whole2th

The alleged "well established relationship" is one of total disagreement about what happened to 3 buildings on 9-11. Payne's position is that the buildings were rigged with explosives.

Calling my efforts "pure bullshit" and expecting people to accept your label as a refutation of the effort I've made to establish Payne's thesis of explosive demolition is wishful thinking, at best, on your part.

Your "rebuttal" consists of labeling ("pure bullshit"). Whose reply is actually bullshit?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

What is all this crap about "massive center cores"? The vertical columns were supporting the floors, the bulk of the collapsing mass was colliding with the FLOORS, you know, those flat, horizontal spaces that supported the offices and bathrooms and elevator machinery where people did their business. IOW, the collapsing mass smashed into the floors, tore them loose from their connections to the support columns and continued on down. It is a simple matter of area that is exposed to the collapsing mass.

The area of each floor in the towers was 43264 square feet, the office space area was 31519 square feet, and the core floor area was 11745 square feet. This is what faced the brunt of the forces in the collapse, not the support columns.

If you measured the horizontal cross section of all the support columns, core and perimeter, and calculated the total area in square feet, it would be minuscule compared to the area of the floors.

Civil engineers at MIT estimated that the force of the collapses exceeded by 30 times the load bearing capacities of the floor connections. The job of the vertical columns was to support the weight of the floors, not to maintain the integrity and strength of the floor truss connections.

whole2th

How do you account for complete destruction of the 47 central core columns which were cross-linked at every floor with massive beams as shown in the images Payne has posted?

The "pancake hypothesis" which your description resembles was rejected by NIST as having a very low probability of having occurred.

You are grasping at straws, Blade_Runner.

Who do you work for?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Careful, systematic observation of the WTC1 and WTC2 core remnants and perimeter motion allow for an understanding of the probable mechanism by which the Twin Towers collapsed. The perimeter seems to have been collectively stripped of flooring through progressive floor failure and fell outward as large, unbuckled, interconnected pieces while most core columns of the building survived the initial collapse.

In the case of WTC1, since the entire northern portion of the core survived unbuckled and the perimeter fell outwards, also unbuckled, it is concluded that the portion of the flooring that holds the perimeter to the core must have been stripped or eroded as debris initially descended to the ground, leaving much of the core standing and the perimeter unsupported.

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WTC1: The entire east-west width of the core

payne1000

You claim I am clueless on the center core when I have built an accurate computer model of the center core and you are able to post only crude drawings which omit the center core entirely.
What an obvious fraud you are . . . a fraud who hides behind anonymity.
Solid steel is stronger than reinforced concrete. The fireproofing on the tower steel made it just as fireproof.

payne1000

You still do not explain how falling floors could take down the massive steel center core.

payne1000

Go to the 6:30 mark on this video's time slider. It shows News anchor Aaron Brown describing what you claim is part of the center core as being part of the side of the tower.
Brown was there to see it as it happened. https://youtu.be/VwjRaadx-QU
The outer wall structure survived better than the massive center core where all the most powerful explosives were detonated.

whole2th

Blade and emarine would have us believe they are using logic.

Their narratives are designed to conceal the obvious: explosive demolition.

The preponderance of evidence supports explosive demolition--and is especially evidence in Building 7 destruction.

9-11 was a zionist-conceived and executed crime. Zionist media continue the cover-up.

This excellent presentation covers the 'ideation' (conception) of 9-11 and notes zionist operatives at every juncture where the crime could be accomplished and covered up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s0A_rutyxo

Two Jews show their dogged determination to reject the evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRQN7YkxrEw Note the pattern of 'thinking' that they employ in their mutterings.

emarine

Your computer model of the "massive" center core is projection of what you think not what is true or real... I have asked you several times now to "learn" how the core was constructed from the blue prints readily available with a little digging... In accordance to the new OPP rules of not insulting others you prove to be either lazy, ignorant , deceptive or all... why do you still project what you do not know?... this is a very black & white issue... how about you educate us "readers" for a change & tell us "readers" what the steel in the core size & tensile strength was @ different heights before you post up obvious lies... this is a simple issue of what is real & what is false... The fact that the core looks like the core & not the outer frame works proves you & your reporter, are clueless of what you speak...

emarine

Blade & I choose to provide simple Newtonian Mechanics following the basic laws of motion exactly as written... you project pure propaganda projecting pure neo Nazi motive... you project insanity & hatred...

Explain me to us "readers" wholie one

payne1000

I'm not going to build every bolt and weld into my computer model, so why do I need blueprints? The dimensions are all I need and I used the dimensions given by reputable sites.
The photos show that my computer model is as accurate as needed to portray a structure which could only be brought down with cutting charges and high explosives.
You have no real rebuttal for the information I post so all you can do is attempt obfuscation.

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Why is outer framework still standing here while the much stronger center core is completely gone?

payne1000

Yours and Blade's interpretation of Newton's laws is completely backwards. You both claim that a falling mass speeds up when it hits a solid mass below. Newton's Third Law states that there would be an equal and opposite reaction from the undamaged lower floors below. This opposite reaction to the falling mass would cause a decrease in momentum rather than an increase.
Judeo-Nazi agenda is what forces you to misrepresent Newton's Laws. Judeo-Nazi agenda is also what forces you to keep your identities hidden.

emarine

You have projected this lie @ least 10 times now... you continue to prove yourself a deceptive liar... If the WTC towers was in fact a "explosive controlled demolition" why is the framework their @ all?... Why isn't it blown up into smaller sections?... in your pathetic argument you clearly show a section off frame leaning on WTC6 that could not fall because its leaning on WTC6 & had nowhere to fall... how deceptive do you want to get buddy?...

emarine

A little over one year go you didn't know the difference between Quantum Mechanics & Newtonian Mechanics & now you're the expert?...It appears that those who don't comprehend choose explosive demolition... it's just easier...

Refute this buddy