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Aug 27, 2013 07:59:15   #
carolyn wrote:
I should have said "race," so you got me on that one. But you had to stoop to a typo to win anything at all because the definition of pacifist is the opposition to the use of force under ANY condition. So your pacifists in our government are evidently too cowardly to use the force necessary to rid us of the cancer called illegal aliens. Even though they are costing this country an estimated $100 billion a year or more.


The actual figure is around 84 billion (2010). This does not take into account an estimated 50+ billion per year sent back to their home countries, rather than spent here.
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Aug 27, 2013 07:55:35   #
Old_Gringo wrote:
Because that is what the obamatards decreed.

I will disagree here. What happened is the US Government entered into various contracts with various indigenous people with the intent to defraud them. The damaged parties are pursuing remedies as provided by law, as much as possible. Why is this different, legally, from reparations for slavery? Because slavery was legal. Deliberate, intentional fraud was not. I do not believe all tribes are entitled to reparations, compensations, or whatever you wish to call them, but some tribes most certainly are.
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Aug 27, 2013 07:11:10   #
MPLSMAN wrote:
I don't know what any of this has to do with FOX News. I wish posters would stick to the subject at hand instead of just lambasting those of other opinions.
Anyway, here is a link.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/


That would be far more productive, but undoubtedely less entertaining. There are some posters here whose sole contribution appears to be sowing discord via insults and cheap shots. I lose my temper, also, but at least make a stab at staying on topic. You make a good point.
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Aug 26, 2013 20:02:29   #
AuntiE wrote:
Donc711 has stated the bikers will all be rednecks. You missed that comment?


So what? So am I.
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Aug 26, 2013 19:54:13   #
rumitoid wrote:
Violence begets violence; always has, always will. Look at the nuclear arms escalation, America says we can destroy the world 2xs over. Russia replies they can do that 3xs over. Oh yeah, we can do that...well, you get the picture. The same with guns. The NRA is an abomination.

In HS I read, "Good fences make good neighbors." That was about interpersonal boundries; the NRA makes everyone a future target.


I would suggest to you, Rumitoid, that an obvious inability or unwillingness to defend yourself is what makes you a target. Carrying a firearm is not borrowing trouble, it is preventing it. Twice I have avoided confrontations by the simple act of brushing back my jacket, so the aggressor could see I was armed. ( I also have a very winning smile). This is after verbal efforts failed. I am too crippled to effectively defend myself against younger, stronger or multiple attackers. I cannot limp fast enough to avoid an attack that way. I am too young to die, and to old to subject myself to an ass whipping. I am, however, a very good shot who has used a firearm in self defense before, not a loudmouth wannabe.
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Aug 26, 2013 19:47:38   #
AuntiE wrote:
You simply have to stop presenting valid facts. As someone posted to me the other day, you just confuse them.


That would be me.
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Aug 26, 2013 09:21:24   #
bahmer wrote:
Amen, I have stopped answering them and I refuse to play their little toddler games anymore. If they want to have discussions that is fine name calling gets everybody nowhere and I refuse to be apart of it. They are like school yard bullies who's only purpose in life is to taunt and distract others and also try to anger us and get us off tract, I do believe that from what I have read these are all Saul Alinsky style tactics that are practiced so well by the left and truly perfected by OIllegal and Hillary.
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Anyone who gets "kicked off" a site populated by Liberals must be doing something right. That should read, "self-styled liberals."
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Aug 26, 2013 09:18:18   #
ginnyt wrote:
Are you saying that good old BoJester may have jumped the gun (pun intended).


Perhaps, in addition to his voice of sweet reason, he also possesses some measure of clairyvoyance.
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Aug 26, 2013 08:55:04   #
CrazyHorse wrote:
Hat Tip Tea Party.org

I am posting this article for consideration by 1PP posters. For you brain dead posters on 1PP, it doesn't mean I agree with every word said, or any word said, or that I disagree with same. It just means I'm posting the article for consideration; got that LuLu, rumitoid, & BoJester.



Colorado to vote on secession


Voter frustration with government hits critical mass

(Washington Post) – Residents in a conservative northern Colorado county will vote this November on whether to secede and create a new state, after a local commission on Monday approved ballot language backed by tea party activists.

The Weld County Commission unanimously approved the resolution’s language, which reads: “Shall the Board of County Commissioners of Weld County, in concert with the county commissioners of other Colorado counties, pursue becoming the 51st state of the United States of America?”

FAX BLAST SPECIAL: Impeach Obama NOW!

Weld County is one of ten rural counties where activists have held meetings about seceding from Colorado. The activists started pushing for the meetings after this year’s legislative session, when Democrats who control the Colorado legislature passed new laws regulating firearms and oil exploration. The new measures, conservatives believe, are the latest steps taken by an overbearing legislature that’s Denver-centric, to the exclusion of the state’s rural areas.

Several county commissions have held public meetings on the topic since activists started bringing up the idea; the Weld County commission held four meetings before their vote on Monday.

“The concerns of rural Coloradans have been ignored for years,” commission chairman William Garcia said in a statement. “The last session was the straw that broke the camel’s back for many people. They want change. They want to be heard. Policies being passed by the legislature in Denver are having negative impacts on the lives of rural Coloradans. This isn’t an ‘R’ versus ‘D’ issue; it’s much bigger than that.”

Of the ten counties that have had discussions about forming a 51st state — Cheyenne, Kit Carson, Lincoln, Logan, Morgan, Phillips, Sedgwick, Washington, Weld and Yuma — nine gave Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney more than 62 percent of the vote. (In fact five of them gave Romney three quarters of the vote or more). Weld County went for Romney by the relatively slim margin of 55 percent to 42 percent.

The Colorado legislature and the U.S. Congress would have to ratify the notion. But it’s not unheard of: West Virginia, Maine, Vermont and Kentucky were all once a part of other states before breaking off to form their own governments.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/08/19/colorado-county-to-vote-on-secession/
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I'm surprised that El Paso County is not on the list.
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Aug 26, 2013 08:48:23   #
LAwrence wrote:
When are we going to learn? We have no business interfering with the internal affairs of other countries.


I know that, you know that, the interferees know that. These people have been killing each other since the dawn of time. We will go in, spend time, money, and blood, and mostly stop the fighting for as long as we are there. the day after we leave it will be like we were never there. Nothing like a good old fashioned foreign entanglement or two to divert attention from a sieve like southern border, an economy that is sucking wind, a horrible joke of a helathcare system, and a real jobless rate of more than 10%. Meanwhile, the jingoists will leap and cheer that once more, we are sticking our snouts in where we have no business. It's just barely possible that these other countries should be left to manage (or mismanage) their own affairs.
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Aug 26, 2013 08:13:14   #
joee5566 wrote:
i would like to see some data that shows the worst states for taxes, growth and business and show which party controls each state legislature. i am a realtor in ct and i have seen several examples where our retirees have to leave Ct to go someplace that is more tax friendly.


With the exception of CA, most of the states are in the northeast, NY, NJ, CN, etc., and most, if not all of their legislatures are controlled by Democrats. I do not remember the link, I will find it when I have time.
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Aug 26, 2013 08:09:45   #
hprinze wrote:
The politicians and hews media talking heads are falling over themselves pushing for the U.S. military to attack another foreign nation that poses no threat to us.


After all, we just HAVE to save them from themselves, after which they will shower us with typical Arab gratitude.
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Aug 26, 2013 08:02:15   #
AnnMarie wrote:
Why would you say that? I see no bashfullness at all.

Once more, I said they ACTED like they felt guilty, not that they spent any less.
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Aug 26, 2013 07:57:58   #
Alicia wrote:
The comment I stated was concerning an incident which occurred in the Greater New York Area. I keep in touch with Channel 7 News. I am dismayed by the amount of gun crimes in that area primarily because of the Carry Bans. In this particular situation not only did one person shoot another but the friend of the wounded person was also carrying!

The NRA believes that if more people carry guns, everyone will be safer. The above incident disproves that theory.

I do recall that, during the rush hour in California, when people are frustrated and tempers rise due to rising temperatures, drivers had been known to shoot at other drivers simply because they were stuck in traffic.

My point is: If people are given ammunition to use (when normally they will simply swear at each other or, the greatest extent will be a fist fight, they will use that ammunition.

Psychological exams do not work because any really smart person (or, some times, a psychologically unbalanced one) can pass those tests. I see nothing wrong with hunting for food but, in many cases, people hunt because they like to kill. That instinct is in all of us if we are allowed to express it. I'd personally rather see a fist fight.

The only way I can see to prevent people from killing each other in a temper is to ban carrying concealed weapons.
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No offense, but do you realize what you just said? You are dismayed by the shooting because of concealed carry bans, and the only way you can see to prevent violence is to ban concealed carry? One incident does not prove or disprove anything. According to the DOJ, (hardly a friend of gun owners) since the implementing of concealed carry laws, firearms crime has gone down nationally by around forty percent. The highest crime rates (with a couple of exceptions) remain places that stubbornly make it almost impossible to legally carry concealed.
In my state of GA, almost 400,000 CCPs have been issued. Less than 100 CCP holders have been convicted of a gun crime. This is a tiny, tiny fraction of one percent. In my county, since concealed carry has been enacted, the crime rate has plummeted, and we have an unusually high number of CCP holders. Using your logic, because people who carry illegally commit crimes, people who carry legally and don't commit crimes should be penalized. Let's take that a step further; I am a non drinker, would you ban me from driving because a drunk caused a traffic fatality? Your statement that the NRA does not support background checks is erroneous. The NRA was instrumental in getting the current system in place. This is the system that caught more than 40,000 people who tried to purchase handguns or other firearms illegally. By the way, the same Federal Law enforcement who supports strict gun control prosecuted less than 50 of the 40,000, and managed only 20 odd convictions. One more thing: Do not be misled by statistics; I have seen "murder" statistics which egregiously included all firearms deaths; including accident, suicide and lawful shootings, all lumped together to inflate numbers. Yes indeed, handgun bans work, just ask Chicago, where until recently, even possession of a handgun was banned. The highest handgun murder rate, by far, in the US. Those bans really work.
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Aug 26, 2013 07:34:04   #
[quote=astrolite]Ya lo ciento, pero no yo comprende esta lingua, Digame en Ingles, por favor?[/quote

Lo siento es correcto.
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