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Apr 1, 2020 00:29:51   #
CounterRevolutionary wrote:

Your progressive socialist Democrat president, Woodrow Wilson, backed by the KKK, created the Federal Reserve System, its 12 "private" banks eventually nationalized by FDR during the Great Depression's 1933 Emergency Banking Act (Glass-Steagall) and the 1935 Banking Act creating the FDIC and Comptroller of the Currency. These 2 bills you really aught to read to comprehend the government's huge takeover of our monetary system.

Wilson was on YOUR side not ours. The Democrats were the right-wing conservatives back then. I know you've heard of the big-switch and maybe you deny it, maybe you think political parties are always anchored to ideology, but you'd be wrong.

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

The Federal Reserve bank has bailed out countless "fascist" despots, socialist sand communist dictators since funding the Bolshevik Revolution and the rise of Hitler's NAZI National Socialist Worker's Party, never having been audited since its inception in 1913.

LOL - you folks can never say NAZI anymore without spelling it out to be sure the word "socialist" is prominent... Ever since Jonas Goldberg came out with that idiot book. It's so sophomoric. The fact is the Nazis stemmed from a time of economic depression and everyone was demanding socialism then. So any populist was going to make that promise, maybe even add it to the name of their entity, like the way North Korea is a Democratic Republic. The fact is, the Nazis implemented some socialist systems, just like FDR was doing in America. And from the perspective of a dictator, it doesn't matter what system they deploy as long as they're on top. Stalin would have been just as happy on top of a free-market economy. It's just that capitalists weren't creating revolutions and power vacuums; communists were.


CounterRevolutionary wrote:

You don't have to have a PhD to figure out Marx's bait and switch scheme of socialism, promising something for nothing, and nothing is what you get. It is the biggest hoax in all human history.

Actually, I would give that title to religion. But I agree that PhD wouldn't help anyone "see" Marx's "bait and switch". In fact, anyone smart enough to get a PhD would probably know the difference between Marx and Stalin.
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Mar 31, 2020 23:38:13   #
dtucker300 wrote:
What trajectory was that? Are you trying to say you are not as well off as you were four years ago?


No, I'm not any worse off than I was four years ago. I'm about the same. Things have been flat but stable for me for the last six years. When I say that, I am referring to my job stability and my income. My stock investments have been climbing for the past 6 years. So either way, Trump really made no difference. At least not to my situation.

How about you?
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Mar 31, 2020 23:27:22   #
dtucker300 wrote:
That's interesting because I see this same thing with the left. The far-right is just as wacky as the far-left. The problem to me is that too many people refer to Liberals when they should say leftists, and Conservatives when they mean the rightists. Liberals and Conservatives may have different views but they use and listen to reasonable and rational arguments from each other.

I do agree with you there. (except... I don't know why you capitalize liberal or conservative, they're not proper nouns).

I also wonder if that's part of the problem we have these days. People place too much emphasis on the importance of being liberal or conservative. I can be liberal about something one day and conservative about something else the next. I consider myself "mostly liberal" with respect to politics because I am "mostly" in favor of change and that's what liberal means. To be conservative is to resist change. Now for the proper nouns ;) ... I think in today's climate the "deep state" Democrats are more conservative than "Freedom Caucus" Republicans.
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Mar 31, 2020 23:09:16   #
JFlorio wrote:
Nice try troll. Too bad you really know nothing about cause and affect.

Look who's talking. ;)

JFlorio wrote:

Liar, the dow was at 19,827 when Odumbass left office.

Of course it was... Investors saw who was coming in.

JFlorio wrote:

You lefties sure are useful idi***. Obama didn't lead us to a health economy. He mustly stood in the way of having a robust economy.

That's not what historical records and charts say.

JFlorio wrote:

If you new anything about economic history you would know this bu hey, I can't fix what's wrong with you.

Is that your way of saying you can't explain any of your claims?

Look, I know Obama didn't single-handedly lead us to a healthy economy... Sometimes I say that just to annoy people, but I know presidents don't that have that much influence. They can set a few parameters but the rest is up to the market. In fact when the economy is growing (which it has been since 2012), presidents don't really have to do much at all. We could have had a potato for a president for the last 3 years and there would not have been much difference. The economy was already on auto-pilot. It's when the economy tanks that a president is faced with a challenge. Obama took over when the economy was in its worst condition since 1929 through no fault of his own. It would take a complete idiot to think the economy in 2016 is even comparable to what it was in 2008. Your denial is incredibly obvious.
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Mar 31, 2020 22:53:07   #
dtucker300 wrote:
A simple question was asked by Reagan. "Are you better off now that four years ago?" I am!

Thanks to the trajectory set by none other than Barack Obama!!!!!
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Mar 31, 2020 22:51:19   #
lindajoy wrote:
You know I have told you enough times that breaking up the paragraphs as you do make it impossible to line item a response so I don’t bother..

Once a person I felt posted with objectivity to indifference and stuck to the facts something changed. Intelligent with a great ability to Articulate you have joined the crowd of “follow the leader” instead of being a leader.
I am sorry for it as well..

We will agree to disagree to all the excuses thrown up between us and go about our day enjoying the pleasures of life in spite of all the BS everyone is so “overtly incensed about..”

I recently read this in another thread posted by Emily D !! I know its long but since your such an expert here, lets have your rebuttal to what is here~~ Should be very easy for you... And by the way have you contracted the virus?? I surely hope not. What did you do to keep from getting it?? Did you just self Quarantine you and your family right from the minute you heard China had a virus or were your actions gradual like the rest of the world as it became obvious in countries to follow?

So here is a list for you to ponder while Trump continues to help Americans, as he promised:

• President Trump declared a national emergency, inviting States, territories, and tribes to access over $42 billion in existing funding.
• Trump signed legislation securing $8.3 billion for coronavirus response.
• Trump signed the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, ensuring that American families and businesses impacted by the virus receive the strong support they need.
• To leverage the resources of the entire government, the president created a White House Coronavirus Task Force to coordinate response.
• Vice President Pence named Dr. Deborah Birx to serve as the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator.
• The president has held multiple teleconferences with our nation’s governors to coordinate response efforts and offer his full support.
• The president has approved major disaster declarations for impacted states like New York, Washington, and California.

TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS
• In January, Trump reacted quickly to implement travel restrictions on travel from China, buying us valuable time to respond to the virus.under much protest ad you may recall...
• The president has announced further travel restrictions on global hotspots, including Europe, the United Kingdom and Ireland, and Iran.
• American citizens returning from travel-restricted countries are being routed to specific airports, where they can be screened and isolated as needed.
• The United States reached mutual agreements with Mexico and Canada to restrict non-essential travel across our northern and southern borders.
• The administration announced it will expeditiously return aliens who cross between ports of entry or are otherwise not allowed to enter the country, as the facilities in which these aliens would be held cannot support quarantine for the time needed to assess potential cases.
• The administration raised travel warnings to their highest level for other hot spot locations, like Japan and South Korea.
• The president has expanded airport screenings to identify travelers showing symptoms and instituted mandatory quarantines.
• The State Department issued a global level 4 travel advisory, urging Americans to avoid all international travel due to the coronavirus outbreak worldwide.

EXPANDING TESTING ACCESSIBILITY
• The FDA issued emergency approval for new commercial coronavirus tests to significantly expand testing across the country.
• The president secured legislation that will ensure Americans are able to be tested for free.
• The administration is working with state and local partners and the private sector to open up drive-through testing sites.
• The administration is working with the private sector to develop a website that Americans can utilize to determine whether they need a test and, if so, where to get it.
• HHS is providing funding to help accelerate the development of rapid diagnostic tests for the coronavirus.
• The FDA cut red tape to expand testing availability.
• Admiral Brett Giroir – the Assistant Secretary for Health and head of the Public Health Service – has been appointed to coordinate coronavirus testing efforts.
• The FDA is empowering states to authorize tests developed and used by laboratories in their states.
• The Department of Defense has set up 15 coronavirus testing sites worldwide.
• The president signed legislation requiring more reporting from state and private labs to ensure our public health officials have the data they need to respond to this outbreak.
• DoD and HHS worked to airlift hundreds of thousands of swabs and sample test kits from Italy to the United States.
President Trump places a notecard in his suit pocket.

SUPPORTING IMPACTED BUSINESSES
• The Small Business Administration has announced disaster loans which provide impacted businesses with up to $2 million.
• SBA relaxed criteria for disaster assistance loans – expanding small businesses’ access to economic assistance.
• The president directed the Energy Department to purchase large quantities of crude oil for the strategic reserve.
• Trump has held calls and meetings with business leaders from the pharmaceutical industry, airlines, health insurers, grocery stores, retail stores, banks, and more.
• The Treasury Department approved the establishment of the Money Market Mutual Fund Liquidity Facility to provide liquidity to the financial system.

HELPING FAMILIES AND WORKING AMERICANS
• The administration negotiated legislation which will provide tax credits for eligible businesses that give paid leave to Americans affected by the virus.
• The administration took action to provide more flexibility in unemployment insurance programs for workers impacted by the coronavirus.
• The Treasury Department moved tax day from April 15 to July 15.
• Trump signed legislation providing funding and flexibility for emergency nutritional aid for senior citizens, women, children, and low-income families.
• USDA announced new flexibilities to allow meal service during school closures.
• USDA announced a new collaboration with the private sector to deliver nearly 1,000,000 meals a week to students in rural schools closed due to the coronavirus.
• The administration is halting foreclosures and evictions for families with FHA-insured mortgages.
• The Department of Labor announced up to $100 million in dislocated worker grants in response to the coronavirus national health emergency.
• The White House worked with the private sector to launch a central website where families, students, and educators can access online education technologies.
• Trump signed legislation to provide continuity in educational benefits for veterans and their families who attend schools that have had to switch from in-person to online learning due to the coronavirus.
• The Department of Education has given broad approval to colleges and universities to allow them to more easily move their classes online.
• The Department of Education set interest rates on all federally-held student loans to 0% for at least 60 days.
• The Department of Education announced borrowers will have the option to suspend their payments on federally-held student loans for at least two months.
• The Department of Education is providing waivers for federal testing requirements to states that have had to close schools.

INFORMING THE PUBLIC
• The administration launched a website – coronavirus.gov – to keep the public informed about the outbreak.
• The president launched a partnership with the Ad Council, media networks, and digital platforms to communicate public services announcements about the coronavirus.
• The president announced guidelines for Americans to follow and do their part to stem the spread of the virus.
• The Task Force is holding nearly daily press conferences to provide the American people with the latest information.
• The Task Force has recommended mitigation strategies to heavily impacted communities, like those in New York, Washington, and California.
• CMS announced guidance to protect vulnerable elderly Americans and limit medically unnecessary visits to nursing homes.

SUPPORTING PATIENTS AND HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS
• In January, the administration declared the coronavirus to be a public health emergency.
• The president donated his fourth-quarter 2019 salary to the Department of Health and Human Services for coronavirus response efforts.
• The president took action to give HHS authority to waive rules and regulations so that healthcare providers have maximum flexibility to respond to this outbreak.
• CMS is giving flexibility to Medicare Advantage and Part D plans to waive cost-sharing for coronavirus tests and treatment.
• CMS created new billing codes for coronavirus tests to promote better tracking of the public health response.
• The White House Office of Science and Technology Policy coordinated with the NIH, the tech industry, and nonprofits to release a machine readable collection of 29,000 coronavirus-related research articles, which will help scientists discover insights to virus’ genetics, incubation, treatment, symptoms, and prevention.
• The administration announced that health plans with health savings accounts will be able to cover coronavirus testing and treatment without co-payments.
• CMS dramatically expanded telehealth for Medicare beneficiaries, ensuring more patients can access their doctors remotely while avoiding exposure.
• HHS lifted HIPAA penalties to enable healthcare providers to expand telehealth access for patients.
• The VA established 19 emergency operations centers across the country and put in place visitation restrictions to limit patients’ exposure.
• CMS and the VA are working to limit nonessential, elective medical procedures to free up healthcare resources.
• The Navy will be deploying two medical ships to help support impacted areas.
• The president announced Carnival Cruise Lines will be making ships available for hospitals to use for non-coronavirus patients.

STRENGTHENING ESSENTIAL MEDICAL SUPPLIES
• The president announced he is invoking the Defense Production Act.
• The president signed a memorandum directing his Administration to make general-use face masks available to healthcare workers.
• HHS announced it will be purchasing 500 million N95 respirators for the Strategic National Stockpile.
• The Department of Defense announced it will be providing 5 million respirator masks and 2,000 specialized ventilators to assist.
• The president signed legislation removing restrictions that prevented manufacturers from selling industrial masks – which can readily protect healthcare workers – directly to hospitals.

DEVELOPING VACCINES AND THERAPEUTICS
• The administration is working to help accelerate the development of therapeutics and a vaccine to combat the coronavirus.
• The FDA is evaluating existing drugs that could serve as potential therapeutics for coronavirus patients.
• The administration is actively working with drug manufacturers to monitor any potential drug supply chain issues.
• The administration is expanding research and consulting with experts to better understand the transmission of coronavirus.
• The National Institutes of Health has announced the beginning of a clinical trial for a coronavirus vaccine candidate.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/list-74-actions-taken-by-trump-to-fight-virus-bolster-economy
EmilyD
You know I have told you enough times that breakin... (show quote)


No, I haven't contracted the virus (I don't think), thanks for asking. Reason? Luck. I spent the first week commuting to work on a train. But I have since then taken cover and I work from home now. I still go to the store to get food and twice a week I go to band practice, just four of us, six feet distant, so I attribute my social distancing as another factor. Oh, and I wash my hands like a racoon that just ate a bag of coffee beans.

I do remember you telling me about breaking posts up, but I also remember telling you why I do that. A lot of the arguments I respond to draw conclusions from erroneous or questionable statements and it's less confusing to interject responses directly to those statements than to try and relate reponses at the end.

Even more so in cases where I am responding to a rant because rants are basically long lists of disconnected statements and the people I tend to argue with are very prolific ranters, which explains why a lot of my posts are so long. Taking rants seriously enough to respond with logic - that's my insanity.

There's a pattern I've noticed that strikes me as being more prevalent on the right, where people seem to think they can make up for a lack of a good argument with long lists of stated "facts" or links to stories or long lists of names... or well, a list of fabulous things that Trump has done. ;)

I won't get nit-picky about each one... in fact, I'm just going to say this. Yes, Trump is taking action, at a glance it didn't seem like there was anything on the list I could actually say is false. But what frequently gets left out of these long glory lists is context... and relevance. Given the scale, a lot of those items are too little but I am grateful for whatever they can provide. Given the timeline, a lot of those actions are late, but it's better late than never.

So EmilyD, thanks for the box of band-aids.
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Mar 31, 2020 17:40:06   #
Milosia2 wrote:
We have indeed, but, try to remember it only benefits the same people, the top 10%.
It’s as Robert Reich says it is.
Our fight today is not republicans vs democrats
Our fight today is
Democracy against Oligarchy.
So big guy here’s your dilemma,
Who’s side are you on??
Personally I couldn’t care less.
You however should really start getting to know who your friends are.
And who your real enemies are.
I say this to all of the deplorables.
Time to wake up.
We are not enemies
We are on the same side trying to save democracy.
I know a difficulty when I see it.
When bill gates comes around with trumps wood chippers
Who you gonna call????
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Are you trying to explain this to deplorables?

Good luck with that. As you probably know, the oligarchs play these people like video games. To the point where they have them bowing down to submit themselves to a moron president. Just look at the title of this thread... the obligation to serve Donald Trump. Wow!
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Mar 31, 2020 17:15:09   #
eagleye13 wrote:
We have had corruption in BOTH parties for many decades, Mimosa.
We have had a partnership in those parties to milk this Republic.
Not enough Americans have caught on to that.
Trump is the first in decades to try to do some thing about that.

Indeed, there HAS been corruption in both parties, but things are starting to separate... Wealth concentration has come to a point where it's getting harder for the haves to hide their crap from the have nots.

Only the most naive of all the humans are still under the illusion that wealth concentration isn't a problem. They're pretty easy to point out... The ones that think there's 287 hospital ships waiting off-shore, or that holding your breath for 10 seconds means you don't have COVID-19, the one's that think global warming is a Chinese hoax, the ones that think the world is flat or that it was made in seven days and the most astounding of them all... the ones that think Trump has any intention of saving them.

LOL
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Mar 31, 2020 17:05:12   #
MR Mister wrote:
Capitalists make stuff, what has anyone in the Royal family made? All they do is suck up money.

Capitalists don't make stuff, Sparky. They invest money in whatever can yield a return. Sometimes, it's the people who make stuff and sometimes it's a financial product for sucking up money. You don't know much about capitalism do you?
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Mar 31, 2020 16:35:41   #
American Vet wrote:
"Shifting military priorities flies in the face of the primary mission - an effective fighting force. Also, other priorities need to be carefully examined and very controlled; there was a reason posse comitatus was enacted.

"Now let me explain why I think your argument fails to support the idea that a union of 350 million people is necessary for any other form of defense other than "military".

On a fundamental level, I think you are failing to recognize the relevance of a smaller population. Take your example... "Working to produce items needed for this pandemic. Across the country. = massive." This is a matter of supply and demand. If we have a fraction of the population, we will have a fraction of the demand and will therefore only need a fraction of the supply.

The only reason why this rule doesn't apply to military invasions is because that situation is affected by an external force rather than an internal demand. In other words, if a country is being attacked by a force of 300 planes, it doesn't matter if the country only has 100 people, they still need to shoot down 300 planes. But if it's being "attacked" by a virus, they're only going to need medical supplies for 100 patients.

Right?

Wrong

But thanks for your explanation. I think you are failing to see the 'big' picture and have a somewhat myopic view.
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It's funny how we have the same opinion of each other's view. I guess that's one thing we have in common.

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Mar 31, 2020 16:31:34   #
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Hey straight, many things to respond to, I will tackle one at a time. in response to this comment...

your quote{Is Russia more vulnerable than we are? Vulnerable to what exactly? I don't understand the reference. I understand your concern about needing more rules if we disperse. But I don't think it's a given. We maybe one nation but we have a deep hierarchy of laws and jurisdictions that more than make up for it.

In fact, it's interesting that you bring Russia up on the heels of your statement about "too many rules"... I can remember a conversation I had with a database architect who studied law in Russia and he said he was astounded by the sheer volume of laws that exist in America.}

Allow me to clarify, my point wasn't that Russia was the vulnerable one, but rather the smaller countries who have tried to break free from Russia, only to have them later return to force themselves onto them. I could foresee this happening. Let us say for argument sake, the(a) red region objective was to become all-powerful, and smaller blue regions, for lack of a better description, were to be vulnerable against this military state.
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Well, you bring up a valid concern and I've tried to come up with a good answer, but there really isn't one. There's no guarantee that this scenario won't happen. That being said, there's a couple of things I'd like to point out.

I can't seem to accept "bad-ass" attitude as a motive for war. It might be a motive for fantasising about it but it seems to me that every war I've ever studied has been motivated by something more calculated.

In the case of the former soviet republics, all the conflicts I can think of were started by regional ethnic groups vying for autonomy (usually from each other), with Russia playing the "police" role in the interest of stability, especially in the Caspian region where Moscow has an interest in the oil and gas reserves there.

It's possible we might see a similar effect here if we divided, but one big difference is that we don't have the same kind of ethnic divides they have over there. Over there you have strong links between ethnic groups and the land itself, 'not so much the case here because we pretty much killed all the natives. All the ethnic groups here today (including white people) immigrated from other places and spread throughout.

If anything, the Indian nations might resurrect but I think that would be more of a problem for the red republics than the blue republics (if that's actually a problem). I'm only saying this because I imagine the red republics will cover more land while the blue republics will have most of the power.

Other than that I would say it would be more likely that the blue republics be more aggressive by virtue of that they will be the financial powerhouses and from the western perspective, the financial powerhouses have always been the key sponsors of war.

Finally, in the unexpected event that a red republic try to attack a blue republic, I have this to fall back on...
As a "blue person" I would rather make the red people fight for their designs on my family than to submit to a system that just gives it to them (which is what we have now). There is no reason why Trump should be in office given fair representation. He is in office because red states get more representation per voter than blue states get, period. This is the same reason why he wasn't impeached.

Barracuda2020 wrote:

I pointed out Russia for their appetite to consume. For example, let's look at Turkey, Syria, Ukraine Georgia, Crimea, Bosnia, now they are getting bold enough to attack us by undermining the US in their covert hostile takeover. How far is enough for them, they are like a Pacman on the earth. We can't ignore this, especially if a country "like them" existed as our neighbors, just saying something to consider.
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Well, it's not something to be ignored, I'll go that far. I do think however that we get confused between "us" and the "empire" we are forced to support. All those places you mention are dealing with conflicts driven by a desire for self-determination and to some cultural intolerance. Fact is... no one has actually made any attempt to invade or conquer our country... ever! I think this is why we Americans are so hung-ho about war. We have no clue what it's like to have our homes and our families blasted to hell by foreign forces.

Barracuda2020 wrote:

I am all for the positiveness of living in a country you describe, but there will always be issues and challenges when herbivores live beside omnivores or worse carnivores.


When I was referring to too many rules, and yes to your friends comment on our laws, now can you imagine that divided by 5?LOL It's getting harder and harder to travel to even neighboring countries, I'm ready for them to ask for a colonoscopy to board a plane...lol.
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- Is that included in the price of the ticket" 'cause I like to travel AND I'm overdue for a colonoscopy.
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Mar 30, 2020 13:20:58   #
American Vet wrote:
"Is that not what you were concerned about when you said "Our massive size and cohesion (when necessary) is our primary defense." ??? I'm not sure what other type of defense would require both massive size and cohesion. Maybe you can explain."

Gladly: What are our private industries doing right now across the country? Working to produce items needed for this pandemic. Across the country. = massive. Lots of private industries are gearing up.

"As for your involvement in military discussions about the threat of pandemics and economic wars in the 70's, I'm not sure how that proves your point. I've read enough reports from the military community to believe those discussions happened, but that doesn't mean they were ever translated into policy. If they were, feel free to point them out because the pandemic is happening now and I am not seeing any indication of preemptive military action."

The military - all branches - primary duty is protecting America with force - IF NEEDED. However, they are prepared to step in and do other things as needed. An excellent example today is the use of the 2 Navy 'floating hospitals' as well as various reserve units being activated to perform other duties such as delivering food. The military has been involved in various rescue and humanitarian missions for a long time.

"So, am I supposed to assume you're an expert and just trust whatever you say? Or is there actually a logical connection? I'm not trying to be contrary here, I'm just trying to understand your argument.

The only "argument" is your jumping to the conclusion that the military would only be used for "military" (combat) operations. Hopefully I educated you a bit about that.
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OK... thank you for explaining your argument Vet... Indeed, I have always been aware of the "other uses" for the military... In fact, that has been central to my argument for shifting military priorities to "other uses" for the past 10 years. (I often use the Coast Guard as an example of what the military could be doing)

Now let me explain why I think your argument fails to support the idea that a union of 350 million people is necessary for any other form of defense other than "military".

On a fundamental level, I think you are failing to recognize the relevance of a smaller population. Take your example... "Working to produce items needed for this pandemic. Across the country. = massive." This is a matter of supply and demand. If we have a fraction of the population, we will have a fraction of the demand and will therefore only need a fraction of the supply.

The only reason why this rule doesn't apply to military invasions is because that situation is affected by an external force rather than an internal demand. In other words, if a country is being attacked by a force of 300 planes, it doesn't matter if the country only has 100 people, they still need to shoot down 300 planes. But if it's being "attacked" by a virus, they're only going to need medical supplies for 100 patients.

Right?
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Mar 30, 2020 09:29:38   #
lindajoy wrote:
It stagers the mind to think our national emergency plans are so Antiquated that it has been some 50 years or so without our Federal cohorts doing their job in keeping them current.. Glad Trump has recognize the need to bring them up to the 21st-century!

Yeah, kinda late Donny. Look, Trump had 3 years so it's a bit late in the game to be blaming the previous president. As amusing as it is to see Trump supporters falling over themselves to wash him of blame, the truth is too obvious to ignore.

Fact is, Trump cut funding for the CDC AND he cut the biothreat department out of the NSC. Two things that are critical to defending this country from pandemics.

Fact is, Trump and his circus were so concerned about their precious stock market that they tried to hush the situation which allowed the virus to spread.

Fact is, Trump and his circus have no idea what to do, leaving it up to the state governors and the private sector and that makes Trump look bad which is why the Trump and the deplorables are bashing governors now.

Fact is, Trump is directly responsible for allowing the U.S. to become the worst hit nation on the planet with 143,055 cases so far. China has many times the number of people that we do and yet they only got to 82,156 cases. India also has several times the population we do and they only have 1,071 cases.

China: 1,401,972,080 people: 82,156 cases
India: 1,360,375,972 people: 1,071 cases
USA: 329,533,584 people: 143,055 cases

Neither China nor India have any special magic that we don't have. I work with a lot of Indian engineers (in fact this is my last post for a few hours 'cause I have a meeting with some of them in a few minutes) but they are saying the same thing... Their government reacted quickly. They put their 1.3 billion people on lock down, so far the most effective way to stop the spread.

And here's you folks scrambling for things to blame... the governors, Obama, socialism... Anything but the elephant in the room... An incompetent and petty scrumbag in the Oval Office.

lindajoy wrote:

Also not a blame game here but understanding what Obama went through with his pandemic is it not common sense that he would have insured our nation had proper stock piling of all emergency equipment, test kits, etc. available for the future?

He tried... but he had to deal with Boehner-head and the Children of the Corn in the House remember? Obama couldn't do half of what he wanted to do with those Republicans sulking with crossed arms and a refusal to cooperate. Boehner's House wouldn't even give Obama the funding he asked for to strengthen security at Benghazi and several months later it was attacked. And what did the Republicans do? They blamed Clinton for having a private e-mail server.

lindajoy wrote:

What Giuliani said in that video is tantamount to what we have witnessed taking place all over again here..The ego’s of and blame game of our supposed protectors of our nation and citizens will always be Our downfall..

Has he looked in the mirror lately? Or does his image show in mirrors?

lindajoy wrote:

Unity and Synchronization of all of our elected have to be formost in order to sustain proper procedures with everyone supporting each other rather than fighting with each other as we have witnessed in this mess.

We would love to see Unity and Synchronization... But when you have a president who insists on petty attacks on Congress, the media, anyone in his cabinet that he doesn't like and refuses to listen to the advice of qualified experts, preferring instead to surround himself with empty-headed brown-nosers, then it's not possible.

lindajoy wrote:

It is also ridiculous for these people to stand before us and tell us how “they would have done it” instead of what Trump has done and the speed in which he has done it!

EVERYTHING Trump did was too little, too late. He had the slowest response time of all the world leaders and that is being reflected now in the numbers. These people that you refer to are not bragging about what THEY would have done, they are simply pointing out what everyone knows SHOULD have been done.

lindajoy wrote:

Second guessing after the fact is easier when they then have witnessed the first Decisions made.

Linda... this isn't the first time we've had outbreaks... yes, the pandemic is bigger and the virus more challenging than what we've seen in our lifetimes but the basics of minimizing the spread of a virus are the same. None of the other countries have any special knowledge that we don't know about. We are suffering the most for one reason and one reason only, the reason you folks refuse to acknowledge. Our president f-ed up. If we can't face up to that, God help us.
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Mar 30, 2020 08:31:25   #
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
What you posted is a flat out lie; curious that you did not cite a source.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/28/21197995/coronavirus-stimulus-trump-inspector-general-wont-comply
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/trump-pushes-back-against-congressional-oversight-for-500-billion-bailout-fund.html
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/05/09/donald-trumps-war-on-oversight
...want more?
CounterRevolutionary wrote:

The CARE ACT includes an oversight committee under the Attorney General for the distribution of monies to corporations.

No one is saying the oversight is missing from the act - that's what Pelosi was screaming about while you folks were lying about her wanting to add funding for PP. The oversight provision was finally added. The pint of my post is that Trump, even after signing it stated that he will ignore the provision.

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

What is your purpose on this OPP board?

To annoy you CP... The local chapter of the brotherhood of Marxist-Muslims headquartered in Beijing sent me a message via carrier pigeon to irritate CounterRevolutionary on OPP. They have my pet squirrel so I have to follow their orders or they will put him on a diet without nuts!

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

And just for your information, "passion" is not "greed," but just the opposite, a lust for life.

So then according to your definition greed is a lack of interest in life... Yeah, that makes sense.

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

Socialist power-freaks are greedy for intellectual accolades and worship, as all egomaniacs like Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ahmadinejad, and Adin Ami.

No wonder you're so confused. I see this a lot among the lesser educated. They never actually learned what socialism is... so they fill the void with misleading cold war propaganda. All but one of those people you listed were dictators who would have been just as happy with capitalism. It doesn't matter to these people what system is used, as long as THEY are in control. The exception on your list was Marx who was an economist.
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Mar 29, 2020 23:33:20   #
CounterRevolutionary wrote:

Mayors and Governors nationwide are currently complaining about the lack of medical supplies needed to battle the COVID-19 outbreak. One of my exclusive guests, Jules Nasso, who supplies most commercial ships and cruise liners, can put his hand on 200+ ships already stocked with medical supplies, doctors, nurses, and operation rooms. Our government officials need to WAKE UP! Jules can be contacted at Juliusrnasso@gmail.com

So... this is the response I got from Juliusrnasso@gmail.com...

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Yes did we meet?
Already activated one that is in use in Genova Italy u can google cruise ship converted to hospitol in Genova Italy
Sent from my iPhone
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Does this look like a legitimate response to you? LOL

Hey all you horrible governors... why don't you contact that pharmacist with access to a massive fleet of fully staffed hospital ships? Here's his e-mail, he will respond on his iphone and tell you to google " cruise ship converted to hospitol in Genova Italy".

LOL - nothing like ending the day on a good solid laugh.
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