Cerby1 wrote:
which tribe, the left or right, demo or republican? Neither gets a vote or or assistance in bills, support, or any directional planning for our country. I think that nationalism is not tribalism. In trumps UN speech he spoke of each country doing what is best for their country and people, and that this is not incompatiable with world cooperation. I would define tribalism as KKK, the black clad far left, and the far extremes on both sides. They cannot meet at all without conflict. We must start separating emotion from data or what can be agreed are facts or what happened.
which tribe, the left or right, demo or republican... (
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OK, lets separate the data from the emotion...
Merriam-Webster defines tribalism as...
"1. tribal consciousness and loyalty; especially :exaltation of the tribe above other groups. 2. strong in-group loyalty."So, according to the "data" in the dictionary, nationalism may not be as exclusive as a white supremacy groups but as long as nationalism is invigorated by strong feelings of loyalty and exaltation, it *DOES* qualify as a form of tribalism. In fact throughout history, nationalism has always been driven by tribal sentiment. To use the classic 20th century references, the Nazis rode a wave of German nationalism to power, but that nationalism was in turn fed by deeper ethnic exclusions. Tribalism effectively describes the entire phenomenon.
The slippery thing about nationalism is the ease with which it can be justified as a matter of sovereignty while obscuring the true intentions of it's driving force.
Cerby1 wrote:
I don't know if a third party would help the situation. The only thing I can hope for is that we honor our elections, even if the ELECTORAL college which give voice to the smallest of state and cities in fly over country and not only the few large homogenous areas of population. I would honor the election even if trump lost.
The notion that ANY significant group is NOT honoring the 2016 election is pure BS manufactured by right-wing media. The truth is NO one is actually questioning the 2016 election. The
process is being challenged, yes but that concern is focused on
future elections, not the Trump victory. (You can't change the rules in retrospect. We KNOW that.) So, I'm sorry but this is not the example of "discrediting the victor" that's going to counter-balance the right-wing refusal to accept Obama's victory in 2008.
LOL - I'm ON to this bullshit, so save it for someone else.
Cerby1 wrote:
Why is the left still fighting when trump will likely get a second term,
Don't confuse "possible" with "likely". I've read about the math that makes a second term possible with the same minority vote that he got in 2016. But for that to happen a LOT of Democrats would have to repeat the same mistake they made in 2016 by not voting and that too is possible, but it's also far from likely. Trump has been a wake up call for the majority of American voters, his approval rating has plunged like no other president before him because a lot of people who voted AGAINST Hilary are realizing what a mistake it was to give Trump the White House.
Trump-supporting Republicans are already saying that if the tax bill doesn't pass there's a real chance they could loose the House in the mid-terms and if that happens Trump is as good as impeached in the first half of his only term.
Cerby1 wrote:
help the man.
Help him do what? Help him take health care away from the sick and the old? Help him give the wealthy everything they need to exploit the American people? Help him encourage racism and police brutality? Help him trash our reputation as a world leader? Help him take us into a nuclear war? Or just help him with whatever he feels like surprising us with?
Get real.