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May 29, 2017 19:00:46   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
No explanation is necessary. The steel columns DID IN FACT fail and the towers DID IN FACT collapse catastrophically, and, other than THE FACT that a bunch of suicidal maniacs crashed big jets into them, the towers came down without any human intervention whatsoever.

When you say no explanation is necessary, you're admitting you can't explain why the columns failed.
The only possible explanation involves explosives.
Skyscrapers don't fall from fire damage. The Twin Towers were designed to survive the impact of airliners . . . and they did.
Hundreds of skyscrapers have fallen from controlled demolition.
Three more fell from controlled demolition on 9/11.

May 29, 2017 18:51:08   #
Steve700 wrote:
Actually, in all fairness (although as a general rule) you are FAR More Correct than these deniers, it is obvious that in that poster photo the buildings are at a stage of near completion with the construction crane still in place, No interior room dividing walls constructed yet allowing the sun to shine all the way through the building.

There was obviously some see through in the original photo. Digital editing programs such as Photoshop make it very easy to enhance the see-thru effect.
I'm sure that's what was done in the photo used for the movie poster to make it appear more dramatic.
In the photos below, the top photo is unretouched. The lower photo has had the fire enhanced in Photoshop.
I suspect this is what has been done to the photos BR keeps posting where the flames are much brighter than on other photos.

May 29, 2017 18:26:05   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
For a guy who claims to have worked with architects, you certainly are ignorant of the intricacies of building construction, not to mention your complete ignorance of Physics. What did you do for these architects? Were you just a gofer with a camera?

You can play this "No Fires Only Explosives" tune and you can continue to strum it with butchered scientific laws til hell freezes, but it is all just a trip through the Twilight Zone. Your theory and your beliefs are not even remotely close to the facts.
For a guy who claims to have worked with architect... (show quote)

You fail to explain how or why the steel columns failed from the small random fires which did not cover any floor entirely.
None of you shills have been able to explain how columns with 2200% reserve strength could be weakened enough to collapse catastrophically.
You are reduced to denial without rebuttal and insults. That's the behavior of a loser.
May 29, 2017 15:07:09   #
eagleye13 wrote:
"You fail to recognize that Democrats are not real progressives." - payne
They vote in lock step

"They were installed in office with AIPAC money and influence." - payne

Top Illuminati Grand Wizard: “We Control Islam and We'll Use It to Destroy the West.” (WW3)
(For the root of the planning, go to minute 6)

The Dems vote in the same manner as the Repubs.
AIPAC scripts their votes.
May 29, 2017 15:02:08   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
I knew you would once again reinvent the laws of physics to fit your agenda. You sure as hell didn't disappoint. This statement is the key to your fallacy. I'll keep it simple, the floors in the towers were horizontal slabs. The vertical columns, core and perimeter, SUPPORTED the weight of the floors. The floor truss system supported each individual floor and tied the core to the perimeter solely to stabilize the building. IOW, a single floor system in the tower was constructed to support ITS OWN WEIGHT plus the load upon it, they did not contribute to the overall vertical structural support. Once the vertical support failed and the building began to collapse, the floor systems, one right after another, were doomed.
I knew you would once again reinvent the laws of p... (show quote)

I didn't reinvent the laws of physics. I apply them as they exist.
You ask readers to assume that the steel column structures failed without explaining how or why they failed.
The outer wall columns were designed with 2200% reserve strength. The center core columns were designed with 400% reserve strength.
Small random fires which did not cover any floor entirely could not cause the columns to fail.
Both towers suffered catastrophic collapse accompanied by the sound of explosions and the formation of explosive debris clouds.
Only an idiot or a liar would think they fell for any reason other than controlled demolition.
May 29, 2017 11:47:34   #
eagleye13 wrote:
Checked it out. They are progressives running it. They can't be trusted with anything. Progressives leak like sieves. Have you seen how Obama left overs are leaking anything they wish with impunity. They have been given immunity so far.

You fail to recognize that Democrats are not real progressives. They were installed in office with AIPAC money and influence.
Most Democrats are Zionist stooges. The ones who aren't don't get re-elected.
May 29, 2017 10:37:36   #
@ emarine, BR and Amadjuster:

Here's another political forum I visit occasionally.
Go to the comment section and note how much more intelligent the comments are on OpEd News.
Notice how many thumbs up Lawrence Klein gets for his rant in support of Israel.
Notice how many thumbs up I get.

Lawrence needs your help. Maybe you three should sign up on OEN and see how well you can operate when you are vastly outnumbered.
May 29, 2017 09:26:12   #
[quote=Blade_Runner]Newton's 3rd Law is stated thus: For every ACTION, there is an equal and opposite REACTION. We good so far?

Newton's third law of motion is naturally applied to collisions between two objects. In a collision between two objects, both objects experience forces that are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction. Such forces often cause one object to speed up (gain momentum) and the other object to slow down (lose momentum). According to Newton's third law, the forces on the two objects are equal in magnitude. While the forces are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction, the accelerations of the objects are not necessarily equal in magnitude. In accord with Newton's second law of motion, the acceleration of an object is dependent upon both FORCE AND MASS. Thus, if the colliding objects have unequal mass, they will have unequal accelerations as a result of the contact force that results during the collision. On the North Tower, the 90 undamaged floors underneath the 20 falling floors had 4-1/2 times the mass of the falling floors. So the floors below exerted 4-1/2 times as much force as the falling floors in a direction opposite to the direction the floors were falling..

In the game of golf, consider the collision between the club head and the golf ball. When the club head of a moving golf club collides with a golf ball at rest upon a tee, the force experienced by the club head is equal to the force experienced by the golf ball. Most observers of this collision have difficulty with this concept because they perceive the high speed given to the ball as the result of the collision. They are not observing unequal forces upon the ball and club head, but rather unequal accelerations. Both club head and ball experience equal forces, yet the ball experiences a greater acceleration due to its smaller mass. In a collision, there is a force on both objects that causes an acceleration of both objects. The forces are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction, yet the least massive object receives the greatest acceleration. In your analogy, the club head would represent the 90 undamaged floors below. The golf ball would represent the 20 floors which fell. The golf ball is propelled away from the club head. That would mean the 20 floor's mass would move upward instead of downward.

Consider the collision between a moving cue ball and an eight ball that is at rest in the sport of table pool. When the cue ball collides with the eight ball, each ball experiences an equal force directed in opposite directions. The moving cue ball experiences a force that causes it to slow down; the eight ball experiences a force that causes it to accelerate. Since the two balls have equal masses, they will also experience equal accelerations. In a collision, there is a force on both objects that causes an acceleration of both objects; the forces are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction. For collisions between objects of equal mass, each object experiences the same acceleration. Take six pool balls and line them up along a rail of the pool table. Roll a single ball along the rail hitting one end of the six balls. How many balls roll away at the other end? Take two balls and roll them into the 6 ball lineup. How many balls roll away on the other end? You'll find that the same number of balls will roll away at the other end as the number of balls which were rolled into them. This demonstrates the second part of Newton's Third Law . . . The size of the forces on the first object equals the size of the force on the second object. The mass of 20 floors would not have the force to demolish any more than 20 floors. Take away the explosives and there would have been at least 70 floors still standing.

Consider the collision between the windshield in a 3000 pound car traveling 60mph and a 1 gram bug flying in the opposite direction at 5 mph. When the bug collides with the windshield, both the bug and the windshield experience equal and opposite forces, yet the bug experiences a greater acceleration due to its considerably smaller mass. In a collision, there is a force on both objects that causes an acceleration of both objects. The forces are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction, yet the least massive object receives the greatest acceleration.
Therefore the 1 gram bug gets the worst of the deal, it gets accelerated in the opposite direction it was flying. The windshield hardly felt a thing, in never slowed down a fraction. All it needed was some cleaning. Your analogy here has the 20 falling floors represented as a bug. It has the 90 undamaged floors below represented as a 3000 pound car traveling at 60 mph. In this situation the 20 floors would have been propelled halfway to the moon.

Take whatever time you need and ponder this concept. And apply it to the collapse of a WTC tower.

Consider the North Tower.

Here are some hints.
1) The mass above the point of collapse initiation weighed 67,500 tons. The undamaged floors below weighed 432,700 tons.
2) The 67,500 ton mass DID NOT collapse on all the floors below instantaneously. It hit ONE FLOOR at a time. (Each floor had a mass of approximately 4500 tons.)The 67,500 ton mass could not have collapsed at all since the fires did not cover any floor entirely. Any partial collapse would have been an uneven collapse and not straight down.
3) Obviously, the 67,500 ton mass and the 4500 ton mass of the first floor hit WERE NOT of equal mass. The first floor hit was not a separate entity. It was firmly connected to the same structure which had supported the weight of the upper floors for over half a century.
4) As the tower collapsed, the falling mass gained both mass and momentum. Newton's Third Law totally disagrees.
5) As the collapsing tower gained more mass and momentum, the inequality of the opposing masses increased. It was almost like a bug hitting a windshield. You finally got something right. The 20 floors would be the bug and the 90 undamaged floors would be the windshield.
May 29, 2017 08:37:33   #
emarine wrote:
No this is...the largest lightest structure of the time...

I've shown before that your retouched photo was produced for a movie poster.
Here's what the towers really look like when the sun is behind them:

May 28, 2017 18:46:38   #
emarine wrote:
Back to the block head theory putz... Still trying to pass off tube structures as solid blocks...
This is your tube structure . . .

This is the solid block . . . a steel building inside a steel building . . .

May 28, 2017 18:37:05   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Project much?

Only in the warped mind of a truther does that collapse show "all the characteristics of being blown up with powerful explosives". Science and facts are irrelevant to you fruitcakes.

Newton's Third law says the falling top section should have received an equal and opposite reaction. There was none. That means all the resistance of all those floors underneath the top sections had been removed. The only force which could remove that resistance is powerful explosives. Watch how smoothly the top section comes down.
No equal and opposite reaction happened.
May 28, 2017 18:30:05   #
emarine wrote:
Isn't the visible presence of explosive debris clouds proof of chemical explosives?... No...

Those who understand what they see might disagree.

May 28, 2017 18:28:12   #
emarine wrote:
Your quote putz... time to prove it with the math...The outer column structure was designed to have 2200% reserve strength. The center core was designed to have 400% reserve strength... let's see what you got liar...

Famous scientist Richard Feynman said, "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong."

May 28, 2017 17:03:04   #
Noraa wrote:
Wrong! I didn't have to answer you Worried did that just fine.

Worried can't answer for you.
Worried showed I was against Zionism.
Zionism is a political movement which is the closest to Nazism in the world today.
Would criticizing Nazism be the same as criticizing Germans?

May 28, 2017 16:59:08   #
amadjuster wrote:
How much more can explosive is 5/8" blastwall (IMI secret drywall) than conventional 1/2"? Perhaps the detonators are disguised as piss ants (cleaver those crafty Israelis). You'd better check your house's walls.

You're getting off track. Go back to finding ways the Israelis did it.
Check out the Israeli art students who were given free access to the Towers.
Check out the 5 dancing Israelis, one of whom admitted to being experienced in explosive ordnance.
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