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Nov 23, 2017 19:24:01   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Really, dude, you can stop with the explosives horseshit. You need to watch that video closely. At the 2:10 time mark, you will clearly see a wide section of the perimeter wall from about a third of the way in from the left to the center begin to fall before the rest of the upper portion begins to collapse. There is no visible evidence whatsoever that an explosive detonation occurred, not at that moment or any time thereafter.

I think you are sadly mistaken . . .

Nov 23, 2017 19:22:06   #
emarine wrote:
You need to choose another term than explosives... explosives rapidly expand while releasing massive heat energy as pressure & gases breaking the sound barrier causing massive sonic booms... that's how things work on planet earth... here's the audio of the north tower collapse close up ... a very violent gravitational collapse nothing sonic about it... the towers peeled outward as the top section fell straight through the center core all the way to the ground as seen & heard on every video to date... Gravity & Kinetic energy rule the universe as well as 911...
You need to choose another term than explosives...... (show quote)

As usual your childish graphics don't do justice to what really happened.
You say explosives rapidly expand, well look what's happening here . . . and do you think this wasn't accompanied by huge explosive sounds?

Nov 23, 2017 19:16:30   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
payne1000 If, as you claim, no security cameras existed at Boston Logan Airport, the reason would be that Boston Logan's security was handled by an Israel corporation:
This is just more evidence against Israel being involved in the planning and execution of 9/11.
I made no claims about no security cameras at Boston Logan, the officials at Boston Logan said the cameras had never been installed.

I won't get into the details of "whatreallyhappened" says about this, other than to say it is just more anti-Semitic propaganda, and the author of that bullshit is anonymous.

Washington Dulles airport had in the neighborhood of 300 security cameras. Where are those videos? Please don't post that fake video which has been manipulated and has no time date stamp or any indication of where it was located.
An airport security video has little to do with the process of booking and boarding a commercial flight. Such videos are passive monitors only, they do not book flights online, through a travel agent, or at the airline ticket counter. Airport cameras do not accept cash, checks, or credit card information, they do not check every passenger's ID, passport (if applicable), ticket, and boarding pass, and they do not scan faces, fingerprints or retinas in order to identify every one of the millions of passengers who pass through the checkpoints every year. In other words, video cameras don't give a shit who gets on an airplane. In 2001, airport cameras were primarily for baggage surveillance.

Please show readers photos of the alleged damage which brought WTC7 down. WTC7 stood for 7-1/2 hours after the South Tower fell. There was plenty of time for photos to be taken from every angle. Why are those photos being withheld?

On 9/11, the wind was blowing from the north, because of this the south side of WTC7 was obscured by smoke pouring from the building. However, before the fires in WTC7 developed to any degree, an NYPD chopper took some photos.

payne1000 If, as you claim, no security cameras ex... (show quote)

Here's another account of Israeli run ITCS. It has an author. It also mentions Securicom which had Marvin Bush on the Board of Directors.

The alleged hijackers would have had to go through baggage check security at Washington Dulles. Where are those videos?

The photos you posted show a problem with the damage you claim for WTC7. The sun was hitting the East side of the building on both photos. That means both photos are showing the East side of WTC7.

Look at the dark smoke marks on the corner of the building. You can see them on both photos. The damage which was retouched into the first photo was not added to the second photo.

Nov 23, 2017 18:45:42   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Newton's 3rd law does not "cause" anything to slow down or speed up. In fact, none of Newton's laws of motion or any other scientific law "causes" anything to happen.

Newton's Third Law calls for an equal and opposite reaction when two masses come together. The equal and opposite reaction of the upper floor mass hitting the solid mass of floors below would have stopped the falling mass if explosives hadn't pulverized the previously solid mass of lower floors.
Nov 23, 2017 17:40:30   #
emarine wrote:
All you provide is the misinformation from David Chandlers YouTube videos brainwashing the ignorant with his false conclusions... Here's what everyone knows but you..

In conclusion, David Chandler's physics underestimates the dynamic impacts by a factor of 100. If the first impact alone were represented by a 100-story skyscraper, Chandler's estimate of that force would be a one-story house. And it gets even worse for subsequent impacts.

The top "9/11 Truth Physicist" severely underestimates the forces of the actual impacts.
The most important calculation of "9/11 Truth Physics" is invalidated by a fundamental error that would earn a typical freshman physics student a failing grade.

But, it's important to realize that David Chandler's careful measurements actually validate the gravitational-collapse model discussed in these pages.

In a paper called The Missing Jolt: A Simple Refutation of the NIST-Bazant Collapse Hypothesis, Graeme MacQueen and Tony Szamboti argue that the "jolts" of the impact should be obvious on velocity charts like this one. But, just like Chandler with his 5 samples per second, MacQueen and Szamboti, using just 6 samples per second, have a big "Mr. Magoo" problem. Their time step is so large, they can't possibly see the jolts. By the end of the 4-second fall, the jolts are coming in more often than Chandler's or Szamboti's samples! In the gravitational collapse model (blue curve), the sample resolution of 30 frames per second is enough to see the jolts, one for each impact. While the ideal model model shows jolts clearly, in real life, they will be much harder to observe, because of noise (atmospheric fluctuations, camera shaking, digitization noise), as well as having to take time derivatives of positions to extract velocity and acceleration.
All you provide is the misinformation from David C... (show quote)

All your bullshit is moot because there were no jolts. If all the lower floors had not been pulverized by explosives, there would have been one huge jolt. As the upper mass started to fall, it was pulverized by explosives as well. By the time the upper floor debris reached the previously undamaged lower floors, 80% to 90% of all the mass of the towers was being ejected outward from the tower. There was nothing left to crush the lower floors except the explosives which were being detonated in sequence down the towers at 2/3rds free-fall speed. Watch it happen:

Nov 23, 2017 17:00:07   #
emarine wrote:
The laws of science don't lie... if you don't completely understand all of them you might rethink your position when forming your opinions or remain a tool of misinformation & hatred... we do have our choices...

I understand Newton's third law of motion.
You understand it enough to know that it would have caused the falling masses in both towers to slow down instead of speeding up.
Newton's third law would have caused the falling masses to either stop or fall off to one side.
Since you know that, you are deliberately lying about it.
No wonder you have to hide behind cowardly anonymity.

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You open up their hearts, and here's what you'll find
A few frozen pizzas, some ice cubes with hair
A broken popsicle, you don't wanna go there

Some humans ain't human, though they walk like we do
They live and they breath, just to turn the old screw
They screw you when your sleepin', they try to screw you blind
Some humans ain't human, some people ain't kind
Nov 23, 2017 16:52:28   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Can you prove that "the Arabs didn't go through airport security on 9/11"?

The process of getting aboard a commercial flight involves a hell of lot more than simply showing up on an airport video.

The flights that hit the twin towers (AA11 and UA175) originated at Boston Logan airport. Prior to 9/11, there were no surveillance cameras at Boston Logan airport.

FYI: 1991-2000: Airport Later Used by Ten Hijackers Has Poor Security Record and Lacks Surveillance Cameras

Data compiled by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) shows that over this period Boston’s Logan Airport has one of the worst records for security among major US airports. Flight 11 and Flight 175 depart from Logan on 9/11. While it is only America’s eighteenth busiest airport, it has the fifth highest number of security violations. FAA agents testing its passenger screening are able to get 234 guns and inert hand grenades and bombs past its checkpoint guards or through its X-ray machines. Though it is possible that the high number of violations is because the FAA tests more frequently at Logan than elsewhere, an official later quoted by the Boston Globe says lax security is the only explanation, as all checkpoints at every major airport are meant to be tested monthly. In contrast, Newark Airport, from where Flight 93 departs on 9/11, has an above average security record. Washington’s Dulles Airport, from where Flight 77 takes off, is below average, though not as bad as Logan. Officials familiar with security at Logan will, after 9/11, point to various flaws. For example, the State Police office had no video surveillance of the airport’s security checkpoints, boarding gates, ramp areas, or perimeter entrances. [Boston Globe, 9/26/2001]

Security cameras had been put into use at most US airports in the mid-1980s. When Virginia Buckingham takes over as executive director of Massachusetts Port Authority in 1999, she is surprised at the lack of cameras at Logan, and orders them that year. Yet by 9/11, they still will not have been installed. [Boston Herald, 9/29/2001; Boston Globe, 9/30/2001] In spite of Logan’s poor security record, after 9/11 the Boston Globe will report, “Aviation specialists have said it is unlikely that more rigorous attention to existing rules would have thwarted the 10 hijackers who boarded two jets at Logan on Sept. 11.”


"WTC7 fell just like a classic controlled demolition."

When you say something is "like" or "just like", you are using a simile. A simile is a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid.

WTC7 was struck in 5 places by debris when the North Tower collapsed. The most damaging occurred across 18 floors near the SW corner. As Captain Chris Boyle, Engine 94, described it "on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post."

Fire chief Daniel Nigro said further assessment of the damage indicated that it was severe: "The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged building. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt."

Deputy Chief Peter Hayden, Division 1, added, "...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse."

Firehouse magazine interviewer: Was there heavy fire in there right away?

Hayden: "No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety."

WTC7 was severely damaged by falling debris, it was set on fire, the fires burned unchecked for nearly 7 hours, and it collapsed. New York's professional firefighters saw the collapse coming. I"ll put my money on them rather than the fallacious claims of a bunch of conspiracy theorists.
Can you prove that "the Arabs didn't go throu... (show quote)

If, as you claim, no security cameras existed at Boston Logan Airport, the reason would be that Boston Logan's security was handled by an Israel corporation:
This is just more evidence against Israel being involved in the planning and execution of 9/11.

Washington Dulles airport had in the neighborhood of 300 security cameras. Where are those videos? Please don't post that fake video which has been manipulated and has no time date stamp or any indication of where it was located.

Please show readers photos of the alleged damage which brought WTC7 down. WTC7 stood for 7-1/2 hours after the South Tower fell. There was plenty of time for photos to be taken from every angle. Why are those photos being withheld?
The puny fires which are claimed to have caused WTC to collapse.

Nov 23, 2017 15:45:23   #
emarine wrote:
I choose anonymity because of pure "logic" something you don't comprehend ... my choice is personal & has no bearing on physical law or proven fact... more issues you don't comprehend... You must prove any revision of physical law... in reality you try and argue theory's you can't prove... this is simple fact... repetition VS fact never revised anything without conclusive proof... you don't make the rules of law we all live by in America or the scientific community worldwide ... All You provide are your opinions & propaganda while hard selling on who you choose to blame... so in all reality all you provide is that larry payne has many opinions that he can't prove no matter how hard you try ... While you accuse me of mass murder ... my reply ... Hatred and intolerance are bred in ignorance.... get it yet?...
I choose anonymity because of pure "logic&quo... (show quote)

Once again you refuse to give a valid reason for hiding your identity.
Claiming it's logical or that it's personal is just another bogus dodge.
The truth is what it has always been.
You don't want the lies you post here to be connected to who you really are.
If you posted the truth you wouldn't have to hide.
Some humans ain't human . . .
Nov 23, 2017 14:45:31   #
Super Dave wrote:
Who said NAZIs have no talent?

I'm not one of these Nazis. Are you?

Nov 23, 2017 14:41:10   #
emarine wrote:
The fact that you try & sell readers that the name larry payne is in fact "credible" is as ignorant as the crap you post... Fact is you're devoid of facts...but you're winning because your name is larry payne?... I do enjoy humor but work off logic & reason...more issues you are totally devoid of... How's your Turkey coming?... thanks for sharing some of your music as it reflects much of your life... Here is one that I've enjoyed for decades...I hope that you can learn to enjoy it too... this is my personal heavy weather song...
The fact that you try & sell readers that the ... (show quote)

It's not so much that my name being known gives me credibility.
It's your refusal to identify yourself which you can't explain that puts your credibility into question--that and the fact that you spend countless hours attempting to cover up the crimes of mass murderers. John Prine has a song which might describe you:
Nov 23, 2017 12:20:53   #
emarine wrote:
Ok time to face fact, something you also can't seem to comprehend... I will once again help you out...

noun: fact; plural noun: facts
a thing that is indisputably the case

Pyane1000 is not your real name, this is a Fact... larry pane is so you "now" claim... payne1000 is nothing but a half truth same as everything you post as Fact... You never exposed the name larry payne until Dave did as you now admit ... I personally think what Dave did was wrong but that's not the issue here... You clearly intended to remain anonymous here on OPP or you would have used your real name to begin with... This simple fact proves you to be a total fraud & liar based on Fact not bullshit... this is how things work in reality...reality, a place you don't comprehend ... This is why I chose music for you... it is very real but it makes no difference in reality... the polar opposite of engineering physics & natural law... enjoy your Turkey payne1000...
Ok time to face fact, something you also can't see... (show quote)

Your continuous babbling is designed to obfuscate the fact that I don't hide my identity like you have always done.
If you exposed your identity, all the lies you post would be connected to who you are in real life.
Now that would be a big problem for you, wouldn't it?
Try posting the truth and it won't matter if readers know your name.
Nov 23, 2017 10:59:46   #
cold iron wrote:
Say, you make great cartoons. You also a very sick.

Admin deletes posts by sick people.
Nov 23, 2017 09:26:36   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
The Arabs had keys to the towers, the keys were 48 meters long, 47 meters wide, 5 meters in diameter and weighed 180,000 kilograms. The Arabs unlocked walls and windows on floors 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, and 98 in the North Tower and floors 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83. 84 and 85 in the South Tower. It was easy access and the Zionist couldn't possibly have stopped them. Some say the "Zionist" wasn't even there that morning, that he only showed up later. The Arabs would have been charged with illegal entry if they hadn't killed themselves in the process. If the crazy bastards hadn't been so damned zealous about getting in the towers, things might have gone much better for everyone.

BTW, payne, there have been many liars throughout history, infamous liars, we know their real names, some of them are your role models.
The Arabs had keys to the towers, the keys were 48... (show quote)

Since the Arabs didn't go through airport security on 9/11, how did they acquire control of what you claim to be "keys" to the towers?
They obviously didn't have the "keys" to WTC7. It fell just like a classic controlled demolition.
The most infamous liars on this forum hide their real names. My name is Larry Payne. What's yours?
Nov 23, 2017 09:20:38   #
emarine wrote:
don't care what your name was on some photography site that you were kicked off for annoying everyone with your personal hate views... I'm still looking @ payne1000 in front of me not larry payne... this is another simple issue & fact... you can try & twist reality all you want but it's still all the same bullshit to me...

You continue to falsely claim my username is not my real name when it is. Numbers after the name does not change the name.
I've never refused to state my full name. You will not give any name at all to back up all the lies you post here.
It's obvious who is twisting reality here.
Nov 23, 2017 09:13:00   #
Super Dave wrote:
A job that has no end...

It's likely you both will be terminated for incompetence.

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