Randy131 Loc: Florida

I already know that you are not a religious person, just about all liberal and progressive Democrats are not, but all our 'Founding Fathers' prayed and asked GOD for assistance in all their government duties, as George Washington not only led his army and our nation in prayer and thanksgiving to GOD for His divine intervention in their attempt to win freedom from the British and in starting our own country.

What had happened at the 2012 DNC was a first in the history of the USA, so apparently the American people and all our politicians down through our history believed in GOD and asked for His intervention and help, but apparently Obama and the Democrats finally were successful in their promise to change the USA and many of it's people, as proven in those voice votes by the Democratic delegates on the convention floor at the 2012 DNC, something that most Americans are not proud of, and I personally are ashamed of.

Now as I have so kindly asked you before, don't attempt any more conversations with me, as I said I would not with you, because you totally disgust me, as an example of what this once great nation is now turning out in some of it's citizens, and since I am a Christian, am sure I do the same for you. So just STFU when concerning me and my beliefs, and if you have something to say about what I have said, do it anonymously, without any 'Quote Reply' to me, if you have the decency and politeness to do so.

Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa

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Randy you're wasting your time trying to explain anything to bob or others like him.

Democrats, Progressives, Liberals, Communists, Socialist>>>>>they ALL are stupid, untrustworthy, anti American “LIERS”

Randy131 Loc: Florida

I know that, but I like to rub it in their face anyway, because I know that they know that they are really wrong, and are only adhering to their indoctrination from their liberal masters in the Democratic Party, or they may just be completely ignorant idiots.

Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa

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Here is another example of liberal run stupidity

Video Shows Where Puerto Rico's Aid Went (Spoiler: It's In A Dumpster In Puerto Rico)

In light of the outcry from one particularly vocal Democratic mayor in Puerto Rico about relief efforts after Hurricane Maria, a video is quickly making its way across the internet purportedly showing what happened to many of the supplies sent to help the locals who were devastated by the storm.

The video's description reads, "Fully packed meals in Trash Dumpster in Patilla, P.R. and Starvation still in effect in most of the island":


http://www.dailywire.com/news/22431/video-shows-where-puerto-ricos-aid-went-spoiler-chase-stephens?utm_source=dwemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content102117-news&utm_campaign=Actengage

moldyoldy

If you are really an old sailor, then you should not fall for that crap. C- rations or todays MREs would never be packaged that way, that looks like food that was thrown away because there was no refrigeration in the stores.

moldyoldy

The Founding Fathers view of religion in politics...
Despite the Republican right always calling this a "christian nation" and claiming that the country was founded on "christian principles".... here's some real world quotes to put the swift boot of reality in the picture...


“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.” - Thomas Jefferson

"What is it the Bible teaches us? -- rapine, cruelty, and murder. What is it the Testament teaches us? -- to believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married, and the belief of this debauchery is called faith.” - Thomas Paine

"It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet the one is not three, and the three are not one" - Thomas Jefferson (loosely paraphrased, he is saying anyone with any shred of intelligence pretending to believe in god is a liar and a moron lol)

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Ben Franklin

"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst." - Thomas Paine

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." - Thomas Jefferson

"In the affairs of the world, men are saved not by faith, but by the lack of it." - Ben Franklin

"The study of theology, as it stands in the Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authority; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion." - Thomas Paine

"I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it." - Ben Franklin

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." - Thomas Jefferson

"It is the fable of Jesus Christ, as told in the New Testament, and the wild and visionary doctrine raised thereon, against which I contend. The story, taking it as it is told, is blasphemously obscene.” - Thomas Jefferson

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." - Ben Franklin

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." - Thomas Paine

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." - James Madison

"The United States in is no sense founded upon the Christian religion." - George Washington

"This could be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it." - John Adams


I could probably post more than 100 of these.. but the point here is that the founding fathers were never the holier than thou dogmatic drones the ultra right wants to believe, and even worse, wants to convince you they were. In reality? George Washington was a brewer / farmer, John Adams was a lawyer, Sam Adams, Thomas Paine, and many other were smugglers. Ben Franklin? A retired inventor looking to get laid (which is literally why he went to France lol)....

these were men in the right place at the right time, nothing more. There weren't grand people that we should worship (aside from Franklin in my personal view), they were men who stood up in their time, lived their lives, and should be admired for their actions. Lets just stop pretending they were some dogmatic figure that fits your own world view... they probably don't.
Last edited by Imac7065; 03-11-2014 at 01:27 AM.

http://www.sportscardforum.com/threads/2073346-The-Founding-Fathers-view-of-religion-in-politics

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Get ready for the storm of rocks coming your way Moldy!

Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa

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I am curious about something.
Are liberals—like yourself—born that way, did your parents raise you to be that way or are you a liberal just because of a low IQ? I really would like to know.

Democrats, Progressives, Liberals, Communists, Socialist>>>>>they ALL are stupid, untrustworthy, anti American “LIERS”

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Sorry to butt in sailor but where did you get all that silly stuff?

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Moldy, a lot of people prefer to jump to conclusions without having all the information.
It suits their personal agenda.
Unfortunately our current president has set an example, making a lot of people feel emboldened to do the same.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Typical - cast ad hominem attacks rather than address the information in the post.
Most often, I believe, folks do this because they know they cannot refute the facts.


I have never been one to give credence to conspiracy theories, but I am starting to believe that a lot of the posters on OPP are either teenage girls or Russian trolls.

moldyoldy

A little education can go a long way, try it.

Although the vast majority of the 55 members of the Constitutional Convention were affiliated with the major Christian  churches of their day (and would have probably have considered themselves Christian), the number of them that fully accepted the major tenets of the Christian faith is uncertain.  A careful reading of many of the Founders’ public and private communications demonstrates they had the following in common: (1) belief in a personal God, (2) familiarity with the Bible, and (3) belief in prayer.  But acknowledgement of Christ as their personal Savior and acceptance of the other commonly held Christian beliefs is less manifest.
Many secularists today claim that instead of being Christians, the Founders were deists.  But there is even less support for mere deism than there is for Christianity.  Deists believe in the existence of a creator God, but do not believe He intervenes in human affairs.  Contrary to believing in an indifferent Creator, most of the Founders took the position of the Theist—that prayer is important because God intervenes in the affairs of mankind.  Even a casual reading of the writings of Founders such as George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams demonstrates this.

http://greatamericanhistory.net/blog/the-religious-beliefs-of-americas-founding-fathers-christians-or-deists/

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

If the target is near enough, perhaps. I once saw Bill Shatner take a large bear running from right to left behind a dense thicket. The only shot possible was through a mere 4'opening in the thicket as the bear ran by, and it was moving. It dropped about 30' from that opening. What a shot. It was from about 75'--100'. It was long ago on a TV show called a American Sportsman. Hosted by Curt Gowdy. It was an Alaskan brown.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

Environmentalists have been telling state and county authorities for years to cut out underbrush and create fire breaks to prevent exactly what has now happened, but all agencies refused every time.

Regardless of causation the CA mentality is the problem.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

Yes, we know when you die three is nothing more for you.

See ya.