Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

wasn't this the same CDC that said all muricans was Fat?((laughin))
nannystate propaganda is disseminated by lib media to perpetuate the welfare state.

now where's my ho ho's...

straightUp Loc: California

Honestly, I can't even make sense out of what you're saying here.


I don't know of any such bans. Maybe you can enlighten me. Unless you're just lying.


OK... obviously you have a stick up your ass. The perception that Muslims are unfairly favored by libs is utter bullshit. Look, you're more than welcome to present facts (with sources) or logical arguments, but if you're just going bark like a dog I'm going to ignore you.

straightUp Loc: California

They were confronting the dangers of obesity. And yes, compared to everyone else in the world, Americans ARE fat and more people die in America from obesity than any other country in the world.


...according to the propaganda spewing from the liars of right-wing media.


Probably stuck in the folds of your fat belly. Try rolling to the side.

Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

I'm quite slim thank ya, but have noticed all the 400lb dindu's vote D.

straightUp Loc: California

400 lbs would indicate a clinical problem so yeah, they probably do vote Democrat because they know Republicans would just as soon watch them die. But obesity starts at 20% overweight (that's when it becomes unhealthy) and is mostly caused by overeating and physical inactivity. And yes, there are more obese Americans per capita than any other country in the world.

Now, there's not a lot of data linking obesity directly to party affiliation but the geographical information is abundant and clearly points to the Red States being home to the vast majority of America's fatties. It doesn't take much of leap from there to say Republicans are probably the biggest fatties over all.

http://calorielab.com/news/wp-images/post-images/fattest-states-2015-big.jpg

So is this why Republicans don't have a problem shutting up the CDC? Because they're tired of hearing how fat they are?

pafret Loc: Northeast

I tried four different translators and it makes a difference if you include the exclamation point. There is still a difference with translations as vanilla as "phasing' and "standardization" but the closest came from the Collins dictionary: "The enforcement of standardization and the elimination of all opposition within the political, economic, and cultural institutions of a state."

From my Oxford Duden German Dictionary: Gleich -- of equal importance or status, Gleichschalten -- Force or bring into line, Schaltung -- Manual gear change or circuit or wiring system

The Collins interpretation is most in line with the tenor of this post.

I read your article and Kelly did not assert that her budget was rejected because of language. Nor was this rejection attributed to any other researcher. The article identified her as the chairperson of a meeting where the word-ban guidelines were discussed and she did not attribute them to any particular source. This information came from "ANONYMOUS", the Washington Oracle from whom all tidings emanate. Other CDC sources ( Again unidentified) confirmed that there is a list of verboten words.

The article starts off with the strong assertion that the "Trump Administration" is prohibiting CDC people from using certain words. Instead of naming names the article immediately wimps out and asserts "Policy Analysts" at the CDC "were told." Not who told them, not what the hell do policy analysts have to do with science and medical research or even what policies they are analyzing.

The whole article is propaganda and it veracity is debatable at best. It certainly does not constitute an indictment of the Trump "Administration"

Altering scientific data or reports by insisting that the precise words not be used is hardly to be equated with the popular outrage that the knee benders have engendered. This is a prime example of Trump being what I called a blunt instrument; a more political animal would have chosen some other weasel worded method to express his displeasure.

However, consider the enormous number of OPP posts proposing firing and worse for those players. At the minimum there is a boycott severely affecting the revenues being drawn by the owners of those teams. This in your lexicography is no doubt equated with suppression of free speech,


Whatever manner is used to establish corporate policies is of no import. Policies must be communicated to the employee labor pool. They are usually communicated in writing because they are ordinarily too long for oral presentation. There is no question as to where these policies are derived, your employer wants it that way. I suggest you go back and read your article because nowhere did it say the Dept of HHS established that as policy or told Kelly that this was the case. Kelly “passed on” the information but it never identified from whom was the information obtained. We do not "know that Alison Kelly (CDC) was told by the Department of Heath and Human Services" etc.

“According to the article that I guess you didn't read,” Alison Kelly did not submit a budget nor did she claim any other person submitted a budget and had difficulties over language. Read your own article and stop filling in with your wishful thinking.

The constitution recognizes our right to free speech; there can be no policy that contravenes this. The Constitution is the law of the land, not policies.

To those who consider Trump to be Satan incarnate, nothing he ever does will be normal or good. All evils are lodged at his door and this ridiculous knee jerk antagonism is counterproductive in determining whether any good is being derived from his actions. This of us who voted for him did so precisely because he was unwilling to accept the status quo and insisted that he and we can do something about that.

As far as your remarks on LGBTQ whatevers I find it remarkable that less than three percent of the population is permitted to lead the 97 % around with a ring in its nose. It is a mark of the insanity of the times.

badbobby Loc: texas

my bad s u
but still propaganda

Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

11r20 wrote:

nannystate propaganda is disseminated by lib media to perpetuate the welfare state.



No, it's what I say Tonto, and I also say the CDC is responsible for promotin the fluoride cocktail
that's nothin more than 300 cancer causin carcinogins pumped through the water depts
of low income districts...the demonrat's cant have their 'LBJ, Great Society' ""Pet Project Dindu's""
feeling too energetic or they'd start runnin off the reservation.

Now out here where I live, we have confederate rednek blacks,rednek mexicans,even rednek indians from india;
and we all git along.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

First you bitch at me for posting links, now your bitching at me for not posting links, WTF is it with you? Since you are the brightest bulb in this room surely you must have some idea what is going on in our public schools.

Princeton HR department: Don’t use word ‘man’

Lake Superior State University’s 42nd Annual List of Banished Words

Banned Words

America’s Public Schools: Exalting Islam, Banning Christmas

Florida Schools Ban Bibles After Pressure from Atheists

School bans Christian Club... again

School: We have a right to ban God

Allegations of Islam Indoctrination in Public Schools Spread to New Jersey

Moms declare holy war after school teaches Islam 'true faith'

Massachusetts public school assignment simulates Hajj to Mecca

straightUp Loc: California

Interesting.


That seems about right.


Even the DC Circuit translation makes sense when you think about how direct current flows in one direction as opposed to AC which alternates. But I agree, your Collins interpretation is more closely related to the topic of the post.

To be honest, I don't understand all the fuss about translation. My use of the word was a reference to a historical event. If I make a reference to the Great Depression would you bring up all the references to psychology that a translator might bring up? According to Wikipedia, Gleichschaltung (the historical event) was the process of Nazification by which Nazi Germany successively established a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of society, "from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education".

So that's the reference, I'm making.


very last paragraph...

Kelly told the analysts that “certain words” in the CDC’s budget drafts were being sent back to the agency for correction. Three words that had been flagged in these drafts were “vulnerable,” “entitlement” and “diversity.” Kelly told the group the ban on the other words had been conveyed verbally.

That seems pretty clear to me. Budget allocations don't happen without budget drafts first being accepted and if the Department of HHS is sending back budget drafts to be "corrected" by removing certain words, how is that NOT just what I said it was?


How do you know? The WP was only covering one case. Just because other cases aren't included in the story doesn't mean they don't happen.


She doesn't have to. She said she was relaying the information. We all know that information didn't come from Bob's Bar and Grill. It came from the farther up the chain of command, which for the CDC is the Department of HHS and THAT department falls under the direct command of Eric Hargain who is "acting" Secretary since the person Trump nominated for the job got caught up in scandal (like all the rest of his nominees).

So I really don't see your point here... It seems you are trying to say that I have no proof that the order was issued by Trump himself but I never made that claim. If you noticed I started off my post with a reference to the Trump Administration, which includes the Department of HHS.

Also, I've had 10 months to observe the effects of the Trump Administration on the Executive Branch of government and there are very clear patterns regarding the removal of information that I can see first hand. The article also touches on that. Finally, with the WP breaking this story, it's hard to believe that this hasn't come to Trump's attention and yet he has offered no correction. I think it's fair to assume that even if he isn't a part of the enforcing the ban, he is at least aware of it and approves.


The article says the source was a CDC analyst, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to speak publicly, which isn't surprising given the gag orders so prevalent within the Trump Administration, but the HHS response since the story broke pretty much confirms that the story wasn't just fabricated.


What is Alison Kelly then? A car brand? I think your either wishful or confused or maybe both but the WP didn't get the whole story from an anonymous source, they mentioned a few additional things from anonymous sources but the main part of the story was about a meeting led by Alison Kelly. Actual event... real name. I understand you want to cast doubt on the story but your nit-picking is no match for the overwhelming context. Like I said 10 months is plenty of time for people to notice the signs. Since Trump took over there have been countless reports on information removal and gag orders. This is not a surprising story, this has in fact become typical.


What the hell does any of that have to do with banning words from documents? Do you really need a scientific consensus on what removing the word "fetus" from a budget draft means? Man, you are streeeetching...


Sorry p... it's too late for that angle... A few hours ago ABC News requested a comment from the Department of HHS... and they got one. The HSS issued a statement that did NOT deny any part of the WP story. If the story was bogus they would have. So that pretty much confirms it.

Instead, they suggested a "mischaracterization" which is a clever but well-known rhetorical technique for suggesting an error that doesn't actually exist. They assured ABC that they encourage the use of outcome and evidence data in program evaluations as if that was the issue being questioned, which it wasn't. The WP reported the banning of certain words in the budget drafts not the banning of evidence or research.


Maybe not by itself, but I think it contributes to the distrust the American people are developing toward an increasingly unpopular president.


I agree... the "knee benders" aren't interfering with critical information that we rely on. People who are upset about the "knee benders" only have themselves to blame for being intolerant. But hampering the communication of data related to conditions that threaten the health and welfare of the American people is a million times worse. The NFL is entertainment pafret, the CDC is critical. You should really try to gain some sense of context on this.


It doesn't look like the owners are really loosing much and because the outrage is 100% hot air, it probably won't even last that long.


That's pretty much what I said. YOU were the one acting like a policy can't be real without verifying the name of a person who suggested it.


Actually it did. Right here... "Kelly told the analysts that “certain words” in the CDC’s budget drafts were being sent back to the agency for correction." the agency *IS* the Department of HHS. The CDC doesn't belong to any other agency. Now, I can't help you if you can't put two and two together.


"Kelly told the analysts that “certain words” in the CDC’s budget drafts were being sent back to the agency for correction." What part of that do you not understand?


That's a very common misunderstanding. I assume it stems from the fact that the Constitution trumps any conflicting law at the state or local level so people just automatically assume it trumps any rule no matter what kind of rule it is or where it comes from, but it doesn't. Go ahead read the 1st Amendment. The entire thing is one single sentence that starts out with "Congress shall make no law..." It says NOTHING about department policies in the Executive Branch or anywhere else.


Aw... is widdle Donny being picked on?


While those of us that did our homework didn't fall for the bullshit.


I think it's more like 30% (about the size of the deplorables) who feel like they're being led around by a ring in the nose because they allow themselves to get so wound up over people being different. I'm in that other 67% who are entirely unaffected by LGBTQ.

straightUp Loc: California

That's nice.

straightUp Loc: California

I say the same thing about links every single time. Use them to support your argument not in place of your argument. If you make a disputable claim, you need a link to support it and if you post a bunch of links without making a specific argument then your wasting my time because you're asking that I read all these links and I don't even know what your point is.

So... make a specific argument.

If your logic is good you won't even need a link. If you're claiming a disputable fact then you probably do.


Saying that I must have some idea what's going on in our schools is pretty vague. I wouldn't call it an argument or even point. But since I remember what you were ranting about earlier I figure I'd make an exception and look at one of the links... The first one..

Well, two paragraphs in and I already see disconnects. First of all, Princeton isn't a public school, it's a private school. Secondly, the elimination of the word "man" is something that the HR department specifically is imposing on themselves, not anyone else.

So it's exactly the same as going to restaurant for a burger and screaming at some chick for ordering a salad because you think that means YOU have to order a salad. Just order the burger and stop worrying about the choices other people make for themselves. I personally wouldn't take the word "man" out of my lexicon for the sake of being more "gender inclusive" but I'm not going to freak out if someone else decides to. It's a free country right?

PeterS

You mean like calling Michelle Obama a transvestite because of the way her dress wrinkled?


I just ran this list by my wife who teaches high school English and the only word's banned are "retarded" (that thanks to Palin and her retard) and tranny, and raghead. This isn't Liberal academics that banned these but any words used to denigrate others have always been banned from academics. To denigrate others students need to come to a political message board or listen to conservative radio--either of which will suffice...



So have you Christians asked for your own room so that you could conduct prayer? Muslims did because daily prayer several times a day is part of the tradition? How many times a day are you Christians suppose to pray?

Why is it you Christians have to portray yourselves as such martyrs. If you want to pray in school then arrange to pray in school but do so as Muslims did and in the privacy of their own room. Otherwise pray to yourselves and just hope your god can hear you. If he can't then I hate to break it to you but he isn't much of a god and perhaps you should invent another one...

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

The Muslim Student's Association was founded in the United States in 1963 by members of the Egyptian-based Muslim Brotherhood. The Brotherhood seeks a global Islamic state and has spawned leaders of a series of Sunni terrorist groups, including al-Qaida, Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. At present, the MSA has chapters on over 150 university and college campuses in the US.

The Muslim Brotherhood motto established by founder Hassan al-Banna is, “God is our objective, the Quran is our Constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our way, and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations.”

MSA members remain faithful to Brotherhood ideology. At the closing session of the MSA West conference in January 2011 at UCLA, attendees recited a pledge, “Allah is my lord, Islam is my life, the Quran is my guide, the Sunna is my practice, Jihad is my spirit, righteousness is my character, paradise is my goal. I enjoin what is right, I forbid what is wrong, I will fight against oppression, and I will die to establish Islam.”

Creeping Sharia

The MSA has a growing list of terrorist alumni as noted in this post, Why Muslim Student Group Concerned the NYPD:

The list is extensive, but among the MSA alumni who went on to terrorist involvement are:

Anwar al-Awlaki, an influential American-born al-Qaida cleric who recruited a series of homegrown jihadists before being killed by a U.S. drone strike;
Aafia Siddiqui, convicted of attempted murder and assault on U.S. officers and employees in Afghanistan;
Zachary Chesser, convicted of attempting to provide material support to the Somali terrorist group al-Shabaab and soliciting attacks on “South Park” producers for an episode in which the prophet Muhammad was shown in a bear suit;
Jesse Morton, convicted with Chesser of threatening the South Park producers with murder;
Adam Gadahn, an al-Qaida spokesman who is on the FBI’s Most Wanted List for treason and material support to al-Qaida;
Waheed Zaman, who was convicted of plotting to blow up transatlantic flights;
Adis Medunjanin, who is awaiting trial for plotting to bomb New York subways;
Ramy Zamzam, who was convicted in Pakistan of conspiring to carry out terrorist attacks;
Omar Hammami, who was indicted on charges of providing material support to al-Shabbab and is designated by the U.S. Treasury Department for his terrorist connections;
Muhammad Junaid Babar, who pled guilty to his support to al-Qaida; and
Syed Hashmi, who pled guilty to providing material support to al-Qaida.


The Muslim Students Association and the Jihad Network

Muslim Students Association: THE INVESTIGATIVE PROJECT ON TERRORISM

The Truth About the Muslim Students Association

Muslim Students Association: “the mother ship of all the Muslim Brotherhood front groups”

David Horowitz Chilling Exchange With Muslim Student

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

I have never said such a thing, nor do I believe it.