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Are people who got here illegally and commit crime should get due process???
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Mar 22, 2018 14:48:52   #
elledee
 
lets catapult them over the wall around pelosi's mansion.....lets see how much she cares about them when they start landing on her property.....uh I mean the property the tax payers bought her

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Mar 22, 2018 14:57:51   #
Morgan
 
Loki wrote:
If they are here illegally, they are already committing a crime. Why can you Liberals never seem to grasp this basic concept? With around one million Mexican nationals waiting patiently to become US citizens the legal way, respecting of our laws, why do Liberal Hobbit Dancers insist on defending and kissing the ass of every wetback in this country?


I'm liberal according to who the far right? But ok it doesn't matter and I grab the concept just fine.
Yes, they are committing a crime, which is addressed one way, being accused of another crime is an unrelated issue which is handled separately, it is a separate issue. Can you grab this concept?

What about a foreigner visiting our country and is picked out by someone as a thief and is wrongly accused by someone's wrong description? You believe he is automatically guilty and thrown out of the country or worse jailed for an unknown length of time?

This is a very broad term under crime, I believe the crime should be defined whether or not it was a terrorist act, as they are handled differently.
Our Constitution does not differentiate between citizen and non-citizen under the protective rights of due process.

Foreign nationals are generally entitled to the equal protection of the laws, to political freedoms of speech and association, and to due process requirements of fair procedure where their lives, liberty, or property are at stake. When non-citizens, no matter what their status, are tried for crimes, they are entitled to all of the rights that attach to the criminal process, without any distinction based on their nationality.

HeinOnline -- 25 T. Jefferson L. Rev. 370 2002-2003
THOMAS
JEFFERSON
LAW REVIEW

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Mar 22, 2018 15:11:27   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Morgan wrote:
I'm liberal according to who the far right? But ok it doesn't matter and I grab the concept just fine.
Yes, they are committing a crime, which is addressed one way, being accused of another crime is an unrelated issue which is handled separately, it is a separate issue. Can you grab this concept?

What about a foreigner visiting our country and is picked out by someone as a thief and is wrongly accused by someone's wrong description? You believe he is automatically guilty and thrown out of the country or worse jailed for an unknown length of time?

This is a very broad term under crime, I believe the crime should be defined whether or not it was a terrorist act, as they are handled differently.
Our Constitution does not differentiate between citizen and non-citizen under the protective rights of due process.

Foreign nationals are generally entitled to the equal protection of the laws, to political freedoms of speech and association, and to due process requirements of fair procedure where their lives, liberty, or property are at stake. When non-citizens, no matter what their status, are tried for crimes, they are entitled to all of the rights that attach to the criminal process, without any distinction based on their nationality.

HeinOnline -- 25 T. Jefferson L. Rev. 370 2002-2003
THOMAS
JEFFERSON
LAW REVIEW
I'm liberal according to who the far right? But ok... (show quote)


I never said that they were not entitled to due process. This question has been addressed by the SCOTUS. I merely commented that they are already guilty of at least one crime it they are standing on US soil.

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Mar 22, 2018 15:14:55   #
Morgan
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Where does it say that?


The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment due process and equal protection guarantees extend to all"persons." The rights attaching to criminal trials, including the right to a public trial, a trial by jury, the assistance of a lawyer, and the right to confront adverse witnesses, all apply to "the accused." And both the First Amendment's protections of political and religious freedoms and the Fourth Amendment's protection of privacy and liberty apply to "the people".

HeinOnline -- 25 T. Jefferson L. Rev. 370 2002-2003
THOMAS JEFFERSON
LAW REVIEW
1.
ALIENS, CITIZENS, AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS

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Mar 22, 2018 15:25:45   #
zillaorange
 
Morgan wrote:
I'm liberal according to who the far right? But ok it doesn't matter and I grab the concept just fine.
Yes, they are committing a crime, which is addressed one way, being accused of another crime is an unrelated issue which is handled separately, it is a separate issue. Can you grab this concept?

What about a foreigner visiting our country and is picked out by someone as a thief and is wrongly accused by someone's wrong description? You believe he is automatically guilty and thrown out of the country or worse jailed for an unknown length of time?

This is a very broad term under crime, I believe the crime should be defined whether or not it was a terrorist act, as they are handled differently.
Our Constitution does not differentiate between citizen and non-citizen under the protective rights of due process.

Foreign nationals are generally entitled to the equal protection of the laws, to political freedoms of speech and association, and to due process requirements of fair procedure where their lives, liberty, or property are at stake. When non-citizens, no matter what their status, are tried for crimes, they are entitled to all of the rights that attach to the criminal process, without any distinction based on their nationality.

HeinOnline -- 25 T. Jefferson L. Rev. 370 2002-2003
THOMAS
JEFFERSON
LAW REVIEW
I'm liberal according to who the far right? But ok... (show quote)


Simply stated, when people arrive in the U. S. they've come on vacation with a passport, they're here with a visa, or they have a green card. Under those situations these people are entitled to due process. People who've entered illegally have committed a crime. If they're caught immediately they're deported immediately. If the avoid immediate capture they are criminals. If they're caught they are deported. Since when does the Constitution protect alien criminals who commit another crime while they're here ? If you have material, accessible on line, I'd appreciate it if you could provide such info.

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Mar 22, 2018 15:28:14   #
Morgan
 
Loki wrote:
I never said that they were not entitled to due process. This question has been addressed by the SCOTUS. I merely commented that they are already guilty of at least one crime it they are standing on US soil.


I see...but you were very accusatory of "liberals not understanding" I think they do. People have been misidentified all the time, and if you're a Muslim you'll be behind the eight ball before anything starts. I'm not a Muslim sympathizer, but I've known good people who are Muslims many years before 9/11, and since that experience, I can imagine others like them.

Illegals should be hauled back ASAP, of any nationality. I agree with you in as far as to excuse them makes it unfair to the people who do and promotes continuing the criminal behaviour.

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Mar 22, 2018 17:13:55   #
maryjane
 
Everyone who commits a crime while in our country should, of course, get due process under our laws concerning the crime committed. But for the crime of entering our country illegally, I am totally against spending even more money on them by providing lawyers/judges/court hearings. Since their legal status is easily proven, that is all that is necessary and they should be deported within 2 months of arrest. The entire deportation operation desperately needs reforming and streamlined. Keeping these people in detention centers for months/years just greatly increases their costs to American taxpayers because of the 24/7 total upkeep we must provide, everything from toilet paper to entertainment, in addition to the very costly free lawyers/judges/hearings.

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Mar 22, 2018 17:16:32   #
Kevyn
 
Loki wrote:
Unfortunately you are correct.

Thanks for pointing this out, it is frustrating debating things with people who do not acknowledge truth and fact.

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Mar 22, 2018 17:18:25   #
maryjane
 
peter11937 wrote:
Due process for the crime or crimes they have committed, then, after doing their time, deported as criminal illegal aliens.


Because the cost of imprisonment is so high, I would go for immediate deportation and being put on a backlist allowed never to return here. But since anyone who wants to can just walk across our borders, it is a waste of time to deport any of them before or after they commit crimes in our nation.

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Mar 22, 2018 17:20:25   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
peter11937 wrote:
Due process for the crime or crimes they have committed, then, after doing their time, deported as criminal illegal aliens.


peter11937: I personally think a chipping machine is in order....they can feed our fields!

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Mar 22, 2018 17:21:05   #
Kevyn
 
zillaorange wrote:
Simply stated, when people arrive in the U. S. they've come on vacation with a passport, they're here with a visa, or they have a green card. Under those situations these people are entitled to due process. People who've entered illegally have committed a crime. If they're caught immediately they're deported immediately. If the avoid immediate capture they are criminals. If they're caught they are deported. Since when does the Constitution protect alien criminals who commit another crime while they're here ? If you have material, accessible on line, I'd appreciate it if you could provide such info.
Simply stated, when people arrive in the U. S. the... (show quote)

The people immediately deported are either turned back at the border befor entrance or sign away their right to due process and agree to be deported without a hearing before a judge. The border patrol dosn’t just pick people up and drop them at the border.

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Mar 22, 2018 17:25:02   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Kevyn wrote:
The people immediately deported are either turned back at the border befor entrance or sign away their right to due process and agree to be deported without a hearing before a judge. The border patrol dosn’t just pick people up and drop them at the border.


kevie: How many time have they dropped you off?



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Mar 22, 2018 17:32:12   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Morgan wrote:
I see...but you were very accusatory of "liberals not understanding" I think they do. People have been misidentified all the time, and if you're a Muslim you'll be behind the eight ball before anything starts. I'm not a Muslim sympathizer, but I've known good people who are Muslims many years before 9/11, and since that experience, I can imagine others like them.

Illegals should be hauled back ASAP, of any nationality. I agree with you in as far as to excuse them makes it unfair to the people who do and promotes continuing the criminal behaviour.
I see...but you were very accusatory of "libe... (show quote)


Allahu Akbar, infidel

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Mar 22, 2018 17:32:43   #
Cherokee38 Loc: Atlanta
 
our prisons are too nice! If we put them in our prisons we might be improving their standard of living. Look at Mexican prisons NO BODY wants to be there. Prison is punishment not something to look forward to. Make the prisons self sufficient that would cause peopĺe want to avoid them.

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Mar 22, 2018 19:03:34   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
JFlorio wrote:
How about figuring the avg cost per illegal from each country. Catching them, sending them back or incarcerate them if they have committed a felony. Subtract amount found from each countries foreign aid package. Mexico will have their troops on the border the next day. Turning their own people back.




Genius!!!!!

I nominate you Secretary of immigration with unfettered powers. When can you start?
You would have to have a large life insurance policy since the Mexican government would have multiple hits out on your life. But to help protect you, you will have human shields, Permafrost, Badbob, Kevyn and a few other trolls.
You'll be the first Secretary that will be trying to get shot at. Lol

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