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Millionaire Republican Senator: Healthcare And Food Are A Privilege, Not A Right
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Apr 25, 2018 04:33:06   #
PeterS
 
The despicable's are at it again...

https://www.themaven.net/theintellectualist/news/millionaire-republican-senator-healthcare-and-food-are-a-privilege-not-a-right-ZKok15Z-fUae6F7M7gY8xQ/

Now go get a job earning minimum wage and stop bitching...

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Apr 25, 2018 05:10:42   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
PeterS wrote:


What about education, plumbing. clothes, electricity, cars? Are they rights or privileges? Which goods & services are rights & which are privileges?

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Apr 25, 2018 05:18:08   #
Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
 
PeterS wrote:


This is going to take some time to sort out. It is a very interesting read, and I will get back to your post shortly.
Thanks for the topic.

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Apr 25, 2018 05:32:28   #
badbob85037
 
PeterS wrote:


Hell of an American that senator. If we had listened to him all these useless government dependence would have starved to death by now.

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Apr 25, 2018 05:54:11   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
PeterS wrote:
There is the difference in an American and a Socialist Democrat.

Americans believe citizens are entitled to the opportunity to earn their food, healthcare and cell phones.

Socialist Democrats believe citizens are entitled to the fruit of other people's hard work to buy food, healthcare, and Obamaphones.

That's why Socialist Democrats are so angered at Trump lowering the unemployment of Black and Hispanic Americans to historic lows. Because once a person transitions from TaxGetter to TaxPayer, they are much more likely to vote against Socialism.

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Apr 25, 2018 05:58:54   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
PeterS wrote:



I read your link. I have taken the liberty of posting a comment on that link by someone calling themselves mike the organist. I couldn't have said it better.
*******

"So we see two things ... (1) Unconstitutional laws are nothing new, with the federal government taking powers not granted to it, and (2) the Senator does not know how to get across what he is trying to say.
So let me say it for him. Rights are contained within the individual and do not require anyone else to supply them. If it's benefits you want, SAY SO and use the correct term, then amend the laws that govern the government so that such a power is formally granted. Rights are one's ability to use one's own natural faculties in any manner one wishes as long as the natural rights of others are not infringed thereby. Benefits are the supplying by one person, or by the whole of the population via central command and control, of the needs of a person who can't, or won't do for himself. I get it that you want benefits. Grant the power, by means of the mechanism provided in the Constitution. and you can have them.
We have been saying for a long, long, time, that if people have needs, the federal government can assume power to take care of those needs. Unfortunately, this means it can assume power to do bad things as well, because the people are unwilling to check it through their representatives because they want the benefits more than they fear the assumption of power.
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One other thing. The right to life is the right to live out one's time here on this earth as long as his own body will allow. It does NOT include a claim on others to provide sustenance. If it's benefits you want, say so. Please do not think there's a claim on others to provide rights.
In order to properly understand rights, it's needful to understand the difference between natural rights and benefits (especially benefits whose purveyors call them rights). Natural rights come from natural law that was put on this Creation by a Creator. Those rights exist even if they're suppressed. Benefits come from people holding power or who run businesses. They only exist as long as the people who say they exist say they do."


I would add to this that with rights come responsibilities. Should you think that you are being denied a right, you have the responsibility to take action to correct the situation, by peacefully petitioning the government for redress of grievances.

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Apr 25, 2018 07:01:48   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Loki wrote:
I read your link. I have taken the liberty of posting a comment on that link by someone calling themselves mike the organist. I couldn't have said it better.
*******

"So we see two things ... (1) Unconstitutional laws are nothing new, with the federal government taking powers not granted to it, and (2) the Senator does not know how to get across what he is trying to say.
So let me say it for him. Rights are contained within the individual and do not require anyone else to supply them. If it's benefits you want, SAY SO and use the correct term, then amend the laws that govern the government so that such a power is formally granted. Rights are one's ability to use one's own natural faculties in any manner one wishes as long as the natural rights of others are not infringed thereby. Benefits are the supplying by one person, or by the whole of the population via central command and control, of the needs of a person who can't, or won't do for himself. I get it that you want benefits. Grant the power, by means of the mechanism provided in the Constitution. and you can have them.
We have been saying for a long, long, time, that if people have needs, the federal government can assume power to take care of those needs. Unfortunately, this means it can assume power to do bad things as well, because the people are unwilling to check it through their representatives because they want the benefits more than they fear the assumption of power.
(edited)
One other thing. The right to life is the right to live out one's time here on this earth as long as his own body will allow. It does NOT include a claim on others to provide sustenance. If it's benefits you want, say so. Please do not think there's a claim on others to provide rights.
In order to properly understand rights, it's needful to understand the difference between natural rights and benefits (especially benefits whose purveyors call them rights). Natural rights come from natural law that was put on this Creation by a Creator. Those rights exist even if they're suppressed. Benefits come from people holding power or who run businesses. They only exist as long as the people who say they exist say they do."


I would add to this that with rights come responsibilities. Should you think that you are being denied a right, you have the responsibility to take action to correct the situation, by peacefully petitioning the government for redress of grievances.
I read your link. I have taken the liberty of post... (show quote)


Great response Loki.

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Apr 25, 2018 07:04:45   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
ACP45 wrote:
Great response Loki.


As I said, it was written by someone else. I wish I had written it.

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Apr 25, 2018 07:26:06   #
waltmoreno
 
Loki wrote:
I read your link. I have taken the liberty of posting a comment on that link by someone calling themselves mike the organist. I couldn't have said it better.
*******

"So we see two things ... (1) Unconstitutional laws are nothing new, with the federal government taking powers not granted to it, and (2) the Senator does not know how to get across what he is trying to say.
So let me say it for him. Rights are contained within the individual and do not require anyone else to supply them. If it's benefits you want, SAY SO and use the correct term, then amend the laws that govern the government so that such a power is formally granted. Rights are one's ability to use one's own natural faculties in any manner one wishes as long as the natural rights of others are not infringed thereby. Benefits are the supplying by one person, or by the whole of the population via central command and control, of the needs of a person who can't, or won't do for himself. I get it that you want benefits. Grant the power, by means of the mechanism provided in the Constitution. and you can have them.
We have been saying for a long, long, time, that if people have needs, the federal government can assume power to take care of those needs. Unfortunately, this means it can assume power to do bad things as well, because the people are unwilling to check it through their representatives because they want the benefits more than they fear the assumption of power.
(edited)
One other thing. The right to life is the right to live out one's time here on this earth as long as his own body will allow. It does NOT include a claim on others to provide sustenance. If it's benefits you want, say so. Please do not think there's a claim on others to provide rights.
In order to properly understand rights, it's needful to understand the difference between natural rights and benefits (especially benefits whose purveyors call them rights). Natural rights come from natural law that was put on this Creation by a Creator. Those rights exist even if they're suppressed. Benefits come from people holding power or who run businesses. They only exist as long as the people who say they exist say they do."


I would add to this that with rights come responsibilities. Should you think that you are being denied a right, you have the responsibility to take action to correct the situation, by peacefully petitioning the government for redress of grievances.
I read your link. I have taken the liberty of post... (show quote)


Bingo!
Rights are contained in the amendments to the constitution aka known as the Bill of Rights. They don't take anything from others.
Your right to freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, your right to bear arms, to be free from unreasonable searches in your home or property, your right against self incrimination, to be free from cruel and unusual punishment, etc., etc. take nothing from anyone else. Hence they are properly called inalienable rights. Our constitution recognizes that they are not dispensed by the government but come from God.
Benefits such as food and housing most assuredly take from others as food and housing come only at a cost to those who provide the food and the housing.
If someone else, ie., the taxpayer, must provide it, it's not a right but a benefit.

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Apr 25, 2018 07:29:20   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
PeterS wrote:



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Apr 25, 2018 07:30:52   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Bad Bob wrote:


Read Loki's post by one of the commenters in that article. See if that makes any sense to you.

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Apr 25, 2018 07:36:26   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
ACP45 wrote:
Read Loki's post by one of the commenters in that article. See if that makes any sense to you.


Waste of time.

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Apr 25, 2018 08:00:15   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
PeterS wrote:


It is generally acknowledged that hunger is both a violation of human dignity and an obstacle to social, political and economic progress...We say right to food yet there is no legislation requiring it..providing food as needed for others is a humanitarin effort, which I do support ...

Healthcare is not a right or even a privilege it had been “mandated” by socialistic demand of the government.. It is a choice and if you chose not to have it then you suffer your own consequence.. Mandated because of the Exorbitant costs to society or so it is said..
Exhorbant costs come from a government using the system in its present “broken capacity” to wreck havoc in fraud and money laundering operations for politicians and Insurance companies..Fix that and all could afford the choice to have insurance..

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Apr 25, 2018 08:07:48   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Loki wrote:
I read your link. I have taken the liberty of posting a comment on that link by someone calling themselves mike the organist. I couldn't have said it better.
*******

"So we see two things ... (1) Unconstitutional laws are nothing new, with the federal government taking powers not granted to it, and (2) the Senator does not know how to get across what he is trying to say.
So let me say it for him. Rights are contained within the individual and do not require anyone else to supply them. If it's benefits you want, SAY SO and use the correct term, then amend the laws that govern the government so that such a power is formally granted. Rights are one's ability to use one's own natural faculties in any manner one wishes as long as the natural rights of others are not infringed thereby. Benefits are the supplying by one person, or by the whole of the population via central command and control, of the needs of a person who can't, or won't do for himself. I get it that you want benefits. Grant the power, by means of the mechanism provided in the Constitution. and you can have them.
We have been saying for a long, long, time, that if people have needs, the federal government can assume power to take care of those needs. Unfortunately, this means it can assume power to do bad things as well, because the people are unwilling to check it through their representatives because they want the benefits more than they fear the assumption of power.
(edited)
One other thing. The right to life is the right to live out one's time here on this earth as long as his own body will allow. It does NOT include a claim on others to provide sustenance. If it's benefits you want, say so. Please do not think there's a claim on others to provide rights.
In order to properly understand rights, it's needful to understand the difference between natural rights and benefits (especially benefits whose purveyors call them rights). Natural rights come from natural law that was put on this Creation by a Creator. Those rights exist even if they're suppressed. Benefits come from people holding power or who run businesses. They only exist as long as the people who say they exist say they do."


I would add to this that with rights come responsibilities. Should you think that you are being denied a right, you have the responsibility to take action to correct the situation, by peacefully petitioning the government for redress of grievances.
I read your link. I have taken the liberty of post... (show quote)


Well he does sum it up nicely and I like your addition as well...

Don’t like it take the iniative to change it instead of just bitching....👍

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Apr 25, 2018 09:03:04   #
Rarewein
 
Well thought and spoken.

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