saltwind 78 wrote:
Voice, As a liberal/progressive, I never heard of your definition. A conservative lives in the best of all possible worlds. They believe that it is their duty to stand in the road of history with a stop sign. There should be no change in the traditional way of doing things. Those in power or with huge fortunes are in those positions because they deserve to be. Poor people are in that position for much the same reason. If they need more money to live a decent life, they should depend on charity, not state aid.
A liberal believes that in a wealthy country like the US, everybody is entitled to the basic things in life needed for a decent life, like health care. It should be paid for by state funds and not just given to the super rich as a tax write off. The conservative would say, what tax write off? They earned it, it's theirs. If less wealthy folks need more money, they should work harder. Does that just about cover it?
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I agree with a few of your assessments on a limited degree.
To some degree their are the poor, not mentally ill, not stupid, however have extremely weak social skills, slightly below the average IQ and short of falling into good luck will be lifelong dependant on minimum wage with challenges finding employers eager to hire them. Could be genetics, familual history or a dozen other factors individual or combined.
Then we have a larger percentage with poor social skills, didn't graduate high school, their not stupid instead smart and average or slightly above average IQ, however no motivation, no sense of desire to work their way up the ladder, ignore traits of those that are achievers. They can find employment at lower wage base but with effort.
Then the above, but are flat out lazy. Seek ways to beat the system in a full effort to avoid a forty hour work week, subject to authority and being submissive to employers is not in their plans.
To the lest degree are the mentally slow, unable to maintain and secure full employment.
I may have missed a few, for sure am not using all the proper terminology.
I'm basing the above on conversations with my wife while she was doing her psychology studies for her PHD, she was doing a paper on this very subject, it also included bias and racism, as well as ways social programs of the state and Federal government continues many generational patterns found mostly in Black's and Native Americans. Our government programs are not designed to assist bringing many if our minority groups out if their third world challenges, instead they accomplish holding them down.
Our system is broken. It does not have a workable "hand up" program, instead it's a handout program.
Oregon state had a extremely successful hand up program. It didn't penalize housing, food stamps, or monthly cash for a person trying to enter the work force, and was thoughtfully tiered giving a person more income, based on time / income increases while maintaining benefits. They also included training for resumes, interviewing skills, job search and placement assistance.
The outcome was that many began working plus receiving benefits. They had more money to live on, spending and the state was able to reduce the amount of total benefits, saving tax payers.
The surprise outcome was, over time a high percentage worked up the ladder or found a living wage far exceeding benifits and completely exited all benifits
Can you guess what happened? I'll tell you, liberal lawmakers canceled the program, a truly successful program.
Trump is on the right track with his EO, only if he adds programs liken to what Oregon state had. If not, many in the free ride will have to work for a living, but also many of those dependant of social programs to survive may get hurt in the process.
We'll see what Trump adds to his work or no benefits.
Based on my wife's research, only between 25-30% maximum need full government benefits of the hundred something million currently receiving benefits.
It also means tens of millions of jobs need to be available.