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Feb 15, 2022 20:26:13   #
Former President Donald Trump and his allies are saying that a recent court filing by Justice Department special counsel John Durham is proof that he was being spied on as a candidate in 2016 and later as president by people involved with Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

The 13-page filing lays out new evidence that Durham collected about the lengths to which Democratic partisans went to push the narrative to the FBI and the CIA that Trump was engaged in improper secret communications with the Kremlin while he was running for president.

But according to a leading cybersecurity expert, the highly technical filing — while raising some potentially troubling questions about the use of nonpublic government data for political purposes — does little to support Trump’s claim that his allegations of spying have been vindicated.

The filing was made by Durham on Friday in a case involving Michael Sussmann, a cybersecurity lawyer who has been charged with lying to the FBI by failing to disclose that he was working for Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign during a key meeting that September with a senior bureau official.

Prosecutors allege that in September 2016, Sussmann brought then-FBI general counsel James Baker since-debunked allegations about a secret communications channel between the Trump Organization and the Alfa Bank, a Russian financial institution owned by cronies of Vladimir Putin. Durham alleges that Sussmann told Baker he was not working on behalf of any client when he provided Baker with material about the supposed secret channel, when, according to the special counsel, he actually billed his work on the matter to Clinton's campaign. (Sussmann has denied the charges, and the case is scheduled to go to trial in federal court in Washington, D.C., this spring.)

The allegations about a secret channel were widely discussed in the media before the 2016 election and touted by the Clinton campaign. But the FBI and Robert Mueller's investigation later concluded that no such secret channel had existed.

In his filing, Durham said that an unnamed tech executive with government cybersecurity contracts exploited access to computer data at the Trump White House to find “derogatory information” about the president.

The tech executive — whom the New York Times identified as Rodney Joffe — used his access to domain-name system data to compile information about which computers and servers the White House servers were communicating with.

According to the filing, Joffe gave Sussmann data from computer servers at the Executive Office of the President, two Trump-owned buildings in New York and an unrelated medical firm in Michigan, and claimed the servers had connected with internet addresses “affiliated with a Russian mobile phone provider.”

Sussmann then gave the information to an unnamed federal agency — identified by the Times as the CIA — at a meeting on Feb. 9, 2017, less than a month after Trump took office. He claimed to the agency that the data “demonstrated that Trump and/or his associates were using supposedly rare, Russian-made wireless phones in the vicinity of the White House and other locations.” But Durham said his office “has identified no support for these allegations.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/durham-special-counsel-filing-trump-spying-clinton-campaign-215335145.html
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Feb 15, 2022 14:36:11   #
billy a wrote:
Hallelujah !! It took a while, but the "T"s are cossed and the "I"s are dotted. Out of all the clinton person's jump-suits, ORANGE will look the best. And there will be plenty to go around... fjb


Please stick to the topic of this thread; we do not need a troll hijack.
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Feb 15, 2022 14:34:34   #
TexaCan wrote:
The craziness on the left should not be a guide to truth! Remember when you screamed Russia, Russia, Russia?



https://patriotpost.us/videos/86226?mailing_id=6479&utm_medium=email&utm_source=pp.email.6479&utm_campaign=snapshot&utm_content=body

Worse Than Watergate’
Special Counsel John Durham alleges the Clinton campaign paid money to penetrate Trump’s servers in order to sic the FBI on him.


Fine. Write your own thread about it. If that site is true, Hillary should be prosecuted. Truth is truth and does not take sides, but the Democrats seem to be more welcoming of it. Oh, I don't scream hoho.
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Feb 15, 2022 14:29:07   #
TexaCan wrote:
And then there is this……..just in case you missed it! 😉

https://thegreggjarrett.com/durham-reveals-clinton-camp-spied-on-trump-tower-and-white-house-in-russia-hoax/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=durham-reveals-clinton-camp-spied-on-trump-tower-and-white-house-in-russia-hoax

Special Counsel John Durham released a bombshell just before the weekend. On Friday, Durham released a new filing “showing that the Clinton campaign paid a tech firm to ‘infiltrate’ the servers at Trump Tower and later at the White House in an attempt to link former President Donald Trump to Russia” reports the Daily Caller News Foundation.


As a result, “now even Democrats call for Hillary Clinton to be investigated after John Durham revealed her camp SPIED on Trump while he was in the White House to smear him” reads the headline on Daily Mail UK.

Daily Mail reports: “Durham’s motion that was filed on Friday looked at potential conflicts of interest with regard to former Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussman, who has been charged with making a false statement to a federal agent. Sussman has pleaded not guilty to the charge.”

According to the filing from Durham released, “the aim was to try and smear Trump by linking him to Russia. Clinton’s campaign repeatedly accused Trump of using a secret server to communicate with Russians, although the claim has never been proven” reports Daily Mail.

On Sunday, former President Donald Trump released the statement, “what Hillary Clinton and the Radical Left Democrats did with respect to spying on a President of the United States, even while in office, is a far bigger crime than Watergate.”


‘It will be interesting to see how it was covered by the media and what Mitch McConnell and the RINOs will be doing about it. This is an insult to the Republican Party, but a far greater insult to our Nation” stated Trump.

Daily Mail reports:

The former chief investigator of the Trump-Russia probe for the House Intelligence Committee, Kash Patel, said Friday’s filing ‘definitively showed the Hillary Clinton campaign directly funded and ordered its lawyers at Perkins Coie to orchestrate a criminal enterprise to fabricate a connection between President Trump and Russia,’ Fox News reported.

‘Per Durham, this arrangement was put in motion in July of 2016, meaning the Hillary Clinton campaign and her lawyers masterminded the most intricate and coordinated conspiracy against Trump when he was both a candidate and later president of the United States while simultaneously perpetuating the bogus Steele Dossier hoax,’ Patel told Fox.
And then there is this……..just in case you missed ... (show quote)


And what does that have to do with this article...except as a troll-like distraction from the truth in this thread. Stick to the topic.
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Feb 15, 2022 08:55:06   #
Citing massive Ref bad calls fraud, Cincinnati shows that the game was stolen. Now only Pence, in his capacity as an ordinary citizen, has the power granted him by nobody to fix this Big Lie. Like all the nuts that believed this nonsense from former president Trump, they will have the opportunity to go before their bookies to appeal for a return of their bets and possibly have their wagers honored. Good luck.
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Feb 14, 2022 12:03:46   #
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Shuffle on zombie!


What's that saying about the kettle?
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Feb 14, 2022 12:02:28   #
billy a wrote:
I take offense at you're implying I'm a fool. Watch out I don't go whining to admin. fjb


Sorry, it is what it is. Whine away. The craziness on the Right should not be a guide to truth.
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Feb 14, 2022 11:57:53   #
TexaCan wrote:
Back this up with scriptures!

You are so wrong…..we learn from our mistakes and failures. Does an alcoholic/drug attic not learn from the heartache that he/she caused loved ones? A person must face his/her past in order to change and become the person that God intended or hoped that we would become after accepting his sacrifice on the cross. Love alone will not save anyone.


Good comments, but if you truly knew Scripture you could do one of two things: a) know that I am true to Scripture with quote marks; b) refute what I have said thru Scripture. Sorry, your passion for strawman building should be replaced with solid arguments from the word. You try to rebut me without without chapter and verse; take your own advice.
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Feb 14, 2022 11:49:19   #
Rose42 wrote:
Heed Zemirah’s advice - meditate on written scripture. I would add- get away from the unbiblical hyper grace. What you write is not Christianity.


I have no clue what "hyper-grace" is, and I never mentioned it nor promoted it. It is a strawman. But thank you for the concern.
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Feb 13, 2022 16:47:46   #
Rose42 wrote:
I would also like to see scripture that says repentance isn’t necessary and that being a Christian is effortless and easy.


Well, maybe you need that for yourself because I never, ever said such an absurd idea. That comment is a straw man.
A straw man (sometimes written as strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted.
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Feb 13, 2022 16:42:33   #
Zemirah wrote:
rumitoid, Christianity is a joyous faith.

My first thought upon looking at your title was that it echoed vaguely of pantheism - then I thought of a response I composed and posted earlier to another thread, almost exclusively using Scripture, and it is somewhat similar.

John 15:16-17: [Jesus said] "You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit - fruit that will remain - so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.
This is My command to you: Love one another."

The Christian faith exists because Jesus Christ dwelt physically upon the earth, ca 4 B.C. to 30 A.D.. Followers of Jesus have had and do have different understandings about many things, but all true Christians agree that Jesus Christ is a revelation of God in the flesh.

Jesus' purpose (being fully God and fully man) on earth was to restore the broken relationship between God and man, by paying in full, through His own propitiatory (sacrificial) death, man's sin debt, for as a substitute - on behalf of the guilty, He satisfied the requirement of a holy, righteous God.

In order to bring anyone to acceptance of Christ, requires the conviction of sin and the necessity of repentance, which is the work of the Holy Spirit.

John 6:43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus replied.
44 “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 "It is written in the Prophets: ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me."

Every Christian surely recognizes what an incredible bargain they have received in the free gift of salvation, for no one could ever achieve the perfection required to earn eternity in His presence.

The joy of our salvation begins immediately, provided by the accompanying gifts Jesus bestows upon us for our daily benefit, here, today, during our present life:

John 14:26-27 "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.
"Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid."

Ephesians 2:9-10: "Not by works, so that no one can boast.
"For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.

This is not a detriment, for God's works are to be done in His strength, never in our own.

"Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ’s sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong." (2nd Corinthians 12:10)

"Whoever speaks, is to do so as one who is speaking the utterances of God;whoever serves is to do so as one who is serving by the strength which God supplies; so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belongs the glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen." (1st Peter 4:11)
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Beautiful, thank you. I will study this to see if I violated the scriptures you mentioned (though right now I am fairly confidrnt I did now) and because I need your insights.
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Feb 13, 2022 16:35:35   #
TexaCan wrote:
What is hyper-grace?
hyper-grace
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The term hyper-grace has been used to describe a new wave of teaching that emphasizes the grace of God to the exclusion of other vital teachings such as repentance and confession of sin. Hyper-grace teachers maintain that all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven, so there is no need for a believer to ever confess it. Hyper-grace teaching says that, when God looks at us, He sees only a holy and righteous people. The conclusion of hyper-grace teaching is that we are not bound by Jesus’ teaching, even as we are not under the Law; that believers are not responsible for their sin; and that anyone who disagrees is a pharisaical legalist. In short, hyper-grace teachers “pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality” (Jude 1:4) and flirt with antinomianism.

Jesus’ words to the seven churches in the book of Revelation strongly contradict the idea that Christians never need to repent. To the church at Ephesus, Jesus said, “Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place” (Revelation 2:4). Jesus rebukes five of the seven churches and demands repentance from them (Revelation 2:4, 6, 20; 3:3, 15–19). Far from believers being unaccountable for their sin, they must answer to Jesus for their disobedience (see also 2 Corinthians 5:10).

Preachers of hyper-grace doctrine discount the Old Testament and the Ten Commandments as irrelevant to New Testament believers. They even teach that Jesus’ words spoken before His resurrection are part of the Old Covenant and no longer applicable to born-again believers. But is this true?

In Mark 13:31, Jesus said, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.” Before Jesus ascended into heaven, He promised that the Father would send the Holy Spirit who “will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you” (John 14:26). If Jesus’ words are no longer applicable to believers, why would we need to be reminded of them?

Hyper-grace teaching is a good example of mixing truth with error. An emphasis on the beauty and power of God’s grace is good, but some teachers are neglecting what Paul called the “whole counsel of God” (Acts 20:27). For example, it is true that Christians have been forgiven by God. But that doesn’t mean we never have to confess our sin. James 5:16 says, “Confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.” If we are to confess our sins to each other, why would we not need to confess them to God, since every sin is ultimately a sin against God (Psalm 51:4)?

Also, 1 John 1:9 gives clear instruction to believers about confessing sin. It begins with the word if: “If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” This is a cause/effect statement implying that we cannot have the second without the first. As blood-bought children of God, we do not continue to confess our sin in order to be saved from hell. We confess and repent in order to reestablish an intimate relationship with our Father. We are “positionally righteous” but “practically sinful.”

To counter this argument, hyper-grace preachers deny that John’s letters were written to believers. However, 1 John 2:1 begins with this: “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” John is clearly writing to believers whom he personally knew. He indicates that his believing friends may indeed sin, and that, when they do, they need to confess it.

Hyper-grace preachers also claim the Holy Spirit will never convict Christians of their sin. Mature Christians should recognize this fallacy right away. Every disciple of Christ has felt the overwhelming conviction of the Holy Spirit when he or she has sinned. Jesus calls the Holy Spirit “the Spirit of Truth” (John 15:26). Truth, by its very definition, will not tolerate anything false. When the Spirit of Truth abides in a believing heart (1 Corinthians 6:19), He brings conviction about anything that is not truth.

In summary, much of what the hyper-grace preachers teach is valid. We are indeed saved by grace, not our works (Ephesians 2:8–9). And God’s grace is marvelous, great, and free (1 Timothy 1:14). However, hyper-grace teaching is out of proportion to the rest of Scripture. Any time one doctrine is emphasized to the exclusion of the rest, we fall into error because we fail to “correctly handle” the Word (2 Timothy 2:15).

Jesus was full of both “grace and truth” (John 1:14). The two are in delicate balance, and a tip to either side can result in a false gospel. We must always compare any new teaching with the “whole counsel of God” and learn to disregard anything that veers even slightly from the truth (1 John 4:1).
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Thank you for your comprehensive rebuttal. You made a number of leaps that jumped over what I said in my thread and what landed in the wilderness. Did I talk about hyper-grace? Your dispute over my thread is your wrongful assumption that I was talking about this odd thought of hyper-grace. But that was what you appear to have mistakenly saw in my thread. Or I did not express my beliefs clearly.
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Feb 13, 2022 16:27:03   #
Rose42 wrote:
I have given you scriptural references before - many times.

Truth is irrelevant to what we ‘feel’. The truth is revaled to us in scripture and no its not effortless. Every believer in the bible had it hard - especially Paul. Every single one.

If there is no will to live for Christ, no will to resist temptation, no will to repent, then one is not living for Christ.

Christ himself said it was hard -

Matthew 7:13–14
Jesus said, "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

We are given trials for a reason - to build faith. Christianity is simple but hard. If its easy for you then something is wrong.
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Whatever your beliefs are.
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Feb 13, 2022 16:23:44   #
LogicallyRight wrote:
NWR


I need your un-coded answer, with some logic and thought, even if that is a betrayal of the Right.
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Feb 13, 2022 16:21:10   #
Cuda2020 wrote:
Ahh yes the world according to Trump, I believe he hit all the minorities with abstracting brown, black and yellow, I guess red was a real dilemma for him. Can we count how many times he's worn a blue suit? Cheery huh, I always thought blue skies were cheery? The sun is yellow, is that not cheery?

Does anything he ever says not be hypocritical and contradictory?
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Perfect!
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