Oh you poor, poor pitiful white man, you've been so victimized... haven't you?

Oh contraier, that would be corporate capitalism. If this were to happen, expect daycare to go up exponentially, to where only the very well paid can afford it, what next to single women who can barely afford childcare out of their wages as it is. Guess they will have to stay home and care for their children and be a ward of the state, or do they simply starve in the street?

Maybe they just haven't thought this out.

One definition of a politician~ a person who acts in a manipulative and devious way, typically to gain advancement within an organization. I'd say he's definitely one, now being president he is unequivocally one to the nth degree. We do live in the present, do we not?

But to justify any and all lies to be righteous, because you believe it to be for the betterment of the country, builds a foundation in deception and sand and aligns itself in corruption, sad you don't see that and to believe that such a man deserves your devotion and loyalty and speaks of your own moral conviction...lacking.

Ok, so for the most part, we are on the same page. If you think you don't matter, you won't matter. If we stand up together, we definitely matter. Who we put in office definitely matters especially in our state representatives. The trick is to get nonpartisan people in there who as you pointed out don't put party before country, I am completely with you there Arch. I will never be a party member again...F'm.

But what does happen in Congress is what we allow to happen. Now isn't the time to throw our hands up and say fuckitall, now is when we start to stand up and say that's not happening on our watch any longer, to get more involved to see what our representatives are doing and Not vote them back in if they aren't for us.

The kids today are having this fed up attitude including my 17 year old son, with the disgusted attitude of "it doesn't matter". He's wrong Arch and so are you...it does matter...very much, otherwise you might as well give them this country on a silver platter. Isn't this country worth fighting for? Worth the hassle? I'm fairly certain it does matter to you, you're just feeling a bit disgusted...understandable, me too at times but we have to brush ourselves off and keep going.

The framers of our constitution tried to put laws and rules in place in an attempt to ward off corruption with gifts, favors, and money, we should be not only enforcing that more but extending it domestically, including and especially with a lobbyist. It isn't being put in a bill because all of them don't want to shoot the golden goose. We need people to pledge they will do it when in office. Money is a cancer to our governing, we need to pinch off, stop the flow, then it will correct itself. JMHO

I see them for the work that their manipulations do which is very much against our American ideology. If you want to include Soros go right ahead or whomever you see fit. But let me ask you, who do you think was behind "corporations are people too". Have you bought into that premise?

...and if anyone is party before country it is the corporate party...

It makes no sense what's so ever because he's quoting Trump, guess says it all...

Trump just redistributed the wealthy from the ACA and his so called tax breaks to give the tax breaks to the wealthy, giving them less tax on dividends, while we are still in debt from the Bush unpaid war. He's also done this without any incentive to be repaid to the government with moving ahead with sustainable energy and staying competitive but none of that has happened with Trump has it, that shows his true intention right there, not to improving and building the US, but the true globalists... the elite wealthy, who really have no loyalty to any country except to themselves, People as the Trumps, Koch's, Popes, Murdock's, so and so on. The only thing that motivates them is money for power.

No not at all, the methodical turtle wins the race, Mueller is making sure it'll be ironclad.

Pure as the driven snow, the Clintons combined don't even come close to Trump, they're not even in the same category of depravity.

Neither one, the Clintons or Obama ever came close to what Trump is doing presently and does it so arrogantly blatantly, it must be nice to rule in Congress with the majority.



Yes they've made money through speeches and books, not as a conflict of interest with being in office.

I find my statement to be quite reasonable, if you find them strange, so be it.

I'm assuming you know the difference between unethical and illegal but possibly not. This is the way of Trump and his cronies to find loopholes and manipulations they can do without being technically illegal, but they pay a lot of lawyers to get this job done so they are able to make their money by hook or by crook, hence Trump, his Presidency and his international chain of hotels.

Trump promised to divest himself — or to walk away — from his business while in office. The main reason, of course, is to avoid conflicts of interest.
The president has many business dealings which continue to earn him money in violation of the constitution. Trump is actively profiting from the presidency, which is something that the framers never intended.
They had tried to prevent this type of self-interested corruption in the Articles of Confederation. Article I, Section 9, Clause 8. They created this to prevent the very thing that Trump is doing.
He’s refused to divest — and the lawsuits have poured in.
We still have never seen his tax return, another lie of his and more covert dealings with foreign countries.

According to the Trump campaign's self-reported FEC filings, this has amounted to about $600,000 spent at Trump-owned properties in just the first six months of his presidency.

[Nearly $400,000 of that campaign money went to rent at Trump Tower, with $90,000 going to the The Trump Corporation for "legal consulting," nearly $60,000 to the Trump International Golf Club, $15,000 to the Trump International Hotel in DC, and about $1,700 to Trump-brand bottled water, among various payments. And that's just the money that went to businesses in which Trump has a personal role. The Trump campaign has spent a total of $10 million in the last six months; any shell companies and subsidiaries of other Trump-owned businesses that may have gotten a piece of that don't have to be disclosed.

What's more, this number doesn't include the more nebulous (and almost certainly larger) total spent on Trump's businesses simply by virtue of Trump being president. According to filings released last month by the Office of Government Ethics (whose director, Walter Shaub, quit earlier this month in protest of the executive branch's refusal to obey ethical norms) Trump's seen the income from his properties increase by tens of millions of dollars since he started campaigning. And the Trump family seems happy to do their part to help that along. After his election victory, Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort doubled its initiation fee to $200,000.

Not to mention the fact that any time either Trump or his family members stay at any Trump property (which they often do), the Secret Service is paying a Trump business for the privilege of accompanying them. For instance, The Washington Post reported that, of the $60 million in additional funding the Secret Service has requested for next year, $26.8 million would go toward protecting Trump's family in Trump Tower. And since the inauguration, the Secret Service has spent over $35,000 on Trump-owned golf cart rentals alone. Trump, of course, could easily choose to waive those fees if he so desired. As for the campaign front, the Republican National Committee held a $10 million re-election fund-raiser last month at the Trump International Hotel in DC—which, according to The New York Times, charged the RNC "regular prices" to use its facilities.

These sorts of expenses lining the president's own pocket is unprecedented.

That's a lot of assuming as far as who was denied. She is a lawyer, their jobs is finding loopholes, that is why we're in such a mess all over the place, from the courts to an iPhone "agreement". ha.

Let there be light, eh

Riiiiight, I'm just gonna sit back and wait for the next crash the GOP is going to put us in...again. I'd like to say he who laughs last, laughs the loudest, but I'm afraid we'll all be crying in our beer...

Off topic was insinuating I was all gloom and doom and unhappy, that's off topic. As far as the twist and turn, really, please clarify. Where did I say the bill will ruin us all, I would say that is your twist not mine, on the contrary, I said the elite will definitely benefit, I guess you must've missed that part. As far as the bill... we'll see won't we, time will tell.

Oh and as far as your wife's butt, ouch, btw you get more bees with honey, not vinegar. No sugar for you.

Getting back to those deductions, it wasn't left parroting but simply what I had last recalled, my bad. They had made some adjustments to the final bill, which included some deductions.

Hardly, I'm not about gloom and doom, more about responsibility, you know the junk the right spews but never does. You must be referring to the old global warming topic, and that is only one topic out of many. Once again you guys can never stay on topic, it always has to get personal huh, call me crazy but that doesn't sound very laid back to me.

Guess that's where we're different, again...speculating doesn't stress me out, it's not a problem, simply an issue that needs attention, unless of course, we choose NOT to remedy it.

You assume to know me from Opp...now that is funny...no hilarius