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Mar 26, 2018 11:35:54   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
lindajoy wrote:
Bingo!!!’ You tell it true!!!

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Mar 26, 2018 11:38:58   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Mongo, I think that the teachers in schools today are the best ever. The education courses I have taken are excellent. If there is something you don't like about the public schools, talk to the public school , and board of ed officials. They are the people that determine what the curricula is and now, how it is taught, not the teachers. I saw no evidence of brain washing in any of the school systems that I taught in, which includes Washington, D.C., Montgomery County, MD, New York City, Frederick County, MD and several excellent private schools. Washington certainly was the most corrupt and had the worst ed. system of the bunch in spite of a well funded system.
I agree that better security is needed. We could start with an armed police officer in every school. That would be expensive , and as we saw in the most recent shooting, wouldn't necessarily help. Many of the schools in my state of South Carolina are in desperate need of funding. Route 95 is called the corridor of shame because of the rotten schools in the rural areas of that part of the state. The salaries are so low that I am amazed that new teachers can make ends meet. Most teachers have school loans to pay off, and most of the good students that want to become teachers must go into other fields like IT or the medical field just to live.
I don't care much for home schooling. It is an excuse for parents not to educate their kids. As far as I know, there are no state officials checking on the parents to make sure that they are educating their kids. Children often do not get the social skills they will need in life when educated at home. If parents want to give their children a religious education, nothing is stopping them from sending their kids to a religious day school or an after school church program, like my parents did.
The tragedy of school shootings and the mass murder that takes place at concerts and movies will continue as long as military style assault rifles are available to civilians. There must be universal checks to make sure that felons, mentally disturbed people and terrorists can not buy weapons at all. I think that these safeguards are reasonable and do not interfere on peoples second amendment rights. I might add that I own two handguns for self protection and have a concealed weapons permit as well.
Parents do care for their children. The government must act even though former Senator Rick Santoram may not think it's necessary!
Mongo, I think that the teachers in schools today ... (show quote)


Exhortations to act lead to travesties such as the recent funding bill. This requires careful consideration and deliberation because fundamental rights are being placed in jeopardy, by a limited number of deranged individuals and ideologues. The slaughter has to stop. While escalating violence to meet violence seems on the surface to be counterproductive, the knowledge that there are several individuals in each school who have the weaponry and ability to inflict as much damage as the attackers can act as a deterrent.

There is a huge element of cowardice in these attacks, the perpetrators know their targets are children and there is no credible threat to them.

Home schooling has always seemed iffy to me. Without teaching credentials or the structured environment of the classroom it is debatable how much learning is taking place. Most parents do not have teaching credentials, which imply some training in how to present the material, and also, if they have no aptitude for the material the students will suffer. Those who can afford private tutors with the requisite skills will get a full education at home, but will lack in the civilizing socialization that occurs in public or private schools.

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Mar 26, 2018 11:57:17   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
vernon, Lets not get crazy. My definition of an assault rifle is one that fires a round that tumbles when the round hits its target. It is semi automatic, but many can be turned into a fully automatic weapon with either a kit or a stock designed to do that. I know that many assault rifles do not fire a round that tumbles, but they have very deadly rounds. It has a high capacity magazine so it can be fired many times before reloading.
vernon wrote:
Well ,you think they know something but they don't know shit.They had a reporter asking questions and one of the questions was what is an assault rifle and not one of them could answer.just remember they are being guided by demorats Broward county is a demorat strong hold.
The way all this came about i wonder if the demorats just decided to let this guy kill people for just this kind of nonsense .

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Mar 26, 2018 12:16:45   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Well Linda.

I just want to say for many people today on the issue of joy in their life has become a nightmare on the guns issue.
To leave the solution to the issue in the hands of the public is not going to make the problem go away.

We need to have those that wish to pass them self off as competent leaders to stop passing the buck on the guns issue.
There is just to much money going in their pockets from gun makers, sellers & buyers wanting to have & hold guns.
They have no intention of selling out.
The NRA has what it wants & wishes to keep it on going.

First we need to slow or stop the exchange of money going to legislators.

We need to look at contribution's as what for the most part they are. They should be looked at as bribes & treated as such..
Well Linda. br br I just want to say for many peo... (show quote)


We need our leaders to recognize it is not a gun issue but instead there is a fundamental malaise in our society. As the old fishing boat Captain said "When a fish stinks, it stinks from the head". Government rules meddling with school discipline and rewarding schools for desired social norms must be stopped. Control must be returned to local school boards and the States must take responsibility for the quality of education and the security of the schools.

If you are going to stop money flows to legislators how about making it illegal for any group which receives Federal money to contribute any money directly or in support of political figures, parties or their support groups. It doesn't take a genius to figure out to whom those contributions will be made.

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Mar 26, 2018 12:50:40   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
vernon, Lets not get crazy. My definition of an assault rifle is one that fires a round that tumbles when the round hits its target. It is semi automatic, but many can be turned into a fully automatic weapon with either a kit or a stock designed to do that. I know that many assault rifles do not fire a round that tumbles, but they have very deadly rounds. It has a high capacity magazine so it can be fired many times before reloading.


Salty, from my reading the rifles the military uses for attack or defense are the same and do not have tumbling capabilities. The rifling grooves in the barrels of weapons are designed to stop such motion because it leads to inaccurate shooting. It is the same as throwing a forward pass, the spin on the football leads to greater distance and accuracy, in hitting the receiver.

Military weapons use high velocity ammunition, which does devastating damage due to Hydrostatic Shock. Even though the mass of the bullet is relatively low, all of its energy is expended when it hits a target and it literally makes a hole as wide as the target. The bullets used in the Military equivalent of the AR-15 use 5.56 mm NATO rounds while the AR-15 uses .223 caliber. The 5.56 round is higher pressure or hotter than the civilian equivalent to get that hydrostatic pressure effect. The Civilian AR-15 is not likely to be able to handle these higher pressures and could explode if tried. The gun has to be designed and built to handle high pressures.

So it isn't erratic tumbling, but velocity that makes the military rounds more deadly. Even though a civilian weapon doesn't look like militarized unit it could still be designed and built to handle the military rounds. It isn't external appearance, it is how much pressure can the receiver of the gun you are using handle.

There are some experts who claim that hollow nosed bullets (not hollow point) will cause a bullet to tumble and do more damage but the same argument against such bullets exist. They are inaccurate. Some British military rounds have a wooden plug inserted into the hollow in the bullet. You need an armorer expert to tell you what the endless varieties are and what characteristics each type of ammunition has.

I can visualize a couple of cave men standing around arguing over whether flat throwing rocks or round throwing rocks are better hunt with. Whatever gets hit is still dead.

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Mar 26, 2018 13:41:08   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
parrot, I have never heard of any school official not allowing police to enter a school building. I worked in a school for emotionally disturbed kids. We had police bringing back kids or coming in to the building to arrest little darlings all the time.
The march in D.C. was an honest expression of fear, and concern about their own safety. My own daughter was there and she is concerned because of her own kids attending public school. When I lived in suburban Maryland, those two maniac killers were shooting people in my town, Olney, Maryland. Eventually they were caught in a rest area in Frederick, MD, but not before murdering innocent adults and high school kids. I knew a teen that was gunned down by these maniacs. Guess what weapon they were using. Thats right an AR15 knock off, a bushmaster.
It's high time we had some sensible laws about guns, that will not interfere with our second amendment right to own a firearm. First, get rid of semi automatic rifles that use rounds that tumble when they hit a target, and are capable of using high capacity magazines. Second, make and enforce laws that deprive felons, disturbed individuals and people on terrorist watch lists from buying any firearm.and thirdly make purchases at gun shows follow the same laws as everybody else. Many of the vendors are gun shops anyway.
pafret wrote:
While our sympathy is with those students who have been put in fear of their lives by attending school, Santorum's transgression was that he was too honest in labeling this performance as an orchestrated sideshow. Even places like the City of Baltimore expended funds desperately needed elsewhere, to send school children to Washington to march. This was an orchestrated performance to achieve an end, motivated not by safety, but control. The students are pawns in this takeover game.

The real causes of the recent school murders are not being addressed and they are many, starting with Obama's race based edict to stop arresting black kids, which morphed into arrest no kids, in order to gain federal funding. It also proves once again that allowing Washington to meddle in School issues simply gives them another means of effecting social engineering without regard for the result of their experimentation. The State was complicit in not investigating the reason crime statistics suddenly improved and the local Sheriff has his share of culpability, in not making arrests, when they were needed. He also ignored warnings, a kid who forced as many home disturbance calls as this killer should have been examined by mental health professional instead of leaving the disposition up to a local deputy. He failed to train his deputies to address active shooters and not cover their asses while victims are being slaughtered. Establishing perimeters is fine when the attack is coming from outside but when the attackers are inside, you want the attacker dead or out. The FBI comes in for their share of guilt in not following up the complaints and marking this individuals records so that the killer could not buy guns. These policing elements were derelict in performing their duties even according to their poor standards.

The last thing that should be protested is the gun. Without fixing these other elements the killer will always be able to obtain a gun or a bomb or even knives. Where are the demonstrations demanding that school officials do their jobs when they have charge of students In Loco Parentis. They bear primary culpability along with local law enforcement. It is their stupid regulations that ban armed police officers from the school buildings. They cannot even identify the officer outside, by his proper name, armed guard, but must call him a resource officer.
While our sympathy is with those students who have... (show quote)

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Mar 26, 2018 14:34:45   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
pafret, The NRA is an industry organization to increase the sale of guns. Thats all it is. They are active in contributing to legislators that support them. As far as I'm concerned they are just as bad as drug pushers, except what they do is legal. It kills, the same as drugs!
pafret wrote:
The NRA is upfront about its advocacy of second amendment rights and its social and political actions in suplport of those rights. Staging as you call it consists of mustering support to defeat anti-second legislation, speaking about gun safety and rational use, in every forum available. It has been their mission since there inception and has not changed. They do not muster mobs, under some other guise, to obtain legislation giving them control over others lives.

The incessant attacks on the NRA are not motivated because of NRA policies but simply by their being an impediment to removal of the second amendment. The NRA's view are published in major outlets from time to time and also when there is such an incident. This is not staging, it is combating hysteria induced by the MSM and those whose aim is total disarming of the populace.
The NRA is upfront about its advocacy of second am... (show quote)

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Mar 26, 2018 17:45:47   #
teabag09
 
Salty, we have the laws on the books to supposedly stop criminals, mentally disturbed individuals and people on watch lists of all sorts, including domestic abuse, from getting guns. The problem lies with none enforcement. Like happened in Florida and elsewhere, the signs of problems were plain as day and enforcement did nothing. It's almost like it's intended in order to bring this kind of outrage.

Back ground checks are mandatory at gun shows and no dealer will sell a gun without one. I think what you are referring to is the so called GUNSHOW LOOPHOLE which is where private sellers make sales in the parking lot, not inside the show it's self.

I'm a lifetime NRA member and do not have problem with strict background checks, which we already have but they aren't being enforced. I have not a problem with restricting "Bump Stocks". They were meant for fun only, not mayhem. By the way the same thing can be accomplished using your belt loop. No problem with limiting who can and can't own a gun as mentioned in the first sentence.

You and Pafret Google .223, 5.56 and 7.62X39, you'll find out about the tumbling. While you're at it, Google bump stocks. Mike

saltwind 78 wrote:
parrot, I have never heard of any school official not allowing police to enter a school building. I worked in a school for emotionally disturbed kids. We had police bringing back kids or coming in to the building to arrest little darlings all the time.
The march in D.C. was an honest expression of fear, and concern about their own safety. My own daughter was there and she is concerned because of her own kids attending public school. When I lived in suburban Maryland, those two maniac killers were shooting people in my town, Olney, Maryland. Eventually they were caught in a rest area in Frederick, MD, but not before murdering innocent adults and high school kids. I knew a teen that was gunned down by these maniacs. Guess what weapon they were using. Thats right an AR15 knock off, a bushmaster.
It's high time we had some sensible laws about guns, that will not interfere with our second amendment right to own a firearm. First, get rid of semi automatic rifles that use rounds that tumble when they hit a target, and are capable of using high capacity magazines. Second, make and enforce laws that deprive felons, disturbed individuals and people on terrorist watch lists from buying any firearm.and thirdly make purchases at gun shows follow the same laws as everybody else. Many of the vendors are gun shops anyway.
parrot, I have never heard of any school official ... (show quote)

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Mar 26, 2018 22:27:26   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
In the case of the NRA, greed is a good part of the problem. They care more about profits of the gun industry than the lives of children and other innocents.


Why would the National Rifle Association 'care' about 'gun industry' industry profits? They have no dog in that fight.

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Mar 26, 2018 22:36:37   #
PLT Sarge Loc: Alabama
 
How profound. Assault weapons are illegal. If this kid had one, where did he get it ? Do you even know what an assault weapon is ? M16A1 and M4 are assault weapons. I have carried both. Have shot AK's. So your saying that just because the average American has no idea the specifications of a car they should not be driving one ? So, lets take this futher. The average American doesn't know the specifications of an Airplane or Subway or Train. Ask anyone of the operators of these if they know ALL the Specs ? Guess in your world we have to stop using mass transit. If we do this, then we go back to horse and buggy. What happens if the buggy breaks an axle ? The driver doesn't know the Specs. I guess your left sitting in the desert. Just how far stupid do you want to go ?
Kevyn wrote:
The answer they need to know is simple, an assault rifle is the type of weapon used in the Las Vegas and parkland massacres. You don’t need to know the particular specifications of a formula one car or Sherman tank to understand that neither should be driven by civilians on public streets. The same holds true here.

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Mar 26, 2018 22:54:44   #
padre
 
I have never heard or seen in my 74 years of a N R A member being involved in a mass shooting or other wise i have been a member for years and probably one till i die what i have saw is training gun safety learning young and old the right way to handle a firearm competition shooting i don’t thank half of these people that keep talking about a assault weapon even know what one is a assault weapon is one that the military uses and they have been out lawed since 1939 for the public.

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Mar 27, 2018 00:06:28   #
king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
The winner of this award is Rick Santoram. This former US Senator said that the students that were present at the March For Our Lives gathering in Washington, DC, "should learn CPR instead of taking to the streets". If that wasn't enough, he actually said that "students should stop asking law makers to solve the gun crisis and simply help themselves".
This idiotic remark is the most insensitive, and mean spirited thing I've ever heard about the gun crisis.
Of course the NRA should share this award with the good Senator for calling the anti gun gathering a carnival. Can you imagine calling the gathering of traumatized kids, parents and people from all over the country that are justly afraid to send their children to school a carnival? This has nothing to do with party or ideology. It's just common human sympathy and understanding that is so lacking in these remarks. In the case of the NRA, greed is a good part of the problem. They care more about profits of the gun industry than the lives of children and other innocents.
The winner of this award is Rick Santoram. This fo... (show quote)


"TRAUMATIZED KIDS" are you serious? Trauma is the psychological condition of a patient...where were the patients? Certainly NOT marching!

The NRA is all about greed? FACT: the NRA first wrote and proposed the language of NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) TODAY'S LAW. FACT: The NRA provides more gun safety/maintenance classes to more people than any other organization. WITHOUT GOVERNMENT GRANTS!

FACT: You failed to spell the title of your post correctly!

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Mar 27, 2018 02:14:06   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
pafret wrote:
The NRA is upfront about its advocacy of second amendment rights and its social and political actions in suplport of those rights. Staging as you call it consists of mustering support to defeat anti-second legislation, speaking about gun safety and rational use, in every forum available. It has been their mission since there inception and has not changed. They do not muster mobs, under some other guise, to obtain legislation giving them control over others lives.

The incessant attacks on the NRA are not motivated because of NRA policies but simply by their being an impediment to removal of the second amendment. The NRA's view are published in major outlets from time to time and also when there is such an incident. This is not staging, it is combating hysteria induced by the MSM and those whose aim is total disarming of the populace.
The NRA is upfront about its advocacy of second am... (show quote)


Just where are the politicans getting their cash from for not doing any thing to offer some better controlon guns if not the NRA?

Follow the money.

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Mar 27, 2018 08:11:30   #
kcstargoat
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
The winner of this award is Rick Santoram. This former US Senator said that the students that were present at the March For Our Lives gathering in Washington, DC, "should learn CPR instead of taking to the streets". If that wasn't enough, he actually said that "students should stop asking law makers to solve the gun crisis and simply help themselves".
This idiotic remark is the most insensitive, and mean spirited thing I've ever heard about the gun crisis.
Of course the NRA should share this award with the good Senator for calling the anti gun gathering a carnival. Can you imagine calling the gathering of traumatized kids, parents and people from all over the country that are justly afraid to send their children to school a carnival? This has nothing to do with party or ideology. It's just common human sympathy and understanding that is so lacking in these remarks. In the case of the NRA, greed is a good part of the problem. They care more about profits of the gun industry than the lives of children and other innocents.
The winner of this award is Rick Santoram. This fo... (show quote)


The NRA doesn't promote guns, they promote the Second Amendment!

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Mar 27, 2018 10:42:25   #
padre
 
The five million plus members of the N R A agree with the way our dues money is beening spent we don’t agree with the way these idiots are trying to take away the 2ad we will fight to keep our right to defend our family and our way of life.

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