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Mar 21, 2017 10:47:32   #
eagleye13 wrote:
Yep, Bevos! The Libs/Left are desperate; and it becomes more obvious as the weeks go by.

That sounds like some wishful thinking... ;)
Mar 21, 2017 10:46:03   #
woodssprite 17 wrote:
You people are really dumb! There it is laid out for you. What the Flim Flam man did to his own supporters. Are you really to stupid to see it for yourself or are you one of those who slavishly hang on Trump's every lie? If so I pity you. You deserve who and what you voted in.

This has been coming up a lot lately in public discussions. It's pretty clear that Trump is screwing the economic class that voted for him and yet they can't see it. It's tempting to call it stupidity and to some extent I think that's accurate, but some credit needs to go to the amazing propaganda machine being funded by the 1%. That machine actually has people snarling at the very things that would help them and voting for the very people that will make things worse for them. Trump is the Walrus in the story of the Walrus and the Carpenter where he used rhetoric to lead a bed of oysters to their demise.
Mar 21, 2017 09:50:06   #
eagleye13 wrote:
Just say NO to the NWO. It is happening.

Dude, it's been happening for the last 200 years. The British Empire was a hegemonic world order in the 19th century and most of what made America "great" in the 20th century was in fact the New World Order that FDR created on the heels of WW2 and it was exactly that New World Order, based on arrangements like Bretton-Woods, best recognized as "neoliberalism", that the Soviets opposed in the Cold War... calling it imperialism, which is not totally inaccurate.

eagleye13 wrote:

The banking cabal, and their wealth is aligned against the freedom movement.

Always has been.

eagleye13 wrote:

Debt slavery must be understood and abolished.

Understanding it shouldn't be difficult, abolishing it is whole 'nother story. The reason why debt is America's #1 export is because our capitalist system is entirely based on debt slavery. There is no way in hell you can make a real move against debt slavery without going through a line of right-wing conservatives that will be convinced you are a socialist.

eagleye13 wrote:

Nation governments are to be sovereign. That includes their currencies. Print US Notes here, not "Federal" Reserve Notes.

Good example... Look at what happened to Saddam Husein when he suggested moving an alternative to the Federal Reserve Note for oil trade.
Mar 21, 2017 09:35:49   #
Ricktloml wrote:
It is odd that leftists will excuse, defend and tolerate any violence, the systematic rape of conquered women as part of jihad, and murder itself, for Islam, but have no tolerance of anyone who disagrees with them

No one on the left is defending the systematic rape of conquered women anywhere and groups like ISIS that do these things ARE decidedly religious AND extreme right, as characterized by their refusal of foreign elements and their enforcement of religious tradition. Meanwhile, the left is defending the 1st Amendment right for anyone in America to practice Islam within the confines of the law. Totally different things.
Mar 21, 2017 09:23:19   #
peter11937 wrote:
Watch your language, my Ancestors were Vikings! They civilized the former Roman colony and gave the Enlist the spirit they carried thru WW2, but things see to have broken down some since...maybe Brexit is a rebirth, we'll have to see.....

Having English/Scottish blood myself there's a good chance some of it is Viking... they did integrate, but I don't know if the English (Anglo-Saxons) at the time, who were already Christians, would have agreed the pagan Vikings brought civilization but I think they brought a few things to the table nevertheless, such as one of the earliest forms for socialism, not to mention equality for women which was very odd to Christians.

As for Brexit... I think that was a mistake. That's the problem with popular referendums... so many times, voters are riding on "spirit" without actually thinking things through. There's been a lot of similar movements throughout Europe and it seems they are all starting to back off now after seeing what's happening with Brexit. But as you say... we'll see.
Mar 21, 2017 09:02:58   #
Big Bass wrote:
It takes NO courage to be a sniveling coward.

No, but it takes courage to strap on a bomb knowing it's going to blow you up.

Here's the thing... I understand the use of accurate language. Bill Mahr was 100% correct in saying the 9/11 attackers were NOT "cowards" like Bush said they were. I mean regardless of everything else (I'm sure they were convinced they were the "good guys"... doing God's), would YOU high-jack a plane and fly it into a skyscraper?
Just saying... that takes balls.

None of this means I actually like them or that I support what they do. F*ck THAT sh!t.

I'm just being accurate, albeit colorful with my language.
Mar 20, 2017 23:44:05   #
Big Bass wrote:
Perhaps you should be blaming the church, not Jesus.

I didn't think it would be possible to get what I said... "contrast between the teaching of Jesus Christ and the politics of the various Churches", completely backwards but there we go.
Nevertheless, I'll make it clear as possible... I *do* blame the churches and like many secular Americans, I'm totally down with the teachings of Jesus Christ. It's this contrast (in fact the whole Catholic vs Protestant conversation) that allows me to see that from a distance, we might see Islam as a single-minded obsession, but they have major contrasts of their own and if we want to be aware of threats from that part of the world then we would do better to narrow the focus instead of blaming an entire religion.

Big Bass wrote:

Even the pope is getting involved in politics, and I agree this is wrong. Also, many attendees at church are there to be seen, rather than to worship. And I agree that nobody has the right to force their religion on anybody. (I say one of two things to any Jehovah's witness who makes the mistake of coming to my front door, "I'm a hematologist," or "Can't talk now, I'm off to give blood.") But I will always respect their right to believe whatever they want.

I just tell them I'm not interested.
Good point about the motive to be seen - I've seen that. Church for a lot of people is a social event anyway and I'm not going to knock it. People need social settings. I grew up Episcopalian - that was all social gathering, but I also saw how the "Sunday party people" came together to help and support any one of them in need. And there was still the sermons and the ceremonies.

Meanwhile, in the jungles of Africa you have a group of bloodthirsty savages wrapping their automatic weapons with rosary beads and calling themselves the Lord's Resistance Army. I come from the group of Christians that encouraged children to act in Christmas plays, not the group of Christians that encouraged children to kill strangers.

I guess I've made my point. ;)
Mar 19, 2017 03:34:17   #
eagleye13 wrote:
Cows With Guns

OK... that was good.
Mar 19, 2017 03:29:03   #
woodssprite 17 wrote:
What are you afraid of? It couldn't be free speech now could it? Only uneducated blow hards have to resort to calling people names. Go back to your sand box and call your fellow toddlers names untill you are purple in the face with rage. Let the adults discuss topics of interest. Be good and run along now.

Ya just gotta ignore him. AO is kind of like a village drunk. Harmless... rants and insults.
Mar 19, 2017 03:22:13   #
woodssprite 17 wrote:
That seems to be the "style" here. Blow hards who only want to spout their agendas and don't want to or are incapable of extending the courtesy of reading what other people post. I find your posts most informative thank you.

Thank you woodssprite... There's a few of us that make the effort. It's unfortunate that these places do seem to get flooded with blow-hards. I guess it should expected when you make the mode of communication more accessible as the Internet does. 20 years ago these people would not be heard at all because they lack the literary skills to make it into the published world. Today all channels are open and even the barely-functioning can hit a few keys and grunt across the globe. Still, they have as much right to be here as we do.
Mar 19, 2017 03:00:07   #
Bevos wrote:
I said that it was a "rant" because the ones I DID read weeks ago were all just that. RANTS!!

Uh-huh... Well, if you actually did read them you would notice they are essentially news clippings... cut and pasted from whatever sources he's reading. So they're not exactly rants.

Bevos wrote:

And you can call me names all you want, but ANYBODY with a brain KNOWS that that is what Liberals DO!!! They call everyone that disagrees with them, exactly what they "themselves" ARE!!!

I didn't even CALL you any any names... I said... "I guess that's a tall order for someone who scrolls past a series of posts and says "I did not read a word of them", what? ...That's a name? YOU'RE the one who said you didn't read any of it.

Bevos wrote:


I bet... all that back-peddling must be exhausting.
Mar 19, 2017 02:46:43   #
Bevos wrote:
You are SUCH A LIAR!! IF you have Ins. Then WHY are you paying the Penalty??

Who said I'm paying the penalty? I SAID... I would RATHER pay the penalty than the higher premium... what part of that do you NOT understand?
Mar 18, 2017 16:40:15   #
cesspool jones wrote:
Which one straps bombs to themselves?

The courageous ones I guess.
Mar 18, 2017 16:39:42   #
peter11937 wrote:
Islam states that it is more than religion, but all three branches of government too. Not to mention judge, jury and executioner. Hold the view that all this can be imposed and should be imposed by any means necessary. Moreover, non believers may be killed may be killed, their women enslaved, their property stolen at the whim of the believers in Islam.

Pointing to a book of lies doesn't make your lies true.
Mar 18, 2017 16:35:34   #
peter11937 wrote:
This attitude went back to the reformation. Even Shakespear's line " Get thee to a Nunnery!" shows the prejudice as the Protestant's thought that Nuns were prostitutes for the Pope and the hierarchy of the Catholic church. As Christians were forbidden from loaning money ad getting interest lead to "Neither a borrower nor a lender be!" encapsulated the anti Semitism of the era as a Jew was free to loan at interest, so you'd be borrowing from a Jew who would be taking advantage and if you were a Christian, your money would be at risk of loss but no chance of gain, so do not lend money. Dishonest propaganda o both sides lead to the conflict
and eventual oppression of Irish Catholic and the "troubles". Thus up with Michael Collins, down with the Crown, the Orange and the Green in conflict...... Yet the killing, tho brutal, was pretty light little more that 3500 in the 20th Century.
This attitude went back to the reformation. Even S... (show quote)

Ireland isn't the only theater in this conflict between Christian factions resulting from the reformation. The reformation started in Germany and it resulted in quite a bit of killing there too. A few posts ago, I mentioned the English Civil War which was fought over the reformation. You are correct in saying dishonest propaganda on both sides led to the conflict but that conflict was mostly between the Irish people themselves, some who were Protestant (Orange) and some who were Catholics (Green).

The "oppression of Irish Catholics" was a separate issue that goes back to the 12th century, when the English were still Catholics themselves and the provisions of the Papal Bull Laudabiliter, issued by Adrian IV in 1155 charged the English Crown with authority over Ireland. So it was the Roman Catholic Church itself that gave Ireland to England in the first place. It's suspected that this had a lot to do with the fact that pagan Vikings were attacking Christian monasteries throughout the British Isles and English just happened to be the strongest counter Rome had at the time.

What followed was centuries of conflict between Irish liberation and English rule that often gets tangled up in conflicts between the Irish themselves, the conflict between Protestants and Catholics being the most recent.
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