's.... a radio if rich... but one thing we did have... was DISCIPLINE..... you did not dare talk back to your parents... not ever... you did not dare talk in classes in school unless the teacher said you could. You were never late to class, you never missed school and you were obedient at all times... WHY? Cause you were taught discipline at home.. You had manners. You were not allowed out at night no matter how old you were... well.. you could if you were 18... you never resented these rules, cause it's all you've ever known.

The kids of to day have tv.. drinking, smoking, shacking around, getting pg... 5 cars in a family, there is nothing the kids of today can't and don't do.... cause you see.. they have no guidance. They come and go and when bored... smoke pot, drink alcohol, or just become a bum in general cause they have either ONE parent, or if both, they do the same thing... Monkey see... Monkey do! So you see... I was brought up in the first part of this writing... very strict parent.. and I only had a MOTHER... my Daddy died when I was 7 years old... but my Mother made sure we did the right thing.
I can agree with that... but when I was growing up... (show quote)


Oh absolutely I get where you are coming from. In fact, the whole neighborhood was involved in raising us all. We ALL knew, all of us kids, beyond a shadow of a doubt that our parents would know if we had somehow messed up, before we got home. My parents, however, were both mentally ill, and so it put another slant on things. I now wonder how my parents managed to be highly functioning members of society, that they both had jobs involving the public, but they did. My father did go on to commit suicide later in life and my mother totally retreated into darkness after my father's death. I came to know they did the best they were able to. Children today, it would seem, are being raised by children. I am indeed as appalled as you are, at the lack of manners, the language, you name it. I did not raise my three boys that way.

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