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Oct 20, 2017 10:14:53   #
pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ
 
Bevos wrote:
I think you spelled that wrong. Shouldn't it read " NO SCHOOL"???
That would be the third option, now why didn't I think of that?

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Oct 20, 2017 10:27:59   #
vernon
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Good lord,man! Dividing people is the only thing he seems to be good at.



The only ones dividing are the demorats.They haven't voted for one bill that the republicans have put forth and have held up confirming all appointments.They are just ginners and always will be,we just have to dump them until they wise up and starting representing the USA instead of the party

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Oct 20, 2017 10:40:10   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
vernon wrote:
The only ones dividing are the demorats.They haven't voted for one bill that the republicans have put forth and have held up confirming all appointments.They are just ginners and always will be,we just have to dump them until they wise up and starting representing the USA instead of the party


Damn Vern, those Crats are acting like the Reflubs did with Obama.

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Oct 20, 2017 11:10:44   #
Bevos
 
Bad Bob wrote:
"Start arguments" Oh I'm sorry, I forgot you think this forum was the tRump propaganda site.



I rest my case. I have no more time for you. BYE!!!

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Oct 20, 2017 11:11:53   #
Bevos
 
pappadeux wrote:
That would be the third option, now why didn't I think of that?


Maybe your mind isn't quite as devious as mine. LOL

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Oct 20, 2017 11:25:31   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Bevos wrote:
I rest my case. I have no more time for you. BYE!!!


Guilty as charged!!!!!!

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Oct 20, 2017 18:34:11   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
JW wrote:
Trump is a man with a mission. We can follow him or get out of his way. Anything else and we'll be roadkill.

That won't unite those who refuse to follow with those who choose to follow but it will unite each side within itself.

Personally, I support about 95% of what he is doing.

So, he's a divider then.

Oh, and about that mission... what?!

If anything has been made clear in the last eight months it's that trump NEVER had a mission. Leaders with missions don't pat themselves on the back saying "I like to keep them guessing". The closest thing to a mission fatass ever came close to is his own publicity. His entire career was based on finding suckers to rip off and his presidency is no exception. He found the stupidest people in America and pitched the stupidest promises to them and they gave him the votes.

As much as we make fun of fatass, he's nowhere near as stupid as the people who are still to this very day supporting him. That's just a fact.

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Oct 20, 2017 19:05:36   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
straightUp wrote:
So, he's a divider then.

Oh, and about that mission... what?!

If anything has been made clear in the last eight months it's that trump NEVER had a mission. Leaders with missions don't pat themselves on the back saying "I like to keep them guessing". The closest thing to a mission fatass ever came close to is his own publicity. His entire career was based on finding suckers to rip off and his presidency is no exception. He found the stupidest people in America and pitched the stupidest promises to them and they gave him the votes.

As much as we make fun of fatass, he's nowhere near as stupid as the people who are still to this very day supporting him. That's just a fact.
So, he's a divider then. br br Oh, and about tha... (show quote)



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Oct 21, 2017 01:29:41   #
Cerby1
 
if a nuc lands from NOKO or Iran, or simply A high altitude nuc causing an EMP incident, I won't be able to tell you are a damn fool. Neither can we discuss past policies he is trying to change which you seem to adhere to. Among other things that won't work will be the internet.

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Oct 21, 2017 03:28:45   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
straightUp wrote:
So, he's a divider then.

Oh, and about that mission... what?!

If anything has been made clear in the last eight months it's that trump NEVER had a mission. Leaders with missions don't pat themselves on the back saying "I like to keep them guessing". The closest thing to a mission fatass ever came close to is his own publicity. His entire career was based on finding suckers to rip off and his presidency is no exception. He found the stupidest people in America and pitched the stupidest promises to them and they gave him the votes.

As much as we make fun of fatass, he's nowhere near as stupid as the people who are still to this very day supporting him. That's just a fact.
So, he's a divider then. br br Oh, and about tha... (show quote)


Since I'm being so brash, I may as well be clear ...and of course, objective too. The exception to what I said is the person who feels his best bet is tribalism. You can't defend tribalism in a complex modern society hosting 350 million people without being a bigot. But I do understand, they think it may be their best, maybe even their ONLY bet. They have families just like I do, they have concerns about resources and competition, just like I do.

I do understand tribalism and it's a stopping point for me on the road to hell, if that's where we're going, but I'm hoping we're not there yet. I'm hoping we still have choices. I'd like the folks whom I am calling "stupid" to stop trying to sugarcoat or justify their biases...

Actually... I'd like to retract that statement... I don't KNOW if they are "stupid" people... What I mean to say is that I see them making stupid decisions... that is, again, if they aren't placing their bets on tribalism. If they are the decent conservatives like so many that I know that are not tribal.. they still believe in a unified republic. Those are the ones that I think are making stupid decisions because trump isn't helping the Republic. That fatass is dividing the Republic.

If we really want to drain the swamp, the conservatives and progressives should be joining forces against the third side of the trinity... the 1%... or more precisely, the .001%... or more definitively, the plutocracy that owns our Republic. They're in New York, not Washington DC. and if trump was really the anti-establishment president he says he is, he would be denying the Republic to the plutocracy, not denying the Republic to the people.

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Oct 21, 2017 03:56:18   #
Cerby1
 
which tribe, the left or right, demo or republican? Neither gets a vote or or assistance in bills, support, or any directional planning for our country. I think that nationalism is not tribalism. In trumps UN speech he spoke of each country doing what is best for their country and people, and that this is not incompatiable with world cooperation. I would define tribalism as KKK, the black clad far left, and the far extremes on both sides. They cannot meet at all without conflict. We must start separating emotion from data or what can be agreed are facts or what happened. I don't know if a third party would help the situation. The only thing I can hope for is that we honor our elections, even if the ELECTORAL college which give voice to the smallest of state and cities in fly over country and not only the few large homogenous areas of population. I would honor the election even if trump lost.
Why is the left still fighting when trump will likely get a second term, help the man.

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Oct 21, 2017 11:13:36   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Cerby1 wrote:
which tribe, the left or right, demo or republican? Neither gets a vote or or assistance in bills, support, or any directional planning for our country. I think that nationalism is not tribalism. In trumps UN speech he spoke of each country doing what is best for their country and people, and that this is not incompatiable with world cooperation. I would define tribalism as KKK, the black clad far left, and the far extremes on both sides. They cannot meet at all without conflict. We must start separating emotion from data or what can be agreed are facts or what happened.
which tribe, the left or right, demo or republican... (show quote)

OK, lets separate the data from the emotion...

Merriam-Webster defines tribalism as... "1. tribal consciousness and loyalty; especially :exaltation of the tribe above other groups. 2. strong in-group loyalty."

So, according to the "data" in the dictionary, nationalism may not be as exclusive as a white supremacy groups but as long as nationalism is invigorated by strong feelings of loyalty and exaltation, it *DOES* qualify as a form of tribalism. In fact throughout history, nationalism has always been driven by tribal sentiment. To use the classic 20th century references, the Nazis rode a wave of German nationalism to power, but that nationalism was in turn fed by deeper ethnic exclusions. Tribalism effectively describes the entire phenomenon.

The slippery thing about nationalism is the ease with which it can be justified as a matter of sovereignty while obscuring the true intentions of it's driving force.

Cerby1 wrote:

I don't know if a third party would help the situation. The only thing I can hope for is that we honor our elections, even if the ELECTORAL college which give voice to the smallest of state and cities in fly over country and not only the few large homogenous areas of population. I would honor the election even if trump lost.

The notion that ANY significant group is NOT honoring the 2016 election is pure BS manufactured by right-wing media. The truth is NO one is actually questioning the 2016 election. The process is being challenged, yes but that concern is focused on future elections, not the Trump victory. (You can't change the rules in retrospect. We KNOW that.) So, I'm sorry but this is not the example of "discrediting the victor" that's going to counter-balance the right-wing refusal to accept Obama's victory in 2008.

LOL - I'm ON to this bullshit, so save it for someone else.

Cerby1 wrote:

Why is the left still fighting when trump will likely get a second term,

Don't confuse "possible" with "likely". I've read about the math that makes a second term possible with the same minority vote that he got in 2016. But for that to happen a LOT of Democrats would have to repeat the same mistake they made in 2016 by not voting and that too is possible, but it's also far from likely. Trump has been a wake up call for the majority of American voters, his approval rating has plunged like no other president before him because a lot of people who voted AGAINST Hilary are realizing what a mistake it was to give Trump the White House.

Trump-supporting Republicans are already saying that if the tax bill doesn't pass there's a real chance they could loose the House in the mid-terms and if that happens Trump is as good as impeached in the first half of his only term.

Cerby1 wrote:

help the man.

Help him do what? Help him take health care away from the sick and the old? Help him give the wealthy everything they need to exploit the American people? Help him encourage racism and police brutality? Help him trash our reputation as a world leader? Help him take us into a nuclear war? Or just help him with whatever he feels like surprising us with?

Get real.

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Oct 21, 2017 11:19:44   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
straightUp wrote:
Help him do what? Help him take health care away from the sick and the old? Help him give the wealthy everything they need to exploit the American people? Help him encourage racism and police brutality? Help him trash our reputation as a world leader? Help him take us into a nuclear war? Or just help him with whatever he feels like surprising us with?

Get real.


What was the big change that slick Willie endured after impeachment??

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Oct 21, 2017 11:29:01   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
byronglimish wrote:
What was the big change that slick Willie endured after impeachment??

"slick Willie" wasn't impeached. The House prosecuted... the Senate declined it. You have to have both sides of Congress on the same page to impeach a president.

The Senate declined it because they recognized the childishness of the House prosecution... trying to use a blow job as an excuse to impeach a president. I would think the people who try to marginalize the antics of Mr. Pussy Grabber would understand that. At least with Bill and Monica the affair was consensual, unlike Chester Molester Trump.

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Oct 21, 2017 11:34:24   #
JW
 
straightUp wrote:
"slick Willie" wasn't impeached. The House prosecuted... the Senate declined it. You have to have both sides of Congress on the same page to impeach a president.


Look it up! The House impeaches, the Senate tries. Slick was impeached.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/20/us/impeachment-overview-clinton-impeached-he-faces-senate-trial-2d-history-vows-job.html

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