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Nov 23, 2017 19:07:53   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
All your bullshit is moot because there were no jolts. If all the lower floors had not been pulverized by explosives, there would have been one huge jolt. As the upper mass started to fall, it was pulverized by explosives as well. By the time the upper floor debris reached the previously undamaged lower floors, 80% to 90% of all the mass of the towers was being ejected outward from the tower. There was nothing left to crush the lower floors except the explosives which were being detonated in sequence down the towers at 2/3rds free-fall speed. Watch it happen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGAofwkAOlo
All your bullshit is moot because there were no jo... (show quote)
Really, dude, you can stop with the explosives horseshit. You need to watch that video closely. At the 2:10 time mark, you will clearly see a wide section of the perimeter wall from about a third of the way in from the left to the center begin to fall before the rest of the upper portion begins to collapse. There is no visible evidence whatsoever that an explosive detonation occurred, not at that moment or any time thereafter.



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Nov 23, 2017 19:16:30   #
payne1000
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
payne1000 If, as you claim, no security cameras existed at Boston Logan Airport, the reason would be that Boston Logan's security was handled by an Israel corporation: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ICTS.html.
This is just more evidence against Israel being involved in the planning and execution of 9/11.
I made no claims about no security cameras at Boston Logan, the officials at Boston Logan said the cameras had never been installed.

I won't get into the details of "whatreallyhappened" says about this, other than to say it is just more anti-Semitic propaganda, and the author of that bullshit is anonymous.


Washington Dulles airport had in the neighborhood of 300 security cameras. Where are those videos? Please don't post that fake video which has been manipulated and has no time date stamp or any indication of where it was located.
An airport security video has little to do with the process of booking and boarding a commercial flight. Such videos are passive monitors only, they do not book flights online, through a travel agent, or at the airline ticket counter. Airport cameras do not accept cash, checks, or credit card information, they do not check every passenger's ID, passport (if applicable), ticket, and boarding pass, and they do not scan faces, fingerprints or retinas in order to identify every one of the millions of passengers who pass through the checkpoints every year. In other words, video cameras don't give a shit who gets on an airplane. In 2001, airport cameras were primarily for baggage surveillance.

Please show readers photos of the alleged damage which brought WTC7 down. WTC7 stood for 7-1/2 hours after the South Tower fell. There was plenty of time for photos to be taken from every angle. Why are those photos being withheld?

On 9/11, the wind was blowing from the north, because of this the south side of WTC7 was obscured by smoke pouring from the building. However, before the fires in WTC7 developed to any degree, an NYPD chopper took some photos.

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payne1000 If, as you claim, no security cameras ex... (show quote)


Here's another account of Israeli run ITCS. It has an author. It also mentions Securicom which had Marvin Bush on the Board of Directors. http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/06/377204.shtml

The alleged hijackers would have had to go through baggage check security at Washington Dulles. Where are those videos?

The photos you posted show a problem with the damage you claim for WTC7. The sun was hitting the East side of the building on both photos. That means both photos are showing the East side of WTC7.

Look at the dark smoke marks on the corner of the building. You can see them on both photos. The damage which was retouched into the first photo was not added to the second photo.





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Nov 23, 2017 19:22:06   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
You need to choose another term than explosives... explosives rapidly expand while releasing massive heat energy as pressure & gases breaking the sound barrier causing massive sonic booms... that's how things work on planet earth... here's the audio of the north tower collapse close up ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTELP2Fb754 a very violent gravitational collapse nothing sonic about it... the towers peeled outward as the top section fell straight through the center core all the way to the ground as seen & heard on every video to date... Gravity & Kinetic energy rule the universe as well as 911...
You need to choose another term than explosives...... (show quote)


As usual your childish graphics don't do justice to what really happened.
You say explosives rapidly expand, well look what's happening here . . . and do you think this wasn't accompanied by huge explosive sounds?
https://youtu.be/VwjRaadx-QU



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Nov 23, 2017 19:24:01   #
payne1000
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Really, dude, you can stop with the explosives horseshit. You need to watch that video closely. At the 2:10 time mark, you will clearly see a wide section of the perimeter wall from about a third of the way in from the left to the center begin to fall before the rest of the upper portion begins to collapse. There is no visible evidence whatsoever that an explosive detonation occurred, not at that moment or any time thereafter.


I think you are sadly mistaken . . .



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Nov 23, 2017 19:34:32   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
Newton's Third Law calls for an equal and opposite reaction when two masses come together. The equal and opposite reaction of the upper floor mass hitting the solid mass of floors below would have stopped the falling mass if explosives hadn't pulverized the previously solid mass of lower floors.
You still don't get it, do you? There was an equal and opposite reaction, BUT this involved UNEQUAL MASS AND MOMENTUM. A WTC tower WAS NOT a "solid mass of floors", not before 9/11, not during 9/11, and especially not after. The collapsing portion (mass in motion) of the tower was 15 times the mass and weight of the first floor it came down upon (an object at rest). The collapsing mass DID NOT come down on all the floors below at once. Get it? The falling mass came down on one freaking floor at a time, one right after another, in sequence all the way down.

Obviously, the explosives fantasy has destroyed the ability of conspiratorial minds to apply basic science and critical thought to such a violent event. You fools have written your own rules in order to keep the fantasy alive in your own minds. To hell with empirical science and the proper understanding and applications of Newton's laws of motion.

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Nov 23, 2017 19:58:04   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
I think you are sadly mistaken . . .
What you think is irrelevant. Watch the VIDEO again. Start at 2:10 and watch closely. A large section of the perimeter wall breaks loose and begins to fall a second or two BEFORE the rest of the upper portion collapses. No detonations of any kind.



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Nov 23, 2017 20:09:44   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
Newton's Third Law calls for an equal and opposite reaction when two masses come together. The equal and opposite reaction of the upper floor mass hitting the solid mass of floors below would have stopped the falling mass if explosives hadn't pulverized the previously solid mass of lower floors.



Not quite how it works on planet earth... your solid lower mass has a maximum weight limit of 1300Tons per floor... what this means is that when the entire top mass fell & went into motion it impacted the first solid floor of the lower mass with 90000Tons of weight ... this floor was only designed to support 1300Tons more that its own weight of 4500Tons... this means that the first impacted floor received an overload of 77000Tons more than it was designed to support & rapidly failed in the blink of an eye...as the mass continued to fall it gained in mass & speed blowing through the next solid floor faster & with more weight & force...F=ma is simply why the towers collapsed as seen... the third law of motion simply states for every action there is an equal & opposite reaction... This did prove true on 911... the first floor impacted by the top mass falling did push back with 1300Tons of force as designed then rapidly failed when 90000Tons of the top mass overloaded the first floor system blasting straight down to the next floor system in line... Your misleading Chandler videos show a hammer striking a nail for a example of the 3rd law ... to be realistic replace the 10 penny nail with a pin & see how much it slows the hammer although we do know it will in fact slow the hammer some proved by the 3rd law of motion... framed tube structures are not solid blocks & there is simply first times for everything... What goes up must come down... even solid rock mountains given time...

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Nov 23, 2017 20:14:56   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
As usual your childish graphics don't do justice to what really happened.
You say explosives rapidly expand, well look what's happening here . . . and do you think this wasn't accompanied by huge explosive sounds?
https://youtu.be/VwjRaadx-QU



I didn't hear any form of high explosive detonation & neither did you... we heard a reporter say the word explosion for lack of a better word... get real already...

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Nov 24, 2017 02:36:39   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000
If, as you claim, no security cameras existed at Boston Logan Airport, the reason would be that Boston Logan's security was handled by an Israel corporation: This is just more evidence against Israel being involved in the planning and execution of 9/11.

Massachusetts Port Authority managed security at Boston Logan airport, Huntleigh USA/ICTS had no contract at that airport.

Huntleigh USA was and still is not an Israel corporation, it was and still is an American company. In 1999, Huntleigh USA Corporation was acquired by ICTS USA Inc., a subsidiary of ICTS International N.V., which has played a major role in aviation security since 1982.

ICTS International N.V. is a Dutch firm that develops products and provides consulting and personnel services in the field of aviation and general security. It was established in 1982, by former members of the Shin Bet, Israel's internal security agency, and El Al airline security agents. The executive officers are Jews - - Menachem J. Atzmon (Chairman of the Supervisory Board since 2004), Ran Langer (Managing Director since 2004), and Alon Raich (CFO since 2008) --- none of whom were running the corporation in 2001.

Israel provides the best airport security system in the world, and El Al is the safest airline.

Since the hijacking of Flight 426 in Rome on July 23, 1968, by three members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, there has been no successful attempt at terror aboard the Israeli carrier, although it is a prime target.

On September 6, 1970, as part of the Dawson's Field hijackings by PFLP members, the hijacking of El Al Flight 219 from Amsterdam was foiled: hijacker Patrick Argüello was shot and killed, and on the same day, as part of the Dawson's Field hijackings, two PFLP hijackers were prevented from boarding an El Al flight.

Since its founding as a nation in 1948, no aircraft hijacking has originated from any airport in Israel, and only two hijacked aircraft landed in Israel. Several others were bound for Israel but were diverted to other countries. One under the threat of being shot down.


payne1000

Here's another account of Israeli run ITCS. It has an author. It also mentions Securicom which had Marvin Bush on the Board of Directors. http//portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/06/377204.shtml

The attempts posted on that site to connect Israel with American airport security on 9/11 are nothing but unproven allegations, all of it is based on speculative spin of post-9/11 litigation and law suits. Most, if not all, of that is the work of anti-Semitic conspiracy nuts like Christopher Bollyn.

Amazing to what lengths Jew haters will go without evidence or proof to blame millions of innocent people for the diabolical work of Islamic terrorists.

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Nov 24, 2017 08:46:11   #
payne1000
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You still don't get it, do you? There was an equal and opposite reaction, BUT this involved UNEQUAL MASS AND MOMENTUM. A WTC tower WAS NOT a "solid mass of floors", not before 9/11, not during 9/11, and especially not after. The collapsing portion (mass in motion) of the tower was 15 times the mass and weight of the first floor it came down upon (an object at rest). The collapsing mass DID NOT come down on all the floors below at once. Get it? The falling mass came down on one freaking floor at a time, one right after another, in sequence all the way down.

Obviously, the explosives fantasy has destroyed the ability of conspiratorial minds to apply basic science and critical thought to such a violent event. You fools have written your own rules in order to keep the fantasy alive in your own minds. To hell with empirical science and the proper understanding and applications of Newton's laws of motion.
You still don't get it, do you? There was an equal... (show quote)


Claiming the Twin Towers were constructed as weak individual floors which could be crushed one at a time by the very same weight they had held up for over half a century is pure hogwash and you know it. You need another science lesson:





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Nov 24, 2017 08:51:05   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
Not quite how it works on planet earth... your solid lower mass has a maximum weight limit of 1300Tons per floor... what this means is that when the entire top mass fell & went into motion it impacted the first solid floor of the lower mass with 90000Tons of weight ... this floor was only designed to support 1300Tons more that its own weight of 4500Tons... this means that the first impacted floor received an overload of 77000Tons more than it was designed to support & rapidly failed in the blink of an eye...as the mass continued to fall it gained in mass & speed blowing through the next solid floor faster & with more weight & force...F=ma is simply why the towers collapsed as seen... the third law of motion simply states for every action there is an equal & opposite reaction... This did prove true on 911... the first floor impacted by the top mass falling did push back with 1300Tons of force as designed then rapidly failed when 90000Tons of the top mass overloaded the first floor system blasting straight down to the next floor system in line... Your misleading Chandler videos show a hammer striking a nail for a example of the 3rd law ... to be realistic replace the 10 penny nail with a pin & see how much it slows the hammer although we do know it will in fact slow the hammer some proved by the 3rd law of motion... framed tube structures are not solid blocks & there is simply first times for everything... What goes up must come down... even solid rock mountains given time...
Not quite how it works on planet earth... your sol... (show quote)


You post the same lies as BR so you get the same reply:


Claiming the Twin Towers were constructed as weak individual floors which could be crushed one at a time by the very same weight they had held up for over half a century is pure hogwash and you know it. You need another science lesson:





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Nov 24, 2017 08:55:20   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
I didn't hear any form of high explosive detonation & neither did you... we heard a reporter say the word explosion for lack of a better word... get real already...


I've explained many times that news video camera recording levels are adjusted to pick up the reporters' voice in the foreground while subduing background noise.
The reporters did not just say "explosion", they said "HUGE explosion." They also said there were reports of other bombs in the Towers. https://youtu.be/VwjRaadx-QU

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Nov 24, 2017 08:59:49   #
payne1000
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
payne1000
If, as you claim, no security cameras existed at Boston Logan Airport, the reason would be that Boston Logan's security was handled by an Israel corporation: This is just more evidence against Israel being involved in the planning and execution of 9/11.

Massachusetts Port Authority managed security at Boston Logan airport, Huntleigh USA/ICTS had no contract at that airport.

Huntleigh USA was and still is not an Israel corporation, it was and still is an American company. In 1999, Huntleigh USA Corporation was acquired by ICTS USA Inc., a subsidiary of ICTS International N.V., which has played a major role in aviation security since 1982.

ICTS International N.V. is a Dutch firm that develops products and provides consulting and personnel services in the field of aviation and general security. It was established in 1982, by former members of the Shin Bet, Israel's internal security agency, and El Al airline security agents. The executive officers are Jews - - Menachem J. Atzmon (Chairman of the Supervisory Board since 2004), Ran Langer (Managing Director since 2004), and Alon Raich (CFO since 2008) --- none of whom were running the corporation in 2001.

Israel provides the best airport security system in the world, and El Al is the safest airline.

Since the hijacking of Flight 426 in Rome on July 23, 1968, by three members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, there has been no successful attempt at terror aboard the Israeli carrier, although it is a prime target.

On September 6, 1970, as part of the Dawson's Field hijackings by PFLP members, the hijacking of El Al Flight 219 from Amsterdam was foiled: hijacker Patrick Argüello was shot and killed, and on the same day, as part of the Dawson's Field hijackings, two PFLP hijackers were prevented from boarding an El Al flight.

Since its founding as a nation in 1948, no aircraft hijacking has originated from any airport in Israel, and only two hijacked aircraft landed in Israel. Several others were bound for Israel but were diverted to other countries. One under the threat of being shot down.


payne1000

Here's another account of Israeli run ITCS. It has an author. It also mentions Securicom which had Marvin Bush on the Board of Directors. http//portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/06/377204.shtml

The attempts posted on that site to connect Israel with American airport security on 9/11 are nothing but unproven allegations, all of it is based on speculative spin of post-9/11 litigation and law suits. Most, if not all, of that is the work of anti-Semitic conspiracy nuts like Christopher Bollyn.

Amazing to what lengths Jew haters will go without evidence or proof to blame millions of innocent people for the diabolical work of Islamic terrorists.
payne1000 br If, as you claim, no security cameras... (show quote)


Why is it you Zionist shills never give sources for your misinformation?
Where are the Dulles Airport security videos of the hijackers? Dulles had about 300 security cameras.

You fail to comment on the visual evidence which shows your WTC7 damage photo was faked.

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Nov 24, 2017 14:14:19   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
Claiming the Twin Towers were constructed as weak individual floors which could be crushed one at a time by the very same weight they had held up for over half a century is pure hogwash and you know it. You need another science lesson:
This is not a science lesson per se, it is simple engineering logic.

Individual floors bear their own weight plus whatever live load they are designed to bear, holding up the weight of the building is the job of the vertical support columns.
IOW, the vertical columns held up the individual floors, individually.
IOW, in the twin towers, floor number 10, for example, did not support the weight of floors 11 through 110.
IOW, in the South Tower, for example, when the vertical support failed at the 80th floor, the combined weight of floors 80 through 110 collapsed onto floor number 79. Then, a second or so later, the combined weight of floors 80 through 110 PLUS the weight of what remained of floor 79 collapsed onto floor number 78. And so on all the way down. One floor at a time.

The combined weight of floors 80 through 110 included the weight of 30 office floors plus the live loads each individual floor supported, the weight of all perimeter columns from the 80th to the 110th floor, and the weight of the core support columns from the 80th to the 110th floors, 30 core floors plus the live loads each individual core floor supported.

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Nov 24, 2017 14:15:43   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
Why is it you Zionist shills never give sources for your misinformation?
Where are the Dulles Airport security videos of the hijackers? Dulles had about 300 security cameras.

You fail to comment on the visual evidence which shows your WTC7 damage photo was faked.
You fail to provide evidence that the photo was faked.

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