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Jun 20, 2018 09:43:18   #
Radiance3
 
Morgan wrote:
Wrong again, I've never defended their actions, not once, but under our laws, they originally were not considered breaking the law when asking for asylum. Your party prejudice blinds you. You're not Radiant you're dark and dull and why you and your kind do align with someone as low as Trump. You are radiant while you are all for having babies and toddlers suffer, It makes me truly wonder what the hell kind of woman are you? You are devoid of anything maternal.

You're a Christian woman, this just in from the POPE:

The Pope said he supported recent statements by U.S. Catholic bishops who called the separation of children from their parents “contrary to our Catholic values” and “immoral”.

I'm anticipating a derogatory remark now about the Pope.
Wrong again, I've never defended their actions, no... (show quote)

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Hundreds of thousands of them did not ask for asylum. Not even 1% of them. First they do not qualify for asylum. They came to America to free load, to sell drugs, to commit crimes. These activities are their normal behavior in their own countries. That is why they never improve their lives. Those lifestyle they have are their inherent behavior how they live. Now they are coming and bringing them to the US. US is a lucrative place for them to commit crimes. US is generous and compassionate but they abuse it. They make so many babies, irresponsible and could not feed them, they dump them to America to have their kids babysit and be feed by the American people. Then they follow all of their illegal means because they are used to committing criminal activities as their normal means to live. No discipline, no morals, dumb, and dishonest. Shame on them. Let the Pope discipline them. These are the Pope's followers. But the Pope is another hypocrite, he should go to their countries, teach them the right way to live, instead of yelling to America.

As soon as their kids are inside the US illegally, the democrats use them as propaganda to vilify the president and the conservatives, accusing them of being inhuman or terrorists.

Now, this is the biggest issue presented to the people by the democrats political campaign because they have nothing else positive to contribute to the American people but instead, vilify and destroy the president, defending criminal activities of these illegal invaders. They along with the illegal criminal aliens, defend crimes. As more people from all over the world come illegally to commit crimes against the innocent while the democrats defend them. As soon as the illegals are inside, assisted by the democrats they have no shame, have the guts to shout and vilify the president and his supporters who are following the law and order by implementing the laws of the land.Can you do that to other countries? No. Why abuse the US? Because they have so much to free load and to steal, lots of money for their drug dealings.

These people are all lawless and used by democrats for their own purpose to commit crimes for them.

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Jun 20, 2018 09:48:24   #
Morgan
 
Loki wrote:
Matter of fact, they ARE breaking the law. One does not simply sneak into this country and demand asylum when you are caught. There are also criteria for refugee status which very few of these people meet. You could blame the left wing wetback support groups who trick these people into thinking they will get asylum when they know damn well they won't. It is simply another artifice by pro-wetback organizations to monkey wrench the immigration system by overwhelming it with fraudulent and worthless asylum and refugee status requests.
There are 24 US consulates in Mexico and 48 Ports-of-Entry on every major and many not so major highways connecting the two countries. There is not that much need to sneak into the US. If Central Americans can make it from Central America through the entire length of Mexico, they can get to a consulate or Port-of-Entry.
Matter of fact, they ARE breaking the law. One doe... (show quote)


They are now considered committing a crime, before that was a determination, even now I believe it is only a misdemeanor.

There are different groups of people, mothers with children seeking asylum are not criminals and not sneaking in they are on a long line but are still being separated from their children. Some of these children have been deported back without the parents! The parent(s) later on arrival back home not being able to find their children, they are lost, a good chance obducted.
Can you put yourself in the position of an innocent being torn apart and then given to abductors? There goes that life. Are those so-called "wetback" lives worth saving? That name in itself is very disrespectful.

Unfortunately, we are getting an overflow by the violent and suppressive conditions of the countries where they are coming from.
Who in any form of reasonable mind would work collaboratively to make sure these children were reunited before deportation.

They have also figured out that financially it costs us less to keep the parents together.

Where is Trump and our ambassadors working with these countries to address this problem?

Where are the border patrol people who should be on a blow horn while people are on line, stating if they proceed their child can be taken away from them. Why allow them to cross just to encage and detain them?

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Jun 20, 2018 09:49:32   #
Radiance3
 
straightUp wrote:
LOL... My wife is WAY better looking.

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, no matter how ugly and stinky that is, especially when both have he same ugly brains, like the criminal democrat bastards, like the whore Stormy, and so many others.

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Jun 20, 2018 10:01:36   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Morgan wrote:
Wrong again, I've never defended their actions, not once, but under our laws, they originally were not considered breaking the law when asking for asylum. Your party prejudice blinds you. You're not Radiant you're dark and dull and why you and your kind do align with someone as low as Trump. You are radiant while you are all for having babies and toddlers suffer, It makes me truly wonder what the hell kind of woman are you? You are devoid of anything maternal.

You're a Christian woman, this just in from the POPE:

The Pope said he supported recent statements by U.S. Catholic bishops who called the separation of children from their parents “contrary to our Catholic values” and “immoral”.

I'm anticipating a derogatory remark now about the Pope.
Wrong again, I've never defended their actions, no... (show quote)

Here's a derogatory remark about the pope. He's a communist.

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Jun 20, 2018 10:14:34   #
Morgan
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Hundreds of thousands of them did not ask for asylum. Not even 1% of them. First they do not qualify for asylum. They came to America to free load, to sell drugs, to commit crimes. These activities are their normal behavior in their own countries. That is why they never improve their lives. Those lifestyle they have are their inherent behavior how they live. Now they are coming and bringing them to the US. US is a lucrative place for them to commit crimes. US is generous and compassionate but they abuse it. They make so many babies, irresponsible and could not feed them, they dump them to America to have their kids babysit and be feed by the American people. Then they follow all of their illegal means because they are used to committing criminal activities as their normal means to live. No discipline, no morals, dumb, and dishonest. Shame on them. Let the Pope discipline them. These are the Pope's followers. But the Pope is another hypocrite, he should go to their countries, teach them the right way to live, instead of yelling to America.

As soon as their kids are inside the US illegally, the democrats use them as propaganda to vilify the president and the conservatives, accusing them of being inhuman or terrorists.

Now, this is the biggest issue presented to the people by the democrats political campaign because they have nothing else positive to contribute to the American people but instead, vilify and destroy the president, defending criminal activities of these illegal invaders. They along with the illegal criminal aliens, defend crimes. As more people from all over the world come illegally to commit crimes against the innocent while the democrats defend them. As soon as the illegals are inside, assisted by the democrats they have no shame, have the guts to shout and vilify the president and his supporters who are following the law and order by implementing the laws of the land.Can you do that to other countries? No. Why abuse the US? Because they have so much to free load and to steal, lots of money for their drug dealings.

These people are all lawless and used by democrats for their own purpose to commit crimes for them.
================= br Hundreds of thousands of them... (show quote)


Bullshit, you know shit and talk through your arse. Prove it, put up or shut up. Stop just regurgitating. You are so entrenched in their mantra your a freaking zombie. Fu you and your party hate, the DEMOCRATS have given 10x's more to this country than your corporate Koch owned party. We've made sure of peoples civil rights, you've made sure of corporate rights over people. Since you hate democrats I'm sure you don't need your SS check, you can abstain from it and put it to better use, let's say education, science research, ah let me guess, you don't favor those causes.

You're for privatizing educating and separating the classes even further.

Listen to you and all your hateful prejudice, you hate anyone coming into the country lets face it, you hate half of Americans, you think you're better than everyone, just look at the deplorable Trumpet, you and your ilk mirror him. I can't wait until he bites you in the ass, and he will, one way or another, it's what snakes do.

People as yourself never understand the minds of Democrats because you live the Ayn Rand philosophy, which is the low evolved infantile philosophy of the... me, me, me and screw you. You are unempathetic and discompassionate of these families, therefore my hope for you, Trump and your ilk is to have humility find you, retribution at its best.

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Jun 20, 2018 10:16:19   #
Morgan
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Here's a derogatory remark about the pope. He's a communist.


Of course he is, and a socialist, Marxist, Leninist, bla, bla,bla...

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Jun 20, 2018 10:22:31   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
That's the difference between a back yard shot and a glamor shot.

Another difference is that my wife is attracted to me, so I didn't have to buy her. ;)


You did good, Goober.

Your family looks great.

And you ain't such a slouch yourself.

You should spend more time loving 'them' and 'less' time hating the best president this country has ever seen.

And let's not forget the most beautiful first lady that has ever graced the Whitehouse.



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Jun 20, 2018 10:23:38   #
Morgan
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, no matter how ugly and stinky that is, especially when both have he same ugly brains, like the criminal democrat bastards, like the whore Stormy, and so many others.


Stormy is a radiant angel compared to you.

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Jun 20, 2018 11:33:22   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
Morgan wrote:
Stormy is a radiant angel compared to you.


You got that right.

That heifer is a looker, ain't she ?



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Jun 20, 2018 11:40:48   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Morgan wrote:
They are now considered committing a crime, before that was a determination, even now I believe it is only a misdemeanor.

There are different groups of people, mothers with children seeking asylum are not criminals and not sneaking in they are on a long line but are still being separated from their children. Some of these children have been deported back without the parents! The parent(s) later on arrival back home not being able to find their children, they are lost, a good chance obducted.
Can you put yourself in the position of an innocent being torn apart and then given to abductors? There goes that life. Are those so-called "wetback" lives worth saving? That name in itself is very disrespectful.

Unfortunately, we are getting an overflow by the violent and suppressive conditions of the countries where they are coming from.
Who in any form of reasonable mind would work collaboratively to make sure these children were reunited before deportation.

They have also figured out that financially it costs us less to keep the parents together.

Where is Trump and our ambassadors working with these countries to address this problem?

Where are the border patrol people who should be on a blow horn while people are on line, stating if they proceed their child can be taken away from them. Why allow them to cross just to encage and detain them?
They are now considered committing a crime, before... (show quote)


First, if they present themselves at a Port-of-Entry, (there are 48 of them on every major highway and some not so major ones on the border,) they will not be separated initially, unless it is determined that the parents are prior deportees, or have committed crimes in the US. The asylum seekers can leave voluntarily with their kids at any time. If they insist on claiming refugee status/asylum, they are processed, and if this process takes longer than 20 days their children are taken. This is not a law that the Trump Administration enacted. It was signed by George W. and those pictures of children crammed into small spaces were taken during the Obama Administration. They have not been held in cages since your hero, Obama was in office. Once more the pics of children in cages are from 2013 and 2014.
You are quick to accuse Trump of things he did not do or was not responsible for, and just as quick to give any Democrat who does the same or worse a complete pass.

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Jun 20, 2018 11:44:34   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Morgan wrote:
Stormy is a radiant angel compared to you.

A warthog is a radiant angel compared to me, what's your point? I have always wondered why in California, if you have sex for money in a motel room you're a whore, and if you do the same thing in front of a movie camera you're an actress.

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Jun 20, 2018 11:45:15   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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That just proves you that you are dumb. Why can't you understand the law?

I do... these people are crossing the border illegally... according to this law right here... https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325. So... let me know when you catch up to the conversation.

Radiance3 wrote:

Why do you tolerate people to commit crimes against the United States.

Because I have morals that don't stop at the law. I can see that some laws are just and some are not. I guess that's hard for a sheep like you to understand.

Radiance3 wrote:

You don't care because you are of the same kind?

Yes, I am human. Just like they are.

Radiance3 wrote:

You justify people committing crimes because that is your standard that committing crimes are okay?

Where do you see me justifying their crimes? Again, Morgan and I aren't talking about the crimes, we're talking about the cruel and unusual punishment for those crimes. Cruel and Unusual punishment is a violation of the 8th Amendment. Why don't you understand the Constitution? Do you know what that is?

Radiance3 wrote:

No wonder all democrats defend these criminals because they do it themselves. You are of the same kind. You harmonize living with them commit crimes against this country.

Are you telling me that I'm a criminal?

Radiance3 wrote:

Democrats want more illegal aliens because these are the people like them, they use them to vote fraudulently for democrats so they win the election by fraud.

Fantasy.

Radiance3 wrote:

The more of them, then they always win the election for greed, for power, stealing, and lying like Hillary and Obama. Are you proud of them? Of course you are. Because your brains are the same.

Yes, I am proud of the people that stand up to fascism and fight for human rights... They're awesome!

Radiance3 wrote:

Nancy Pelosi even defends those criminals MS13, and vilified the innocent victims killed by her gangsters. That's the substance of the democrat brain. Where did these MS13 come from? From the same people that you are defending.

That's the cost of freedom. If you want to live in a free country you have to accept the dangers that come with it. This is the difference between us. You're too scared to be free. You want to hide behind walls.

Radiance3 wrote:

Scared of the competition to commit crimes?

That's not what I said... I suggested that you might be scared of the competition for jobs. That *IS* one of the prevailing arguments on your side... That immigrants are taking your jobs.

Radiance3 wrote:

These people are professional criminals. First they start coming to the US by breaking the law. Then they elevate their crimes as they stay longer and supported by you and the rest of the democrats.

Wow, you're so wrapped up in your fear that you're delusional. Maybe you ought to seek help.

Radiance3 wrote:

Competition? WE the taxpayers, spend more than $116 billion annually to support these criminals, plus more than $6.5 billion committed via IRS crimes.They steal SS numbers, file fraud IRS reports to get money from the IRS.

Where did you get those numbers from; Trumps giant ass? LOL. As for the crimes, yes... people do these things but they are mostly U.S. citizens. You should collect your thoughts before you blurt them out because when someone who doesn't think undocumented immigrants pay any taxes says they file fraudulent IRS reports, it becomes pretty obvious how stupid they are. ;)

Radiance3 wrote:

Compete to committing crimes? These are their expertise.
They could not read and write, make so many babies and do the same crimes with their parents as the babies grow up. Are you one of them?

Well, I can read and write a HELL of a lot better than you can, that much is pretty obvious. You also seem determined to suggest that I am one of them. If you are asking if I am an illegal immigrant, the answer is no. But I have a LOT more respect for them than I do for chicken-sh*t bigots like you.

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Jun 20, 2018 11:59:16   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
straightUp wrote:
Well, I can read and write a HELL of a lot better than you can, that much is pretty obvious. You also seem determined to suggest that I am one of them. If you are asking if I am an illegal immigrant, the answer is no. But I have a LOT more respect for them than I do for chicken-sh*t bigots like you.



"Where did you get those numbers from; Trumps giant ass? LOL. As for the crimes, yes... people do these things but they are mostly U.S. citizens. You should collect your thoughts before you blurt them out because when someone who doesn't think undocumented immigrants pay any taxes says they file fraudulent IRS reports, it becomes pretty obvious how stupid they are."
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/irs-documented-13m-identity-thefts-illegal-aliens-cant-say-it

https://cis.org/Report/Illegal-Not-Undocumented
Your own ass must be pretty ample as this is another load of crap you pulled out of it.
Any time a wetback gets a job using a stolen or fraudulent social security number they commit a felony. Paying payroll taxes with a stolen number is a felony. Obtaining benefits of any sort with stolen or fraudulent ID is a felony. They file fraudulent reports because the ID number they use if fraudulent. Possession of a fake or stolen ID is a felony, use of it for any benefit is a felony. The IRS has documented well over a million cases of wetbacks using stolen ID's, and this is not something they pursue as enthusiastically as they do forcing the victims of the ID theft to pay taxes on money they never received.

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Jun 20, 2018 12:02:05   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
straightUp wrote:
Well, I can read and write a HELL of a lot better than you can, that much is pretty obvious. You also seem determined to suggest that I am one of them. If you are asking if I am an illegal immigrant, the answer is no. But I have a LOT more respect for them than I do for chicken-sh*t bigots like you.



"Yes, I am proud of the people that stand up to fascism and fight for human rights... They're awesome!"
So your definition of standing up to fascism and fighting for human rights is to sneak into a foreign country to take advantage of their generosity, flaunt their laws, disrespect their citizens by stealing their identities and then demanding amnesty for their crimes.
The only thing awesome is your gall.

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Jun 20, 2018 12:03:48   #
Morgan
 
Loki wrote:
straightUp wrote:
Yes, it IS different... It's VERY different. You're the one wishing it was wasn't... or to be more accurate refusing to accept the facts. It's what you bigots do whenever you're called out.

Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor. U.S. citizens don't get imprisoned for misdemeanors and so they don't get separated from their children. But that's just a technical difference... The difference most decent people are upset about is that Trump is separating the families as a deterrent. Children of U.S. citizens have NEVER been separated for that reason.
Yes, it IS different... It's VERY different. You'r... (show quote)


I don't need a link, but you need a reminder.
I believe you said "But he IS sending people to gulags... we just have a different word for them... We call them "detention centers"." As a matter of fact, you said that right before the link you so thoughtfully provided.
Misdemeanors are punishable by up to a year in prison. US citizens get sentenced to months in jail every day. Tell us again how "US citizens don't go to prison for misdemeanors." Also, if you get caught sneaking into the country a second time, it's a felony.
I don't know why you have such a hard time understanding that Trump is enforcing a law that his administration and this congress DID NOT PASS. Anyway, the whole purpose of punishment for crimes is deterrence. You didn't know that? When US citizens are sentenced to months in jail over a misdemeanor and their kids are taken, what the hell do you think that is if not a deterrent?
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"As much as I opposed Obama's drone program, I know he didn't use them to strike U.S. citizens."
Ever hear of Anwar al Awlaki? US citizen, born in Denver. Targeted for a drone strike while he was in Yemen. Killed by one. Terrorist? Yep, but nevertheless an American citizen owed the due process you insist that wetbacks receive.
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"Yes, it IS different... It's VERY different. You're the one wishing it was wasn't... or to be more accurate refusing to accept the facts. It's what you bigots do whenever you're called out."
US citizen commits crime, is incarcerated as a deterrent to both citizen and others who might be tempted. Children are taken.
Wetback commits crime, is incarcerated as a deterrent to both wetback and other wetbacks. Children are taken.
What's bigoted about equal treatment?
I suppose we can add these things to the rapidly growing list of things you think you know, that just ain't so.
quote=straightUp Yes, it IS different... It's VER... (show quote)


Loki it is really very different, a citizen arrested here and imprisoned the courts know what family or guardian is listed if there are none they go to foster home. These children that we're speaking of were sent simply away, possibly back home, we don't really know due to the fact they've simply become lost children, that is horrible circumstance and extremely irrsponsible.

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