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Feb 15, 2018 00:53:47   #
Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
By that logic, all the Democrat party would need to do to ensure eternal hegemony over the US would be to disavow abortion and everyone would vote for them. As a hypothetical, it just might have some merit. I would certainly like to see such an experiment just to find out what would happen in reality. I imagine some of the more 'liberal-minded' among the sane and religious populations would be inclined to consider assigning their support to a Democrat party that disavowed the murder of the unborn, but then what about those who support them now? Would they continue to be active supporters or would they simply 'stay at home' on election day? Or even better, start their own political party. Who knows?

But then there's the rest of the Democrat platform to consider. In the aggregate, I think they would probably lose more votes than they gained, but that is only an opinion and not based on any solid evidence.

So, yeah, that's my two cent's worth.

Your turn; feel free to call me names and attack me with silly memes and baseless arguments. I'm used to it by now.
By that logic, all the Democrat party would need t... (show quote)


I take issue with a few of your points, but will respond only to one: Poverty

Many outstanding Americans have overcome poverty through sheer willpower and hard work. Sure, there are those who work the system because it's the only way they know to survive; and the system is designed to keep them there. Work requirements are difficult to fulfill with unskilled workers' job prospects rare if not impossible. Wouldn't enrollment and attendance at a job training program be a better idea? Then the person would actually have the chance to support him/herself and their family!

Social workers assigned to families in poverty carry ridiculous workloads. All they really do is perpetuate reliance on the system. Bottom line, the system has got to change before it can truly benefit those who need it.

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Feb 15, 2018 01:15:11   #
rumitoid
 
byronglimish wrote:
Pure poppycock.. Intellectualism of the Progs is the insanity of the demons..


Er, thinking is somehow insanity? That explains a lot.

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Feb 15, 2018 01:19:40   #
rumitoid
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
What we have here is a hard core party apparatchik, a gutter level ideologue, not an American citizen.

How much longer do you reckon before you'll see if a surgeon can pull that humongous cob out of your ass? Good grief, man, I'd have to look far and wide to find such a perverted indictment of my fellow human beings. Marx' Communist manifesto and the Quran might come within range. At least these writings are articulate in expressing a coherent line of thought.


Any day now, I hope.

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Feb 15, 2018 01:24:05   #
rumitoid
 
byronglimish wrote:
Sir, you are found lacking in more sense than, I am qualified to provide..
You absolutely drive my point home...of what a stumbling block, gaining 'intellectualism' as a religious belief can be..
The onlyest thing I can hope, is somehow you gain on your 'ground game in the real and now..
If my recollection is correct, you were or are an educator of sorts...maybe that's a chink in your practical sense armor..no offense..good job..


Um, what?

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Feb 15, 2018 01:24:52   #
rumitoid
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Really?


Haha

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Feb 15, 2018 01:25:39   #
rumitoid
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Oh, well, if Festus used it then it's good to go. Carry on!


Amen.

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Feb 15, 2018 07:15:59   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Iamdjchrys wrote:
I take issue with a few of your points, but will respond only to one: Poverty. Many outstanding Americans have overcome poverty through sheer willpower and hard work.


Yes, quite so, and many less than outstanding Americans have done the same. Rising out of poverty is not some 'social justice' issue. It is a mindset. Give a poor man $100, and he'll be rich for a day. Then he'll be poor again. Give an entrepreneur that same $100 and he'll show you $1000 at some later date. The difference between the two is what they did with their $100.

Iamdjchrys wrote:
Sure, there are those who work the system because it's the only way they know to survive; and the system is designed to keep them there.


Now you're getting down to it. I wouldn't say it's the only way they know to survive, but it's certainly the easiest way, and therein lies the 'trap'. They get used to all this 'free money' rolling in every month and see no need to change that. You often hear this question about 'rich' people and 'how much is enough?', the same goes for the 'poor'. Apparently, a welfare check is enough. Not only that, but a welfare check is proof of a legitimate income, leaving plenty of time for more lucrative 'businesses' nobody needs to know about.

Iamdjchrys wrote:
Work requirements are difficult to fulfill with unskilled workers' job prospects rare if not impossible. Wouldn't enrollment and attendance at a job training program be a better idea? Then the person would actually have the chance to support him/herself and their family!


McDonald's is hiring. McDonald's is always hiring. Then there's the local labor pool. There are many avenues to employment if a prospect is motivated to go look for them. Job training is certainly a tool for advancement. Many local colleges offer some form of career retraining services for those whose skills are redundant or non-existent.

Iamdjchrys wrote:
Social workers assigned to families in poverty carry ridiculous workloads. All they really do is perpetuate reliance on the system. Bottom line, the system has got to change before it can truly benefit those who need it.


Now you're getting to the root of the problem. You're absolutely right, "the system has got to change". It has got to change in a profound way. It has got to go away. Completely. Take government, put it in a sturdy box, close he lid and place a sign on there that says "Open Only In Case Of Morbid Curiosity". Once those meddling politicians are no longer making life difficult for all of us, then we'll see an end to 'the poverty trap' and a new beginning for millions of good people.

Unless, of course, you don't think we can take care of ourselves and each other...

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Feb 15, 2018 16:20:03   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
rumitoid wrote:
If any of them vote Republican, they cannot be pro-life. Republicans and their followers want to convince you those on Welfare are free-loaders and bottom-feeders (the Reagan "big-bucks" and Welfare queens"). Like poverty and bad economic circumstances never existed before the "Great American teat" served up by Democrats, their "base" for free handouts to do drugs all day and eat Twinkies. Helping the poor, elderly, handicapped, and disadvantaged is an obligation of any decent government. It needs to come as a basic cost of good government, not as some questionable "handout" that can be cut or severely downsized. More important than the Military Budget. Yet these so-called "pro-lifers" consistently vote to reduce government care for "the least of these." And they agree with the death penalty. What? And with drone-warfare. What? Life does not really matter to most of them; it is their beliefs that take precedent. If abortion was not legal in America, every sane and religious person would vote Democrat.
If any of them vote Republican, they cannot be pro... (show quote)


So Rumi! Would you not agree that the evil ‘shooter’ that murdered 17 people, mostly children and a hero coach that took the bullets for two boys, deserve to DIE!!! Do you consider him “ the least of these” ?

Now ! Back up your ridiculous rant with proof and sources...........you know! Like you demand of each of us!

Abortion is murder! There’s no other way to describe it! Especially late month abortion!


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Feb 16, 2018 00:52:18   #
Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Now you're getting to the root of the problem. You're absolutely right, "the system has got to change". It has got to change in a profound way. It has got to go away. Completely. Take government, put it in a sturdy box, close he lid and place a sign on there that says "Open Only In Case Of Morbid Curiosity". Once those meddling politicians are no longer making life difficult for all of us, then we'll see an end to 'the poverty trap' and a new beginning for millions of good people.

Unless, of course, you don't think we can take care of ourselves and each other...
Now you're getting to the root of the problem. Yo... (show quote)


McDonald's is hiring? Great. Try to support yourself, much less a family, on McDonald's wages!

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Feb 16, 2018 01:05:16   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Iamdjchrys wrote:
McDonald's is hiring? Great. Try to support yourself, much less a family, on McDonald's wages!


Try not having a family you can't support. There's no excuse for that and you know it.

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Feb 16, 2018 03:34:00   #
rumitoid
 
TexaCan wrote:
So Rumi! Would you not agree that the evil ‘shooter’ that murdered 17 people, mostly children and a hero coach that took the bullets for two boys, deserve to DIE!!! Do you consider him “ the least of these” ?

Now ! Back up your ridiculous rant with proof and sources...........you know! Like you demand of each of us!

Abortion is murder! There’s no other way to describe it! Especially late month abortion!

So Rumi! Would you not agree that the evil ‘shoot... (show quote)


Like in Harry Met Sally, I want what she is having. Sorry, your post made little if any sense. A state we all need at times. (Some more than others.)

This is an opinion piece. If you object to any point in that opinion, you either provide facts disputing it or argue persuasively against it. You chose to avoid both. Your choice.

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Feb 16, 2018 03:38:30   #
rumitoid
 
Can someone on the Right give a clear and concise argument against gun-control besides the scattered nuts posting thus far.

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Feb 16, 2018 08:45:19   #
Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Try not having a family you can't support. There's no excuse for that and you know it.


Unfortunately, some who have had better jobs take McDonald's and other menial jobs because they're all that's out there. Some work two and even three jobs just to pay rent and still need assistance buying food and/or pay the electricity bill.

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Feb 16, 2018 08:58:55   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Iamdjchrys wrote:
Unfortunately, some who have had better jobs take McDonald's and other menial jobs because they're all that's out there. Some work two and even three jobs just to pay rent and still need assistance buying food and/or pay the electricity bill.


Now you're moving the goalposts. We're referring to the 'welfare queens' such as president Reagan highlighted. You know, the ones who get a 'pay raise' with every birth?

By the way, how is it possible to work three jobs and still not pay the bills? That sounds highly suspect to me, like maybe there's something else going on?

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Feb 16, 2018 12:38:41   #
Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Now you're moving the goalposts. We're referring to the 'welfare queens' such as president Reagan highlighted. You know, the ones who get a 'pay raise' with every birth?

By the way, how is it possible to work three jobs and still not pay the bills? That sounds highly suspect to me, like maybe there's something else going on?


No, it's about low-wage jobs!

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