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Jan 28, 2018 06:09:17   #
Texas Truth Loc: Behind Enemy Lines
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The United States isn't even in the top 50 most dangerous nations on earth. The nations with the highest rates of violence are those in which private firearm ownership is severely restricted or prohibited altogether.

The 2nd amendment is, in fact, sacrosanct, our right to defend ourselves is God given, it is inalienable. And FYI, our founders' original intent was to limit the power of the federal government to its primary purpose.

If it weren't for liberal godless, humanistic, multicultural, multilingual, divisive, racist, politically correct, Kumbayah, Utopian bullshit, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Now, what f*cking book has driven you to orgasms?
The United States isn't even in the top 50 most da... (show quote)



Very well put, but your trying to water a plastic plant. Sand and stupidity have something very much in common. In the past sand is sand it is still sand now and it'll be sand a thousand years from now. The same goes for stupid people. The biggest problem is they don't know they're stupid. There is stupid, and then there is quantum stupid. A question for rheumatoid or hemorrhoid whatever his name is, would you ride on a bus with Nancy Pelosi at the wheel? If you think Nancy Pelosi is smart, you may be Quantum stupid

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Jan 28, 2018 06:22:04   #
Texas Truth Loc: Behind Enemy Lines
 
rumitoid wrote:
What the Right does: no support for your pov, and always the insult. Aggravating! Let's fight. Your flaky left hook calling me a name misses the truth of my jaw.


The truth could hit you in the forehead and you would never know it.

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Jan 28, 2018 06:41:28   #
Snoopy
 
rumitoid wrote:
Ten years in research, meticulously and thoroughly screened, all reviewers say the author is correct.

And even if he is wrong, 11 school shootings in the first year of 2018: that's an acceptable cost of freedom? Do nothing?

We are by a wide margin the most violent nation of the so-called Free and Democratic World. It will take the combined deaths or injuries from guns of the five nearest countries to us to equal our stats. You don't have a problem with that fact? Again, the price of freedom?

What is the real threat? Right wing conspiracy! "The Left wants our guns so they can swoop down in Black helicopters in the middle of the night, with Left-wing's elite Russian force, to confiscate all weapons for their coup." This is the only reason we do not have sane gun control measures. NRA propaganda.

The Second Amendment is not sacrosanct, and even if misinterpreted to mean all citizens have the right to bear arms, we have a clear mandate to make such possession "regulated." Controlled. The State is not enough. It needs to be federal, as originally intended. Universal!

A failure to do is playing the role of the "permissive parent": "Go and kill, my son and daughter, but be home for late night snacks. Our Constitution loves you no matter what. It is your freedom."
Ten years in research, meticulously and thoroughly... (show quote)


Rummy

Try reading the Federalist Papers . . . the Second Amendment was aimed at having the States having a more powerful army (militia) to PREVENT the Federal government from becoming all-powerful.

Snoopy

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Jan 28, 2018 07:29:29   #
rebob14
 
rumitoid wrote:
Ten years in research, meticulously and thoroughly screened, all reviewers say the author is correct.

And even if he is wrong, 11 school shootings in the first year of 2018: that's an acceptable cost of freedom? Do nothing?

We are by a wide margin the most violent nation of the so-called Free and Democratic World. It will take the combined deaths or injuries from guns of the five nearest countries to us to equal our stats. You don't have a problem with that fact? Again, the price of freedom?

What is the real threat? Right wing conspiracy! "The Left wants our guns so they can swoop down in Black helicopters in the middle of the night, with Left-wing's elite Russian force, to confiscate all weapons for their coup." This is the only reason we do not have sane gun control measures. NRA propaganda.

The Second Amendment is not sacrosanct, and even if misinterpreted to mean all citizens have the right to bear arms, we have a clear mandate to make such possession "regulated." Controlled. The State is not enough. It needs to be federal, as originally intended. Universal!

A failure to do is playing the role of the "permissive parent": "Go and kill, my son and daughter, but be home for late night snacks. Our Constitution loves you no matter what. It is your freedom."
Ten years in research, meticulously and thoroughly... (show quote)


Ooopsy! There you go flipping stats again, Mr Natural. Almost all murders by gunfire are committed by criminals against criminals, and most of that happens in the progressive utopian centers of Democrat ruled cities. The NRA exists because a majority of law abiding citizens want it to, you know, that pesky democracy thing you only like when you expect it to enthrone skanks and socialists. And, yes, ALL of the Constitution IS sacrosanct........you should read it sometime instead of watching the never ending parade of Hollywood awards shows.

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Jan 28, 2018 07:40:09   #
rebob14
 
rumitoid wrote:
I suggest that you read the many regrettable and wrong decisions of SCOTUS, such as Dred Scott.


Wellll........your liberal heroes of yesteryear kinda cut the people, and their elected representatives, out of the possibility of having a true voice. You’ve read Dred Scott, it seems.........try reading Marbury vs Madison, you know, the case where John Marshall decided that the Constitution was unclear and need him to fill in the blanks. Because nobody challenged him, we now have a “precedent “ for the opinions of politically appointed justices becoming law.

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Jan 28, 2018 07:40:33   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
rumitoid wrote:
Loki: "Most of the murders in this country are committed by urban black males aged 15-30, and by illegal Hispanics. The murder rate for whites of European ancestry is about the same whether it is the US, the UK, Canada, Germany, or the Scandinavian countries; around 1:100,000.
Violence in America is largely perpetrated by your precious minorities; and the victims are usually other minorities. Nearly half the murders in this country are committed by urban black males aged 15-30. More than half the murder victims in this country are blacks, and about 94% of their murderers are other blacks, usually in the demographic I mentioned.
Oh yes, the book you mentioned? Is it as imaginary as it's incorrect conclusion? You don't agree with the SCOTUS decision? Too bad."

Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2014/01/european-murder-rates-compared-to-the-united-states-demographics-vs-guns/#ixzz55RWLnjdH
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“In 2010, the homicide rate for black male teens was 51.7 per 100,000, more than 22 times higher than the rate for white male teens (2.4 per 100,000). Rates for other groups were 17.9 per 100,000 for Hispanic males, 11.9 per 100,000 for American Indian males, and 3.2* per 100,000 for Asian and Pacific Islander males."

What do we do with your and my stats? (And I have more in your favor.) A darker shade of white is suspect? Brown to black is inferior, or suspect? Forget the protections of the Constitution, we know where our safety is and it is just common sense to protect it? Profile! It really comes down to this hard and unfortunate choice: liberty or safety. Too many, in my eyes, are choosing the latter. Under trump and this new world direction to autocracy, that choice is the basis for how we want to live. With the messiness and complexities of democracy or the simplicity and safe rule of autocracy?
Loki: "Most of the murders in this country ar... (show quote)


You are the one who prefers safety. You would disarm the victims, leaving them wide open to attack, as your own means of murder prevention. You would take the car keys from a non-drinker to stop drunk driving.
My stats were 15 to 30 years of age, not 13 to 19. If someone were stopped and questioned by cops for acting suspiciously or in an erratic manner, you would probably accuse cops of profiling if that someone were Black or Hispanic, and say they were simply being conscientious if the subject was white.
By your logic, an increased police presence in a high crime neighborhood is profiling if the neighborhood is minority. If a certain group of people is far more likely to commit a crime, it is common sense to watch them more closely. This is not autocracy, nor is it discriminatory when a certain group in a certain area has repeatedly shown themselves to be more likely to commit crimes. It increases freedom and safety for those who are not of a criminal bent.
When profiling goes down, crime goes up. Your solution is to hamstring the cops and disarm the victims.

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Jan 28, 2018 12:29:37   #
okie don
 
www.usavsus.info
Get EDUCATED (:

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Jan 28, 2018 13:12:58   #
JoyV
 
rumitoid wrote:
Ten years in research, meticulously and thoroughly screened, all reviewers say the author is correct.

And even if he is wrong, 11 school shootings in the first year of 2018: that's an acceptable cost of freedom? Do nothing?

We are by a wide margin the most violent nation of the so-called Free and Democratic World. It will take the combined deaths or injuries from guns of the five nearest countries to us to equal our stats. You don't have a problem with that fact? Again, the price of freedom?

What is the real threat? Right wing conspiracy! "The Left wants our guns so they can swoop down in Black helicopters in the middle of the night, with Left-wing's elite Russian force, to confiscate all weapons for their coup." This is the only reason we do not have sane gun control measures. NRA propaganda.

The Second Amendment is not sacrosanct, and even if misinterpreted to mean all citizens have the right to bear arms, we have a clear mandate to make such possession "regulated." Controlled. The State is not enough. It needs to be federal, as originally intended. Universal!

A failure to do is playing the role of the "permissive parent": "Go and kill, my son and daughter, but be home for late night snacks. Our Constitution loves you no matter what. It is your freedom."
Ten years in research, meticulously and thoroughly... (show quote)



If you'll check you'll find that nearly all mass shootings in the US happen in strict gun control areas. Why is that?

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Jan 28, 2018 13:35:16   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
JoyV wrote:
If you'll check you'll find that nearly all mass shootings in the US happen in strict gun control areas. Why is that?

All but one of the last 25 have happened in gun free zones. Why is THAT?

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Jan 28, 2018 14:22:19   #
Snoopy
 
Loki wrote:
All but one of the last 25 have happened in gun free zones. Why is THAT?



To All:

Why did the previous administration arm Federal agencies that have NO NEED nor use for arms to compete their stated mission?

Could it be that they are AFRAID of the civilian population?

Snoopy

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Jan 28, 2018 16:48:25   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
Well, that is a lie what you claimed. However, even if true, the lack of a universal federal law backing gun-control nationwide, any attempt at controlling guns by states is an ugly and ultimately sick joke.
You're the sick joke, rummy. 15 independent research studies by criminologists have shown that I am not lying. Over 50 research projects on private gun ownership vs crime rate has shown that cities, counties, states, and nations that severely restrict or prohibit private gun ownership experience the highest crime rates. You could say that these places where restrictions on private gun ownership are most severe have instituted "universal federal law backing gun control nationwide."

Put simply, if an 8th grader wanted to engage, honestly and objectively, in the gun control debate, he would have to avoid completely the media hype and any emotionally charged, highly prejudiced anti-gun rhetoric that is so prevalent these days. The young researcher would have to find sources that provide honest and objective research into the FACTS. Honesty, logic, reason, and critical thinking are the keys to the truth. I have yet to find a liberal anywhere who displays these attributes. All you guys do is whine. There is good reason why we call you "bleeding hearts".

Crime Prevention Research Center

Moreover, in extensive interviews with incarcerated felons in US prisons, the prisoners were asked specific questions regarding where they were most likely to commit a crime. The majority of them admitted that they avoided homes, neighborhoods, and areas where citizens were allowed to own and carry guns.

4 Out Of 5 Felons Agree: Guns Do Deter Crime

James Wright, a professor of sociology at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, surveyed more than 1,800 inmates, all convicted of felonies, in 10 state prisons across the nation. He found that 80 percent reported that burglars avoid houses when people are home because ''they fear getting shot during the crime.'' ''Unquestionably, guns in the home make criminals very nervous. About 40 percent of the inmates in my study told us that they had chosen not to commit a crime at one time or another because they had reason to believe that the potential victim was armed."

Criminals for Gun Control

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Jan 28, 2018 17:19:54   #
rumitoid
 
Weaver wrote:
Australia took the guns away from it’t people and look at how it’s effecting the Australian.
Then come up with another plan. Because the problem remains that they didn’t get all of the guns. The lawless seems to come up with a way to inflect their lawless ways.


Google "decrease in gun violence in Australia 2017." It worked!

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Jan 28, 2018 17:25:30   #
rumitoid
 
Loki wrote:
I am positive he is right about Mexico. With one third of our population, last year they had twice as many murders. Their per capita murder rate is almost five times as high as ours, and it's nearly impossible for a civilian to legally own a gun in Mexico.
People like you will not admit the real problem, which is born out by the FBI's uniform crime report, and by UN statistics. Most of the murders in this country are committed by urban black males aged 15-30, and by illegal Hispanics. The murder rate for whites of European ancestry is about the same whether it is the US, the UK, Canada, Germany, or the Scandinavian countries; around 1:100,000.
Violence in America is largely perpetrated by your precious minorities; and the victims are usually other minorities. Nearly half the murders in this country are committed by urban black males aged 15-30. More than half the murder victims in this country are blacks, and about 94% of their murderers are other blacks, usually in the demographic I mentioned.
Oh yes, the book you mentioned? Is it as imaginary as it's incorrect conclusion? You don't agree with the SCOTUS decision? Too bad. You are perfectly free to not own a gun. You are free to believe that a gun ban would keep you safe. Move to Mexico. They have gun control.
I am positive he is right about Mexico. With one t... (show quote)


Taking all you said as true about the crime statistics, which I have no reason to doubt, how do we fix the problem? Is there a way without violating the Constitution?

"Oh yes, the book you mentioned? Is it as imaginary as it's incorrect conclusion?" No. Patrick J. Charles doesn’t keep readers in suspense as to his interpretation. In his introduction to Armed in America: A History of Gun Rights from Colonial Militias to Concealed Carry, Mr. Charles states: “the Second Amendment was neither legally intended nor legally understood by the Founding Fathers as protecting a right to armed individual self-defense.”

So there you have it – if you buy into Charles’s detailed exegesis. Charles, a historian and legal scholar, spent almost 10 years digging deeply into the issue of gun rights. And he has written a credible record of what he learned, which led to his conclusions. https://www.csmonitor.com/Books/Book-Reviews/2018/0126/Armed-in-America-asks-exactly-what-the-Founding-Fathers-intended-with-the-Second-Amendment

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Jan 28, 2018 17:35:21   #
Texas Truth Loc: Behind Enemy Lines
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You're the sick joke, rummy. 15 independent research studies by criminologists have shown that I am not lying. Over 50 research projects on private gun ownership vs crime rate has shown that cities, counties, states, and nations that severely restrict or prohibit private gun ownership experience the highest crime rates. You could say that these places where restrictions on private gun ownership are most severe have instituted "universal federal law backing gun control nationwide."

Put simply, if an 8th grader wanted to engage, honestly and objectively, in the gun control debate, he would have to avoid completely the media hype and any emotionally charged, highly prejudiced anti-gun rhetoric that is so prevalent these days. The young researcher would have to find sources that provide honest and objective research into the FACTS. Honesty, logic, reason, and critical thinking are the keys to the truth. I have yet to find a liberal anywhere who displays these attributes. All you guys do is whine. There is good reason why we call you "bleeding hearts".

Crime Prevention Research Center

Moreover, in extensive interviews with incarcerated felons in US prisons, the prisoners were asked specific questions regarding where they were most likely to commit a crime. The majority of them admitted that they avoided homes, neighborhoods, and areas where citizens were allowed to own and carry guns.

4 Out Of 5 Felons Agree: Guns Do Deter Crime

James Wright, a professor of sociology at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, surveyed more than 1,800 inmates, all convicted of felonies, in 10 state prisons across the nation. He found that 80 percent reported that burglars avoid houses when people are home because ''they fear getting shot during the crime.'' ''Unquestionably, guns in the home make criminals very nervous. About 40 percent of the inmates in my study told us that they had chosen not to commit a crime at one time or another because they had reason to believe that the potential victim was armed."

Criminals for Gun Control
You're the sick joke, rummy. 15 independent resear... (show quote)


Bravo

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Jan 28, 2018 17:36:58   #
rumitoid
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Quite right, Loki, I was just lending some balance to rummy's fallacious allegations about how our right to bear arms has spawned a blizzard of murder and mayhem in America. One thing that truly puzzles me is how liberals can ignore the fact that those cities, counties and countries with prohibitive firearm laws are the most violent. I live in a town where gun ownership is very high, where open carry is legal, we have not seen a gun related crime in over 25 years. The last firearm related death was 10 years ago and that was a suicide. I reckon that the reason liberal gun haters ignore the facts is because their ideology trumps facts. A fact to a liberal is like sunlight to a vampire. Libs suffer a mental pathology that is nearly impossible to define.
Quite right, Loki, I was just lending some balance... (show quote)


"That those cities, counties, and countries with prohibitive firearm laws are the most violent" is an outright lie. Google the ten most worse states for gun violence and eight of them have the loosest gun laws. The most relaxed on that list about guns are in the top five.

From https://thinkprogress.org/study-states-with-loose-gun-laws-have-higher-rates-of-gun-violence-a4f6cdf6b570/
The National Rifle Association (NRA) and its allies in Congress frequently claim that gun violence is highest in places with the toughest crime laws. But a new study from the Center for American Progress (CAP) suggests something closer to the opposite is true — the states with laxer gun laws tend to be the ones contributing the highest shares of national gun deaths and injuries.

The authors of the report, called “America Under The Gun,” developed a list of ten indices of gun violence, ranging from gun homicide levels to firearm assaults to crime gun export rate (the number of guns sold in that state used in crimes around the country), and ranked each state from 1–50 along each index. They then took the average of each state’s ranking to determine its overall level of gun violence relative to other states. Lousiana was the highest, with an average of fifth-worst across all ten indices, while Hawaii’s 45.4 ranking was the best.

While many factors contribute to the rates of gun violence in any state, our research clearly demonstrates a significant correlation between the strength of a state’s gun laws and the prevalence of gun violence in the state. Across the key indicators of gun violence that we analyzed, the 10 states with the weakest gun laws collectively have a level of gun violence that is more than twice as high — 104 percent higher — than the 10 states with the strongest gun laws.

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