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Jun 20, 2018 12:04:12   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Loki wrote:
"Yes, I am proud of the people that stand up to fascism and fight for human rights... They're awesome!"
So your definition of standing up to fascism and fighting for human rights is to sneak into a foreign country to take advantage of their generosity, flaunt their laws, disrespect their citizens by stealing their identities and then demanding amnesty for their crimes.
The only thing awesome is your gall.



"But I have a LOT more respect for them than I do for chicken-sh*t bigots like you."
So you have more respect for sneak thieves than for people who take exception to the thievery. That's you in a nutshell.

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Jun 20, 2018 12:05:18   #
Morgan
 
Loki wrote:
A warthog is a radiant angel compared to me, what's your point? I have always wondered why in California, if you have sex for money in a motel room you're a whore, and if you do the same thing in front of a movie camera you're an actress.


If that's the case what's your verdict on Melania?

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Jun 20, 2018 12:20:46   #
Morgan
 
Loki wrote:
A warthog is a radiant angel compared to me, what's your point? I have always wondered why in California, if you have sex for money in a motel room you're a whore, and if you do the same thing in front of a movie camera you're an actress.


My point was "Radiance" judgment of Stormy, Radiance is ugly from the inside from her hate, how can she be anything of radiance.

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Jun 20, 2018 12:29:14   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Morgan wrote:
Loki it is really very different, a citizen arrested here and imprisoned the courts know what family or guardian is listed if there are none they go to foster home. These children that we're speaking of were sent simply away, possibly back home, we don't really know due to the fact they've simply become lost children, that is horrible circumstance and extremely irrsponsible.


They were placed with families or relatives when possible. They became lost when those relatives refused to report in. The adults with them probably knew what would happen, and you are forgetting that these wetbacks could agree to deportation and take their children with them, rather than tie up immigration courts with bullshit asylum claims that will never be granted.
That is for people who came to Ports of Entry. Those caught sneaking in are processed just like any other criminal.

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Jun 20, 2018 12:30:08   #
Morgan
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
You got that right.

That is a looker, ain't she ?


Radiance will be pleased, calling a woman, any woman a heifer certainly scores high with me, and solidifies my opinion of you.

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Jun 20, 2018 12:31:15   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Morgan wrote:
My point was "Radiance" judgment of Stormy, Radiance is ugly from the inside from her hate, how can she be anything of radiance.

My point was that Stormy Daniels made a fortune screwing on camera. Then she apparently reneged on a deal. Once a whore, always a whore. If she did what she did in the privacy of a motel room it would be prostitution.

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Jun 20, 2018 12:38:18   #
Morgan
 
Loki wrote:
They were placed with families or relatives when possible. They became lost when those relatives refused to report in. The adults with them probably knew what would happen, and you are forgetting that these wetbacks could agree to deportation and take their children with them, rather than tie up immigration courts with bullshit asylum claims that will never be granted.
That is for people who came to Ports of Entry. Those caught sneaking in are processed just like any other criminal.


I never really saw you as one defending Trump no matter what he did. What happened to "Children First" Even the other first ladies have spoken up against this, and I'm sure RReagan and Mrs. Reagan would also.
To be clear here the issue was the separation of families under the Zero Tolerance Rule. No one should exploit them for their self-interested reasons which includes determent.

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Jun 20, 2018 12:47:31   #
Morgan
 
Loki wrote:
My point was that Stormy Daniels made a fortune screwing on camera. Then she apparently reneged on a deal. Once a whore, always a whore. If she did what she did in the privacy of a motel room it would be prostitution.


You didn't answer me on Melania? How do you think she got to be on top, pun intended. All I'm asking is are you as critical of her? She may live well but at what cost, her soul. I think her lifestyle has cost her a lot. With that being said I'd choose her over Trump to lead this country.

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Jun 20, 2018 12:51:31   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
You did good, Goober.

Your family looks great.

And you ain't such a slouch yourself.

You should spend more time loving 'them' and 'less' time hating the best president this country has ever seen.

And let's not forget the most beautiful first lady that has ever graced the Whitehouse.


Thank's for the compliment and yes, I do love them which is has a lot to do with WHY I am fighting Trump. Whether my conclusions are correct or not, I believe Trump is causing harm to our beloved country and to the future of my children. My wife and I have raised our children to stand up for liberty and justice and today they are both involved in the fight which is not limited to expressing opinions on social media. My daughter is starting law school and we are both writing for publications with a wider audience, not to mention letters to our representatives. My son and I are both involved in open-source projects for developing systems to improve political transparency and resist censorship. Of course we all vote and we all read... a lot ;)

I'm sorry we don't agree on Trump, but I hope we can agree that as citizens, it's our duty to protect our republic from threats as we see them.

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Jun 20, 2018 12:55:08   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Morgan wrote:
I never really saw you as one defending Trump no matter what he did. What happened to "Children First" Even the other first ladies have spoken up against this, and I'm sure RReagan and Mrs. Reagan would also.
To be clear here the issue was the separation of families under the Zero Tolerance Rule. No one should exploit them for their self-interested reasons which includes determent.


Yes. Laura Bush said something about that law. She forgot to mention her husband was the one who signed it into law.
The people who present themselves at Ports-of-Entry and claim asylum have their kids for 20 days. At any time during that 20 days, they can take their kids and go home and they are well informed of this. They make the decision to proceed with a bullshit asylum claim which will not be granted but they choose to believe the lying manipulators in the pro-illegal organizations who need sacrificial lambs.

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Jun 20, 2018 12:58:29   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Morgan wrote:
I never really saw you as one defending Trump no matter what he did. What happened to "Children First" Even the other first ladies have spoken up against this, and I'm sure RReagan and Mrs. Reagan would also.
To be clear here the issue was the separation of families under the Zero Tolerance Rule. No one should exploit them for their self-interested reasons which includes determent.

I am not defending Trump. He doesn't need any defense. The law has been on the books since W was president. As a matter of fact, illegals and their kids have been separated since the nineties. It is receiving the publicity now because thanks to liberal snake oil salesmen, the illegals think they will get asylum and there has been a more than 1000% increase in the number of people. I suppose you think that is Trump's fault also?

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Jun 20, 2018 13:56:56   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Loki wrote:
Yes. Laura Bush said something about that law. She forgot to mention her husband was the one who signed it into law.
The people who present themselves at Ports-of-Entry and claim asylum have their kids for 20 days. At any time during that 20 days, they can take their kids and go home and they are well informed of this. They make the decision to proceed with a bullshit asylum claim which will not be granted but they choose to believe the lying manipulators in the pro-illegal organizations who need sacrificial lambs.
Yes. Laura Bush said something about that law. She... (show quote)

You really need to get over this conspiracy crap Loki.... it's interfering with your ability to be be objective. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that your conspiracy theory is true and lying manipulators are looking for sacrificial lambs... That still doesn't change the fact that Trump is changing immigration policies including the policy on asylum seekers. Up until now, asylum seekers have always been afforded the right to a hearing. Trump recently took that right away and now judges can deport asylum seekers immediately without even hearing their case. There have already been reports of asylum seekers dying from being returned to the dangers they were trying to escape. You can even argue that this too is a lie, but the fact is these stories, true or false, didn't exist before the policy changes and it's reasonable to assume that these stories are also deterrents for people seeking to escape violence and death. Should they go to a port of entry to be cuffed and forcefully transported back, or should they try to sneak in?

Do you ever think about things like this or are you too busy waving the black flag of fascism?

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Jun 20, 2018 14:36:45   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
Morgan wrote:
Radiance will be pleased, calling a woman, any woman a heifer certainly scores high with me, and solidifies my opinion of you.


I wonder how much your opinion of me is worth ?

Ekki mikið lítið kvig.

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Jun 20, 2018 14:44:32   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
straightUp wrote:
You really need to get over this conspiracy crap Loki.... it's interfering with your ability to be be objective. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that your conspiracy theory is true and lying manipulators are looking for sacrificial lambs... That still doesn't change the fact that Trump is changing immigration policies including the policy on asylum seekers. Up until now, asylum seekers have always been afforded the right to a hearing. Trump recently took that right away and now judges can deport asylum seekers immediately without even hearing their case. There have already been reports of asylum seekers dying from being returned to the dangers they were trying to escape. You can even argue that this too is a lie, but the fact is these stories, true or false, didn't exist before the policy changes and it's reasonable to assume that these stories are also deterrents for people seeking to escape violence and death. Should they go to a port of entry to be cuffed and forcefully transported back, or should they try to sneak in?

Do you ever think about things like this or are you too busy waving the black flag of fascism?
You really need to get over this conspiracy crap L... (show quote)


They can go to a Port of Entry. If they are not already criminals prohibited entry, they can request asylum all day long. They are told what the requirements are to be granted asylum. They are told they are free to leave, no hard feeling WITH their kids. After 20 days, the families are separated if they persist with their almost certain to be denied asylum claims.
Children have been separated from their parents in this manner since the nineties. It did not become an issue until recently, when the lamestream circulated pictures of children in cages from 2012 and 2014 and claimed it was Trump's doing. Nor did it become an issue until Liberal/leftist pro illegal organizations started filling the heads of these people with a brand new way to beat the system and get into the US. All bullshit of course, but it provided the 1000 percent increase in warm bodies seeking asylum necessary to flood the immigration courts far beyond their capacity. This was not a gradual increase, it came fairly quickly. It came because of the false information being disseminated by unscrupulous "activists." They needed a rally point.

Do you ever think about things like that? Do you ever think of the impact all these people will have? We cannot take in the whole damn world.

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Jun 20, 2018 14:48:35   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Loki wrote:
I am not defending Trump. He doesn't need any defense.

Then why does he have so many defense lawyers?

Loki wrote:

The law has been on the books since W was president. As a matter of fact, illegals and their kids have been separated since the nineties. It is receiving the publicity now because thanks to liberal snake oil salesmen, the illegals think they will get asylum and there has been a more than 1000% increase in the number of people. I suppose you think that is Trump's fault also?

The reason why it's getting more attention now because of the way Trump is handling the situation. Under Bush and Obama, the process was swift and families were reunited ASAP. Under Trump, the deportation rate has actually decreased while the arrest rate has increased. This confirms a bottleneck which many of us have reason to suspect is tied to the private sector prisons being used. Another difference is that neither Bush nor Obama lost track of where the children went. Under Trump, roughly 2000 children have been lost. But the difference that really makes this a headline story is the attitude from the administration which shifted from child separation being an unfortunate effect that should be minimized to being an intentional strategy.

Also, it shouldn't be THAT difficult to see how this is only part of a bigger story which is verging close to a civil war that is dividing the nation. Americans are falling into two sides... One side (about 25% of America) is hostile to immigrants. These people (many of which are white supremacists) push for laws such as Trumps travel bans to make more immigrants illegal, which in their mind justifies their hostility. They spend their time, looking for worst case scenarios to apply to all "illegal" immigrants as a stereotype. Disgusting. The other side (about 68% of America) is defending the American traditions of liberty and justice for all such as what we see inscribed on the Statue of Liberty.

Most of us DO understand that children get separated from their parents when their parents break the law and it's a bit annoying when our opponents keep drilling that as if it isn't obvious. It's even more annoying when they can't get past the obvious to arrive at the less obvious points we are making. It's like we're in the 3rd quarter of a football game and some guy on the team keeps insisting that we're playing football. That's how stupid it is. Yes, we know that children get separated from parents that break the law, but there are cases where the law itself needs to be reconsidered. Obama asked Congress repeatedly to do this but Congress decided instead to sit on their hands. So he enacted DACA as a temporary measure to protect the sanctity of family pending Congressional action. Trump came in with an attack on that protection from the very start. So this is not a new thing and after a year and a half of Trump I think people are pretty clear on what's going on.

This is nothing less than American virtue vs American bigotry. Plain and f'king simple.

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