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Apr 8, 2018 23:08:47   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
TexaCan wrote:
After I showed my husband his ridiculous rants against Pennylynn and his attempt to cover up his lie , he told me to leave him alone. He thinks he may really have a serious mental problem. In this day and time you never know!!!!!

I lost my temper because of his disrespect of PLT Sarge! I'm a little too old to lose my temper! Back to just being a reader of OPP!


Nah. I enjoy your input. Just ignore him.

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Apr 8, 2018 23:11:03   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
JFlorio wrote:
Nah. I enjoy your input. Just ignore him.


Thank you!

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Apr 8, 2018 23:27:31   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
TexaCan,

Your opinions and comments are much appreciated by most folks on OPP, please do not go silent!

A word about Rumitoid, he is a very lonely individual. Keep this in mind as you read his comments, he is not looking for conversation or even discussions.... what he wants is a reply.... positive or negative, it does not matter as long as you respond and give him recognition. So, my recommendation..... see his comments for what they are, a desperate and childlike cry for attention. I just laugh about his rants....I hope you can learn to laugh at his childish behavior along with the rest of us.

TexaCan wrote:
Thank you!

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Apr 8, 2018 23:49:40   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Pennylynn wrote:
TexaCan,

Your opinions and comments are much appreciated by most folks on OPP, please do not go silent!

A word about Rumitoid, he is a very lonely individual. Keep this in mind as you read his comments, he is not looking for conversation or even discussions.... what he wants is a reply.... positive or negative, it does not matter as long as you respond and give him recognition. So, my recommendation..... see his comments for what they are, a desperate and childlike cry for attention. I just laugh about his rants....I hope you can learn to laugh at his childish behavior along with the rest of us.
TexaCan, br br Your opinions and comments are muc... (show quote)


I did not mean that I was just running away. I really enjoy doing a lot more reading of OPP than posting! I lost my temper tonight, very very silly on my part! First his silly lie and then his disrespect of Sarg. Thank you for kind words! I really enjoy all the different personalities and the interaction between everyone. I will be out here learning and laughing and ever once in awhile I’ll add my two-cents worth! Good night to all!

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Apr 9, 2018 05:43:08   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Well, actually, Christians should participate fully in campaigning for the candidates of their choice, as should all other citizens of any nation fortunate enough to have the privilege of electing their government.

Being a Christian does not disallow any individual from the same rights and privileges as any other citizen.

Why would you believe it to be otherwise?

"The right," whether, right morally, right fiscally, right socially, or a combination of all three, are not in lockstep, as are the Democrats/Liberals/Progressives, as you can readily see by their recent voting patterns.

As to who is interested in the "best interest of America," at present that is neither party, with the exception of President Trump, and those who are actually supporting him in his efforts, who are located in "flyover country," including the "Bible belt."

That does not include the leaders of either party or the embedded Washington "elites," - those veteran power players who care only for their own careers, their own power and their own accumulation of wealth.

Rumitoid, I believe you already know well everything I've just elucidated, however, glancing through the replies you've engendered, you have, for whatever reason, a genius for reducing your opposition into mindless "foaming at the mouth" rudeness, rather than treating you as a fellow human being worthy of receiving the same respect as any other member of the OPP forum.

I admire your ability to maintain your poise under such conditions, and against such a display of "mob" mentality in bullying you.

Please do keep on keeping on.


rumitoid wrote:
Blindness to fact and allegiance to Party Line sums up the Right. The Left remains a little naive, and maybe lazy: they still believe there is a functional rapport in the best interest for America. Forgive them, they are slow; such a rapport ended maybe a decade ago with Evangelical demonetization of the Left, though that feeling was growing with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson from the 70s. Christianity is the cause of our present divisiveness and will be the cause of America's demise. We have stark evidence that their interference in politics usually ends catastrophically. Enter Prohibition.

The Temperance Movement helped forge an underworld; it was the impetus for the Mafia and later Cartels. It's no-nothing plunge into worldliness generated decades of criminal enterprises. Without Christian interference of government policy in establishing Prohibition, we would always be looking at isolated violations of law: Christianity helped create an empire of wrong. The road of good intentions....

Christians, no matter how well-intentioned, should avoid all politics at the risk of their immortal souls.
Blindness to fact and allegiance to Party Line sum... (show quote)

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Apr 9, 2018 19:47:44   #
rumitoid
 
TexaCan wrote:
I'm tired of dummies that tell ignorant lies!!!!!


Do you know the difference between then and now? You are calling a lie what was true before and is no longer true now. Duh! I was young now I am old: which fact am I lying about? This is so ridiculous but you are not conscious enough to know the difference.

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Apr 9, 2018 19:54:42   #
rumitoid
 
TexaCan wrote:
On March 31 you told Archie on the thread : Climate change man-made or not, is not a political issue.
" I do not own a car and bike everywhere."

On April 8 you told Archie : Instead of a wall, use the Billion Dollars it would cost on infra-structure make our roads and bridges safe ( that was the name of the thread)
Rumi said "no actually, for maybe thirty years or more. And I do not lock MY CAR ever. No problem"

You lied 🤥 Rumitoid! Do you really think that you are so intelligent that you can talk yourself out of this ridiculous lie?
On March 31 you only own a bike and then 8 days later you never lock your car!

You seriously need professional help!!!!!
On March 31 you told Archie on the thread : Climat... (show quote)


How dense can you be? For thirty years or more I did not lock my car. That was thirty-five years ago. This obsession you have overlooking basic timelines to prove an inconsequential point is fascinating. Why are you so obsessed with me? I only see you post on my threads or in response to my comments. Love your perverse adulation.

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Apr 9, 2018 19:59:32   #
rumitoid
 
TexaCan wrote:
On March 31 you told Archie on the thread : Climate change man-made or not, is not a political issue.
" I do not own a car and bike everywhere."

On April 8 you told Archie : Instead of a wall, use the Billion Dollars it would cost on infra-structure make our roads and bridges safe ( that was the name of the thread)
Rumi said "no actually, for maybe thirty years or more. And I do not lock MY CAR ever. No problem"

You lied 🤥 Rumitoid! Do you really think that you are so intelligent that you can talk yourself out of this ridiculous lie?
On March 31 you only own a bike and then 8 days later you never lock your car!

You seriously need professional help!!!!!
On March 31 you told Archie on the thread : Climat... (show quote)


No, I think you are really that unscrupulous as to make nothing into an indictment. Your obsession with me needs professional scrutiny.

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Apr 9, 2018 20:07:22   #
rumitoid
 
TexaCan wrote:
After I showed my husband his ridiculous rants against Pennylynn and his attempt to cover up his lie , he told me to leave him alone. He thinks he may really have a serious mental problem. In this day and time you never know!!!!!

I lost my temper because of his disrespect of PLT Sarge! I'm a little too old to lose my temper! Back to just being a reader of OPP!


I do have a serious mental problem: I do not like dealing with overly-obsessive and dense posters. Meaning you. People who twist facts to impugn character. You are a troll. Personal attacks without substantive thought or argument on a topic makes you the definition. Flail away, little toady. I will not respond to you until you have substantive thought or argument on a topic.

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Apr 9, 2018 20:13:15   #
rumitoid
 
TexaCan wrote:
And you claim to know and tell TRUTH!


I have never claimed to know and tell TRUTH (all caps or otherwise), something else you corrupted about my posts. I simply share how I see things, never claiming any special and correct insight. I always add "as I see it" or words to that effect when dealing with the Bible.

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Apr 9, 2018 20:25:57   #
rumitoid
 
Pennylynn wrote:
TexaCan,

Your opinions and comments are much appreciated by most folks on OPP, please do not go silent!

A word about Rumitoid, he is a very lonely individual. Keep this in mind as you read his comments, he is not looking for conversation or even discussions.... what he wants is a reply.... positive or negative, it does not matter as long as you respond and give him recognition. So, my recommendation..... see his comments for what they are, a desperate and childlike cry for attention. I just laugh about his rants....I hope you can learn to laugh at his childish behavior along with the rest of us.
TexaCan, br br Your opinions and comments are muc... (show quote)


I am a very lonely individual and need recognition, good or bad. My desperate and childlike cry for attention should not be laughed at. Pity me, give me your shoulder to cry on, or humor me without insults and denigrating games to assault me but respond as an adult to the topic. Or you are a troll! This pathetic tag-team between you two to be Meanie-me and Meanie-too is amusing. Just ad hominem posing falsely as childish character assessment. Assassination, is the word.

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Apr 9, 2018 20:58:20   #
rumitoid
 
Zemirah wrote:
Well, actually, Christians should participate fully in campaigning for the candidates of their choice, as should all other citizens of any nation fortunate enough to have the privilege of electing their government.

Being a Christian does not disallow any individual from the same rights and privileges as any other citizen.

Why would you believe it to be otherwise?

"The right," whether, right morally, right fiscally, right socially, or a combination of all three, are not in lockstep, as are the Democrats/Liberals/Progressives, as you can readily see by their recent voting patterns.

As to who is interested in the "best interest of America," at present that is neither party, with the exception of President Trump, and those who are actually supporting him in his efforts, who are located in "flyover country," including the "Bible belt."

That does not include the leaders of either party or the embedded Washington "elites," - those veteran power players who care only for their own careers, their own power and their own accumulation of wealth.

Rumitoid, I believe you already know well everything I've just elucidated, however, glancing through the replies you've engendered, you have, for whatever reason, a genius for reducing your opposition into mindless "foaming at the mouth" rudeness, rather than treating you as a fellow human being worthy of receiving the same respect as any other member of the OPP forum.

I admire your ability to maintain your poise under such conditions, and against such a display of "mob" mentality in bullying you.

Please do keep on keeping on.
Well, actually, Christians should participate full... (show quote)


"Rumitoid, I believe you already know well everything I've just elucidated, however, glancing through the replies you've engendered, you have, for whatever reason, a genius for reducing your opposition into mindless "foaming at the mouth" rudeness, rather than treating you as a fellow human being worthy of receiving the same respect as any other member of the OPP forum."

That is very much appreciated. Thank you.

"I admire your ability to maintain your poise under such conditions, and against such a display of "mob" mentality in bullying you."
That is really appreciated. Thank you again.

Now to the points you brought up.
Please explain the Biblical references to us being "strangers in a strange land," such as this: John 15:18-19 "If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you." John17:16 "They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world." Philippians 3:20 "For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ." Best of all this: Hebrews 11:13-16: "All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own. And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return."

"Strangers and exiles on earth." Jesus said he had nowhere to lay his head. I take it that we leave it to God or we abandon God and go political. Love is not mainstream life. Countries and people have enemies. To be as perfect as the father in heaven is perfect, we must love our enemies. This is not done through a sniper scope or legislation. The way of Christ is radically different than conventional wisdom and contrary to worldly values. If a Christian is a pillar of society, they have betrayed Christ. It is impossible not to. There is no common ground for a person set apart for Christ's love for all with a patriot's love of country. If you or I are not hated by your neighbors, we are doing something wrong in our faith. Being invited to the WH is a sure sign of straying from Christ's message.

Every Christian is charged with being a clear distinction between the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of earth. That can only be accomplished by Spirit and grace. Its nature is far too radical for us to do alone, on our free will. It goes against our basic nature and psychological needs. All of us want to belong, accepted, be part of our community. Jesus says No to that need. Not that we look to set ourselves apart--as do Mennonites, the Amish, and other anabaptist--but rather deeply involved ourselves in community through ministries of love and support.

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Apr 11, 2018 03:49:33   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Hi rumitoid,

It is not either/or. Are you not capable of walking and chewing gum at the very same time?

Did Jesus not say, "Unto God, the things that are Gods, and unto Caesar the things that are Caesars?"

Do we not bring our "Caesars" to power through our political process?

Jesus never said it was mutually exclusive, that we could not engage in both.

The reference in John 15 is part of Jesus' farewell speech to his followers, before his upcoming crucifixion, resurrection and ascension, back whence He had come.

In that portion (John 15:18-19), he was warning them of the persecution to which they would be subjected in the future, for their worship of Him and His Father God, who had sent Him.

Hebrews 11 is referring to all those Old Testament Patriarchs who looked forward to the promised Messiah who would permanently remove their sin, and although they did not live to see Him, they died in full faith that He would yet live to make atonement for their sins.

You omitted the text of Hebrew 11:16 below: "Instead, they were longing for a better country - a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them."

- Just as Jesus said, He has prepared a mansion for each of us who believe...

John17:15 "I am not asking you to take them out of the world , but that you keep them safe from the evil one .
16: They do not belong to the world just as I do not belong to the world.
17: Set them apart in the truth; your word is truth.
18: Just as you sent me into the world , so I sent them into the world.

rumitoid, John 17:16 needs context. This, again is speaking of the gospel: The Father had sent His Son into the world with the message of salvation through faith in Him (John 3:16-18). Jesus is now sending we who believe with that same message... We are set apart from the world that is in the grasp of "the Evil One..." (in the world, but not of it)

In Philippians 3:12–21, Paul imparts the meaning of life, calling all Christians to a task accomplished only through two-way communication with Jesus Christ, through prayer and absorbing His written Words, leading to inner peace, purpose, and joy in our earthly life and in the life which is to come. Paul is urging us to set our earthly goals on heavenly rewards.

Jesus said He came that "we might have life and have it more abundantly" (John 10:10) - not to be an ascetic hermit.


rumitoid wrote:
"Rumitoid, I believe you already know well everything I've just elucidated, however, glancing through the replies you've engendered, you have, for whatever reason, a genius for reducing your opposition into mindless "foaming at the mouth" rudeness, rather than treating you as a fellow human being worthy of receiving the same respect as any other member of the OPP forum."

That is very much appreciated. Thank you.

"I admire your ability to maintain your poise under such conditions, and against such a display of "mob" mentality in bullying you."
That is really appreciated. Thank you again.

Now to the points you brought up.
Please explain the Biblical references to us being "strangers in a strange land," such as this: John 15:18-19 "If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you." John17:16 "They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world." Philippians 3:20 "For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ." Best of all this: Hebrews 11:13-16: "All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.
14: For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own.
15: And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return."

"Strangers and exiles on earth." Jesus said he had nowhere to lay his head. I take it that we leave it to God or we abandon God and go political. Love is not mainstream life. Countries and people have enemies. To be as perfect as the father in heaven is perfect, we must love our enemies. This is not done through a sniper scope or legislation. The way of Christ is radically different than conventional wisdom and contrary to worldly values. If a Christian is a pillar of society, they have betrayed Christ. It is impossible not to. There is no common ground for a person set apart for Christ's love for all with a patriot's love of country. If you or I are not hated by your neighbors, we are doing something wrong in our faith. Being invited to the WH is a sure sign of straying from Christ's message.

Every Christian is charged with being a clear distinction between the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of earth. That can only be accomplished by Spirit and grace. Its nature is far too radical for us to do alone, on our free will. It goes against our basic nature and psychological needs. All of us want to belong, accepted, be part of our community. Jesus says No to that need. Not that we look to set ourselves apart--as do Mennonites, the Amish, and other anabaptist--but rather deeply involved ourselves in community through ministries of love and support.
"Rumitoid, I believe you already know well ev... (show quote)

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Apr 11, 2018 18:18:18   #
rumitoid
 
Zemirah wrote:
Hi rumitoid,

It is not either/or. Are you not capable of walking and chewing gum at the very same time?

Did Jesus not say, "Unto God, the things that are Gods, and unto Caesar the things that are Caesars?"

Do we not bring our "Caesars" to power through our political process?

Jesus never said it was mutually exclusive, that we could not engage in both.

The reference in John 15 is part of Jesus' farewell speech to his followers, before his upcoming crucifixion, resurrection and ascension, back whence He had come.

In that portion (John 15:18-19), he was warning them of the persecution to which they would be subjected in the future, for their worship of Him and His Father God, who had sent Him.

Hebrews 11 is referring to all those Old Testament Patriarchs who looked forward to the promised Messiah who would permanently remove their sin, and although they did not live to see Him, they died in full faith that He would yet live to make atonement for their sins.

You omitted the text of Hebrew 11:16 below: "Instead, they were longing for a better country - a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them."

- Just as Jesus said, He has prepared a mansion for each of us who believe...

John17:15 "I am not asking you to take them out of the world , but that you keep them safe from the evil one .
16: They do not belong to the world just as I do not belong to the world.
17: Set them apart in the truth; your word is truth.
18: Just as you sent me into the world , so I sent them into the world.

rumitoid, John 17:16 needs context. This, again is speaking of the gospel: The Father had sent His Son into the world with the message of salvation through faith in Him (John 3:16-18). Jesus is now sending we who believe with that same message... We are set apart from the world that is in the grasp of "the Evil One..." (in the world, but not of it)

In Philippians 3:12–21, Paul imparts the meaning of life, calling all Christians to a task accomplished only through two-way communication with Jesus Christ, through prayer and absorbing His written Words, leading to inner peace, purpose, and joy in our earthly life and in the life which is to come. Paul is urging us to set our earthly goals on heavenly rewards.

Jesus said He came that "we might have life and have it more abundantly" (John 10:10) - not to be an ascetic hermit.
Hi rumitoid, br br It is not either/or. Are you n... (show quote)


I see no need for the insult: "Are you not capable of walking and chewing gum at the very same time?"

Do we not bring our "Caesars" to power through our political process? And an answer to this; "Jesus never said it was mutually exclusive, that we could not engage in both." Yes, he did: "A house divided against itself will fall."
Satan is presently called the "god of this world" in II Corinthians 4:4. Jesus referred to Satan's Kingdom in Matthew 12:26 when He said, "And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?" This world and this world's kingdoms are under the domain of Satan. When Jesus Christ was tempted by Satan, "...the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, 'All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou wilt worship me all shalt be thine.' (Luke 4:5-7)." Was this a bona fide offer? Could Satan offer all this world's kingdoms to Jesus Christ? The answer is yes!

One day Jesus Christ will take away the kingdoms of this world from Satan and they will become His. The book of Revelation tells us, "...The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and His Christ; and He shall reign forever and ever (Revelation 11:15)." But, presently, Satan has control.

Satan's primary objective is to prevent people from understanding the gospel message so that they might be saved. "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God should shine unto them (I Corinthians 4:4)." Satan often blinds the lost by giving them a heavenly way to go to hell. In other words religion is Satan's substitute for the gospel.

Then you go on to say what is very obvious to any Christian, yet I feel you take it to a place beyond its intentions:
"The reference in John 15 is part of Jesus' farewell speech to his followers, before his upcoming crucifixion, resurrection and ascension, back whence He had come." Sorry, but Duh! Of course. Yet you appear not to fathom the full scope of that warning.

In that portion (John 15:18-19), he was warning them of the persecution to which they would be subjected in the future, for their worship of Him and His Father God, who had sent Him." Yes, because they are apart of this world, chosen out of it (holiness) and not for their voting preferences in the world.

Hebrews 11 is referring to all those Old Testament Patriarchs who looked forward to the promised Messiah who would permanently remove their sin, and although they did not live to see Him, they died in full faith that He would yet live to make atonement for their sins. Why do you take for me for a total illiterate of the Bible? But, again, there is more to this.

You omitted the text of Hebrew 11:16 below: "Instead, they were longing for a better country - a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them." I did omit that yet it backs my point: "a heavenly one," not an earthly city paved with gold.

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Apr 18, 2018 13:22:14   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
rumitoid,

If you choose to be insulted, that is your prerogative. That was not my intent.

I neither control others reactions to my words, nor do I lose any sleep over those things I do not control.


Personally, nothing anyone on an internet forum says could insult me. I choose to be indifferent to insults.

If we were unable to render to the government (Caesar) their taxes and to simultaneously render to God the praise and worship due Him, Jesus would have said so... different realms, different responsibilities to each.

We are to obey the government unless and until they attempt to cross into God's realm, then as Peter said, "We must please God and not men."

This is a debate forum, many topics and many diverse personalities clearly the purpose of a political forum... covers all views.

"Equal Opportunity" insults are always available to all who choose to feel insulted.


rumitoid wrote:
I see no need for the insult: "Are you not capable of walking and chewing gum at the very same time?"

Do we not bring our "Caesars" to power through our political process? And an answer to this; "Jesus never said it was mutually exclusive, that we could not engage in both." Yes, he did: "A house divided against itself will fall."
Satan is presently called the "god of this world" in II Corinthians 4:4. Jesus referred to Satan's Kingdom in Matthew 12:26 when He said, "And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?" This world and this world's kingdoms are under the domain of Satan. When Jesus Christ was tempted by Satan, "...the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, 'All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou wilt worship me all shalt be thine.' (Luke 4:5-7)." Was this a bona fide offer? Could Satan offer all this world's kingdoms to Jesus Christ? The answer is yes!

One day Jesus Christ will take away the kingdoms of this world from Satan and they will become His. The book of Revelation tells us, "...The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and His Christ; and He shall reign forever and ever (Revelation 11:15)." But, presently, Satan has control.

Satan's primary objective is to prevent people from understanding the gospel message so that they might be saved. "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God should shine unto them (I Corinthians 4:4)." Satan often blinds the lost by giving them a heavenly way to go to hell. In other words religion is Satan's substitute for the gospel.

Then you go on to say what is very obvious to any Christian, yet I feel you take it to a place beyond its intentions:
"The reference in John 15 is part of Jesus' farewell speech to his followers, before his upcoming crucifixion, resurrection and ascension, back whence He had come." Sorry, but Duh! Of course. Yet you appear not to fathom the full scope of that warning.

In that portion (John 15:18-19), he was warning them of the persecution to which they would be subjected in the future, for their worship of Him and His Father God, who had sent Him." Yes, because they are apart of this world, chosen out of it (holiness) and not for their voting preferences in the world.

Hebrews 11 is referring to all those Old Testament Patriarchs who looked forward to the promised Messiah who would permanently remove their sin, and although they did not live to see Him, they died in full faith that He would yet live to make atonement for their sins. Why do you take for me for a total illiterate of the Bible? But, again, there is more to this.

You omitted the text of Hebrew 11:16 below: "Instead, they were longing for a better country - a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them." I did omit that yet it backs my point: "a heavenly one," not an earthly city paved with gold.
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