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Mar 15, 2018 12:34:25   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
straightUp wrote:
My kids and I snowboard in the Sierra's all the time and we have friends that live in Tahoe, so we're very familiar with the "flatlander" banter. It's mostly a local-pride thing and most locals laugh at themselves for taking part in it, but it sounds like the stick up YOUR ass goes a bit deeper.


Must have hit a soft spot on the flatlander truth..

Why are you male Progs always infatuated with other men asses??
It's not a wonder that you are most comfortable in the "Homosexual State of Californication"..and wise people who are able, are leaving the queer State too..but it does sound appropriate for you and yours..'party on, pee wee'..

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Mar 15, 2018 13:07:33   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
From 2013 to 2015, California had America’s 17th-highest poverty rate... 15% according to the U.S. Census Bureau’s Official Poverty Measure which uses income levels to determine poverty, but doesn't consider differences in cost-of-living among states. So the poverty rate, in this case, isn't what you're thinking it is, especially in a state where you have extremely affluent areas in which local business tend to overcharge, elevating the average cost of living across the state.

I'm not saying California is without it's problems and they often do seem like HUGE problems but that's because it's the 7th largest economy in the world. California has Japan-size problems... Germany-size problems, UK-size problems, not just Kansas-size problems. But it's funny to see the bumpkins out there getting all excited about the size of California's problems like it's going to bring us down. LOL
From 2013 to 2015, California had America’s 17th-h... (show quote)


What happens when the worker Bee population can no longer feed the growing "needy" population?

Will Soros have them in the streets demanding more?
Where will the Safe Spaces be?

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Mar 15, 2018 13:22:29   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
pafret wrote:
"focus the energy of federal law enforcement on actual criminals instead of deporting immigrants with good intentions."

Immigrants are not deported unless they violate US Law.

Not true.

pafret wrote:

Illegal aliens are criminals, not immigrants.

No, they are immigrants, not criminals.

pafret wrote:

They are in violation, of the law, by simply being here and their intentions don't matter whatsoever.

Yeah, I know this is the basis for your statements so far but it's simply not true. There is no federal law that explicitly says an alien can't be here without permission. The federal law DOES say that only a limited number of immigrants can be permitted in a given year (675,000), but that law applies to immigration agencies - it's a quota. If there are 100 people in a room with a sign that says maximum capacity 90. Who do you blame? All the people? Do you arbitrarily pick out 10? Or do you blame the guy at the door that's supposed to be counting?

Once inside there is an abundance of limits required by laws regarding qualifications for benefits, hiring policies etc... But again, these laws apply to the corresponding agencies and hiring companies etc... There is no law that says a person is a criminal just for being in the United States without permission... For that to be true the crime of "being here without permission" would have to actually be legislated by Congress and so far, it's not.

You are apparently being influenced by a torrent of hyped-up bullshit. I suggest you actually read the laws and make your conclusions from there.

I want to mention something though... The central concern of DACA are the "Dreamers"... people who were brought here as children through no action of their own. These dreamers did not make the decision to be here and yet people like you want to call them criminals. That's disgusting and it's real hard not to see this as a racist issue.

I was born in the UK and came here when I was 2 years old because my father was an aerospace engineer that was recruited by U.S. defense contractors. We came here legally because we basically got the red carpet treatment (and being Anglo-Saxons, we were determined to be "superior people" for which the quota was wide open... Yes, pre-1965 immigration laws actually categorized the races like that. The point is I had NOTHING to do with the decision to be here, any more than a black person makes a decision to have black skin. Calling dreamers criminal is no different than calling a black person a criminal just for being black.

There is no federal law regarding the the fate of the dreamers. During the Obama era, the Republican-led Congress refused to move on the issue because due-process would expose the innocence of these people and the deceptions of the anti-immigration advocates. The reason why Trump is repealing DACA is that doing so will take the pressure off Congress and allow the Executive Branch to imprison innocent people without being challenged. One more step to tyranny.

pafret wrote:

The fact that they concealed themselves, to avoid being scooped up and deported is not a plus factor because while they were concealed, in this country many of them committed further crimes such as applying for welfare benefits and public services such as schooling for which US Citizens have to bear the cost.

These lies have been debunked so many times, it's not even worth arguing anymore. In fact, studies have repeatedly shown that undocumented workers in this country actually contribute more than they take. But that doesn't fit your narrative does it?

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Mar 15, 2018 13:46:47   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
These lies have been debunked so many times, it's not even worth arguing anymore. In fact, studies have repeatedly shown that undocumented workers in this country actually contribute more than they take. But that doesn't fit your narrative does it?


sUp; what's up?!
We having fun today?

What happens when the worker Bee population can no longer feed the growing "needy" population?

Will Soros have them in the streets demanding more?
Where will the Safe Spaces be?

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Mar 15, 2018 13:59:02   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
byronglimish wrote:
Must have hit a soft spot on the flatlander truth..

Why? Because I can tell the difference between local pride and the deeper hatred issues you seem to have?

byronglimish wrote:

Why are you male Progs always infatuated with other men asses??

Well, if you weren't so gay, you would know what a "stick up the ass" is a reference to an attitude not an actual dildo or whatever it is you're imagining.

byronglimish wrote:

It's not a wonder that you are most comfortable in the "Homosexual State of Californication"..and wise people who are able, are leaving the queer State too..but it does sound appropriate for you and yours..'party on, pee wee'..

So is it just your basic lack of understanding about the issues that prompt you to make irrelevant comments? If you're trying to insult me with your homosexual references it won't work. I'm secure enough in my sexuality not to be threatened by it and honestly, homosexuals don't bother me. Why would they? Also, just because so many homosexuals in uptight regions like rural Oregon are closet-cases doesn't mean they don't exist. If anything, I admire the culture in which homosexuals are free to be themselves.

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Mar 15, 2018 14:34:58   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
straightUp wrote:
So is it just your basic lack of understanding about the issues that prompt you to make irrelevant comments? If you're trying to insult me with your homosexual references it won't work. I'm secure enough in my sexuality not to be threatened by it and honestly, homosexuals don't bother me. Why would they? Also, just because so many homosexuals in uptight regions like rural Oregon are closet-cases doesn't mean they don't exist. If anything, I admire the culture in which homosexuals are free to be themselves.
So is it just your basic lack of understanding abo... (show quote)


Well then, you are where, you should be..no fuss, no muss..just let the illegal aliens do as they please, and one day it may please one, to harm you or yours..but one thing is for sure..after the wetbacks finish their chores in your neighborhood..they go back to the shithole neighborhoods, where you sun worshiper Progs.. don't have to look at them until their next shift..
How many illegal aliens have you had over for dinner?

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Mar 15, 2018 14:40:39   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
sUp; what's up?!
We having fun today?

Hey eagle... you know I always have fun doing this. ;)

eagleye13 wrote:

What happens when the worker Bee population can no longer feed the growing "needy" population?

Simple. The needy population suffers. But needy populations have ALWAYS been around eagle... People get sick, people get disabled, people get old - we have thousands of years of history to see what happens when societies loose their capacity to support the needy and from what I can tell it's always a matter of will rather than actual capacity.

At present our society has more than enough capacity to support our needy population, we just don't have the will. Part of the problem is that we're disenfranchised and as such we just don't care about each other anymore and since we are probably (aside from maybe North Korea) the most compliant culture in the modern world (as in "baaa, baaa") it's easy for the plutocracy to convince Americans that we should abandon the needy and instead devote our capacity to their personal revenue streams under the guise of things like national defense.

In simple terms, there is no profit to be made in helping old people or broken people, but there is a ton of profit to be made from war and corporate scams.

When the American people wake up and realize they are basically being controlled and harvested by the plutocracy like crops, there might be a revolt and our society might get some of it's humanity back. It would be a shame of this didn't happen until after all the white people are old and needy and the worker bees are all brown.

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Mar 15, 2018 14:52:28   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
Simple. The needy population suffers. But needy populations have ALWAYS been around eagle... People get sick, people get disabled, people get old - we have thousands of years of history to see what happens when societies loose their capacity to support the needy and from what I can tell it's always a matter of will rather than actual capacity.

At present our society has more than enough capacity to support our needy population, we just don't have the will. Part of the problem is that we're disenfranchised and as such we just don't care about each other anymore and since we are probably (aside from maybe North Korea) the most compliant culture in the modern world (as in "baaa, baaa") it's easy for the plutocracy to convince Americans that we should abandon the needy and instead devote our capacity to their personal revenue streams under the guise of things like national defense.

In simple terms, there is no profit to be made in helping old people or broken people, but there is a ton of profit to be made from war and corporate scams.

When the American people wake up and realize they are basically being controlled and harvested by the plutocracy like crops, there might be a revolt and our society might get some of it's humanity back. It would be a shame of this didn't happen until after all the white people are old and needy and the worker bees are all brown.
Simple. The needy population suffers. But needy po... (show quote)


Here is the problem as I see it. Democrats pretend to care about the needy. The hypocrisy is just so blatent.
A lot of Republicans fall for the MIC "War on Terrorism" BS, when it is the CFR elitists that set this up.
BTW; the Dems pretend to fight this BS also.
The root of the "problem" is Political Zionists and their dupes running the show. Big Money keeps this scam in tact.
It comes down to the D's & R's that are bought by the CFR/TC/Bilderberg Group that fight for the spoils of being in power.

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Mar 15, 2018 15:31:31   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
straightUp wrote:
Obama never actually said that. What he said was that he doesn't have the authority to create laws...remember what I said about Article II of the Constitution and how the President is not empowered to create laws? But DACA is not a law it's an executive order designed to be a stopgap until Congress passes actual laws regarding immigration. This is why he famously called himself "a president, not a king". I know Trump (who thinks he is king) said that Obama admitted that DACA is unconstitutional but we all know what a liar Trump is.

If you have any doubts read the transcript of his speech from the Rose Garden when he signed DACA, it's actually on the White House website... Amazingly, the Trump administration hasn't taken it down yet. Here it is... https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/06/15/remarks-president-immigration

Yes, I was OK with Obama signing DACA. I didn't protest the move because it was NOT unconstitutional and it allowed him to focus the energy of federal law enforcement on actual criminals instead of deporting immigrants with good intentions. It's not Obama's fault that Congress refused to move on immigration laws. And yes, Trump *DID* create the current crisis because the asshole *decided* to repeal DACA BEFORE Congress moves on immigration.

There are no federal laws that say ANYTHING about the children of illegal immigrants who are here through no action of their own. So California has the constitutional authority and will continue to protect them since the current Nazi regime is bent on tearing their families apart for no other reason than pure simple hatred... (and the obvious stick up Session's ass). Bottom line, the Trump regime doesn't have the constitutional authority to attack California, nor do they have the economic leverage... Trump mentioned cutting federal subsidies, but that would encourage CA to stop funding the federal government and since California is one of the biggest "giver" states in the union, the federal government would be getting the short end of that deal. What else have they threatened us with? Oh, yeah - Trump said he considered just pulling the federal agents out... LOL. Nothing would make us happier.
Obama never actually said that. What he said was t... (show quote)


Federal law supersedes state law, period. For the Legislature of this state and its governor to determine otherwise and enact the "sanctuary state" bill is based on the exact same principles that South used back in the 1860s...

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Mar 15, 2018 15:35:01   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
byronglimish wrote:
Well then, you are where, you should be..no fuss, no muss..

yup - I'm pretty happy here in California. :)

byronglimish wrote:

just let the illegal aliens do as they please

Well, thanks for the suggestion but we're all about equality here which means we expect EVERYONE... citizens AND aliens to abide by the same set of rules. Just because I oppose discriminatory laws doesn't mean I advocate lawlessness.

byronglimish wrote:

and one day it may please one, to harm you or yours..

You can say the same thing about U.S. citizens which commit the vast majority of violent crimes in the U.S. So, like I said, we expect EVERYONE to abide by the same set of rules. It doesn't matter if the belligerent is a citizen or an alien, if he breaks into my house he is breaking the law and in California I have the right to shoot him with my double-barrel 12-gauge. Besides, the possibility of harm is ALWAYS there byron and the more free a society is the more dangerous it will be. Since my family values freedom, we've come to accept the danger that also comes with it. So, I guess trying to SCARE me into shutting out the immigrants will be about as effective as your pointless flak about homosexuals.

byronglimish wrote:

but one thing is for sure..after the wetbacks finish their chores in your neighborhood..they go back to the shithole neighborhoods, where you sun worshiper Progs.. don't have to look at them until their next shift..

So?

byronglimish wrote:

How many illegal aliens have you had over for dinner?

Oh, I see... 'gonna try shame now ;) ...or maybe hypocrisy, is that the angle? LOL

Like most people, I don't just invite strangers over for dinner. It really doesn't matter if they are aliens or citizens, I have to get to know you before I invite you over. That being said, good luck trying to find the double standard in a personal policy where the only discrimination is whether I know you or not. ;)

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Mar 15, 2018 16:11:38   #
mactheknife
 
straightUp wrote:
Obama never actually said that. What he said was that he doesn't have the authority to create laws...remember what I said about Article II of the Constitution and how the President is not empowered to create laws? But DACA is not a law it's an executive order designed to be a stopgap until Congress passes actual laws regarding immigration. This is why he famously called himself "a president, not a king". I know Trump (who thinks he is king) said that Obama admitted that DACA is unconstitutional but we all know what a liar Trump is.

If you have any doubts read the transcript of his speech from the Rose Garden when he signed DACA, it's actually on the White House website... Amazingly, the Trump administration hasn't taken it down yet. Here it is... https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/06/15/remarks-president-immigration

Yes, I was OK with Obama signing DACA. I didn't protest the move because it was NOT unconstitutional and it allowed him to focus the energy of federal law enforcement on actual criminals instead of deporting immigrants with good intentions. It's not Obama's fault that Congress refused to move on immigration laws. And yes, Trump *DID* create the current crisis because the asshole *decided* to repeal DACA BEFORE Congress moves on immigration.

There are no federal laws that say ANYTHING about the children of illegal immigrants who are here through no action of their own. So California has the constitutional authority and will continue to protect them since the current Nazi regime is bent on tearing their families apart for no other reason than pure simple hatred... (and the obvious stick up Session's ass). Bottom line, the Trump regime doesn't have the constitutional authority to attack California, nor do they have the economic leverage... Trump mentioned cutting federal subsidies, but that would encourage CA to stop funding the federal government and since California is one of the biggest "giver" states in the union, the federal government would be getting the short end of that deal. What else have they threatened us with? Oh, yeah - Trump said he considered just pulling the federal agents out... LOL. Nothing would make us happier.
Obama never actually said that. What he said was t... (show quote)


Nuts. Look harder or maybe w-mail Obama and ask him why he thought that he did nor have the Constitutional authority to create DACAS. Finally, most laws do not differentiate people by age so an illegal alien child is also illegal alien. Period!

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Mar 15, 2018 16:50:31   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
straightUp wrote:
These lies have been debunked so many times, it's not even worth arguing anymore. In fact, studies have repeatedly shown that undocumented workers in this country actually contribute more than they take. But that doesn't fit your narrative does it?


Studies have shown exactly the opposite of what you have claimed. These are peer reviewed published reports. Show me yours and I will show you mine!

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Mar 15, 2018 17:38:09   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Here is the problem as I see it. Democrats pretend to care about the needy. The hypocrisy is just so blatent.

There's a spectrum eagle - just like there is on the Republican side. Toward that moderate "Clinton/Bush" center, corporate power is global, in fact it's hegemonic, guaranteed by the Supremacy Clause that keeps popping up on this thread. "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;
This is precisely the law that made dubby Bush impeachable when he broke with the U.N. and invaded Iraq, but more to the point - incorporated investment groups (you call them "banksters") are signing contracts with sovereign governments that bind these nations to economic obligations TO the corporations.

eagleye13 wrote:

A lot of Republicans fall for the MIC "War on Terrorism" BS, when it is the CFR elitists that set this up.

Yes. A lot Democrats fall for it to.

eagleye13 wrote:

BTW; the Dems pretend to fight this BS also.

The MIC and the "war on terrorism" BS is almost entirely a matter of foreign policy. Remember what I said about foreign policy and partisan politics? I call it the "partisan zero" because there *IS* no partisan politics in foreign policy.

eagleye13 wrote:

The root of the "problem" is Political Zionists and their dupes running the show. Big Money keeps this scam in tact.

What do you mean by "Political Zionists"?
Big Money - yes, I see that. It's plutocracy, dude. ...and there's no partisan politics in plutocracy either. Totally different game at that level.

eagleye13 wrote:

It comes down to the D's & R's that are bought by the CFR/TC/Bilderberg Group that fight for the spoils of being in power.

Ugh! You ALWAYS do this to me!

Seriously though - you DO realize that they are only examples of the problem, right?

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Mar 15, 2018 17:46:27   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
Ugh! You ALWAYS do this to me!

Seriously though - you DO realize that they are only examples of the problem, right?


Of course. We are not about to write a book here to cover the subterfuge going on behind the scenes.
Trump is the only one elected in decades to go after some of it.
Hillary the bought Beast, would have finished off what was left of this Republic.

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Mar 15, 2018 18:01:00   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
lindajoy wrote:
Federal law supersedes state law, period.

We all got the "period" part linda... we understand the rule... The part I'm trying to get people to see is... WHAT federal law? It's like you're a cop giving a driver a citation for "something" and when the driver asks what "something" means, the cop gets in his face and says "I am the LAW! Period!"... lol ..."You did SOMETHING!"... lol - seriously, though. It's the same thing. To my knowledge, neither Trump nor Sessions has mentioned a single federal law and so far I've not seen anyone here mention a single federal law in conflict with California's sanctuary law. Not one. Why?

It doesn't matter if you "ARE THE LAW"... You still need an actual law for someone to actually break it and until that happens the supremacy clause is irrelevant.

lindajoy wrote:

For the Legislature of this state and its governor to determine otherwise and enact the "sanctuary state" bill is based on the exact same principles that South used back in the 1860s...

Defiance? Yeah, I guess you could say that


Probably not the same thing though, the union wasn't quite as dependent on the South in 1860 as it is on California today. This is why Trump hates us so much. He knows he can't control us. Trust me, Trump could do a lot better for you folks if he just stopped thinking about California. Who knows - maybe we'll agree to cooperate and keep the scary aliens out of Arizona, Nevada and Oregon, would that work?

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