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Aug 17, 2017 10:22:28   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
ofnoblemien wrote:
The notion that these statues were put in place to perpetuate White Supremacy is nonsense!


I completely agree Nobel. This is crazy nonsense!

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Aug 17, 2017 11:38:06   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
"Do these left wing zealots have any sense of awareness? Maybe they were too busy studying for their gender studies finals to see the reports of the Taliban destroying ancient Buddhist monuments in territory they had captured."

Here is a really big problem;
America is under siege.
A lot at stake.
How many liberals have a good grasp of what Communism delivers. The masses fell for the Bolshevik BS. The Chinese never knew what hit them. The ruthlessness is beyond most peoples comprehension, largely due to lack if studying it. It sure isn't taught in the government school system. Over 200 Million people starved and slaughtered by those regimes.
It is important to differentiate the different brands/sects of "Jew". The term "Jew" is misused a lot, fraudulently, and confusingly.
Judah is one of the 12 tribes of Israel. A Race (Hebrew)
Judaism is a religion (Torah/Old Testament and Talmudic/Babylonian Rabinism)
Jews are also a nationality (Nation of Israeli)
All categories attempt to claim they are the chosen people. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Many hide behind that claim. Most fundamentalist Christian churches don't teach the differences, and fall for that misrepresentation.
Hence, we have impotent churches, and ignorant Christians, that are not aware of the enemies of God/Yahweh within our nation.
Think about who has been trying to drive God out of public education and the public square?
Atheists? Who do you think these atheists are?
The ACLU and the anti-Defamation League (ADL) for starters.

Behind Communism
Here is a link to the PDF downloadable version
http://jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/Behind%20Communism.pdf



2tap wrote:
Hi all. I came across this earlier while watching a video Martin Brodel on YouTube. I never heard of JIm Quinn before but I can assure Im glad I did. I wish I could write with clasiry and aplomb like he hs shown here. It Pertains to the recent riots in Charlotte NC. I hope you enjoy this as much as I did.

Semper Fi
Mike

Jim Quinn Rages At "Functional Illiterates Trying To Erase History"


Authored by Jim Quinn via The Burning Platform blog,

“True patriotism sometimes requires of men to act exactly contrary, at one period, to that which it does at another, and the motive which impels them the desire to do right is precisely the same.” ? Robert E. Lee

Image result for toppled statue durham nc

I consider myself a student of history. I’ve always been fascinated by the personalities who drove events throughout history. I probably would have been a history major in college if I didn’t feel the need to make enough money to support myself and my family. I chose a business major and decided studying history would be my hobby. Over the years I’ve taken a particular interest in the Civil War. You could even call me a Civil War buff.

I’ve probably read 60 books on the Civil War, from Bruce Catton, Shelby Foote and numerous other historians. I’ve visited the Gettysburg battlefield a half dozen times, as it is only 150 miles from my home. My basement office is decorated with six prints depicting various scenes from the Civil War. One depicts Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson at Fredericksburg, another depicts Jackson leading his troops through Richmond, another depicts Grant taking command of Union forces, another shows Chamberlain leading the charge down Little Round Top, another portrays Lee and Longstreet making the fateful decision to send Pickett’s men on their futile charge into history, and the last showing the slaughter during Pickett’s charge.



I’ve even taken an executive education course in leadership where the final day is a trip to Gettysburg where a park ranger guides you through the three day battle and the professor asks you to assess the leadership shown by officers on both sides during that tide turning battle. My fascination with the Civil War isn’t based on rooting for one side or the other. I wanted to understand the motivations of the main characters and understand why and how they fought that bloody war. There were so many fateful decisions, errors of judgement, acts of courage, acts of cowardice, brilliantly bold maneuvers, and just plain good and bad luck.

Robert E. Lee, before the outbreak of the war, was overwhelmingly regarded as the finest military mind in the U.S. army. Winfield Scott offered him command of all Union forces at the outbreak of hostilities. But he chose allegiance to his state of Virginia, rather than the Federal government. He didn’t fight for slavery. He freed his slaves. He was fighting for states’ rights. He was an honorable God fearing noble man. Stonewall Jackson was an extremely religious man who waged war with a passion, but also taught Sunday School to slaves. Lee and Jackson must be viewed in the context of the 19th century rather than being judged by the standards of the 21st century.

The vast majority of Confederate soldiers who did the fighting and dying during that war didn’t own slaves. They weren’t fighting to maintain slavery. They were fighting because a foreign army had invaded their land. In 1860 this nation was more an amalgamation of states than a centralized government. States still had a tremendous amount of power and leeway to run their states the way they chose. The ever increasing power of a central authority occurred during and after the Civil War. The South were not the bad guys. Their leaders, generals and soldiers were not evil. They were Americans.

The revisionist history now being peddled by the left wing media and their non-thinking acolytes lacks a factual basis, historical context and a true understanding of history. The Civil War was the climax of decades of tension between the North and the South over states’ rights, economic policies, slavery, and a myriad of other complex issues. Examined within the context of generational theory, it was a Fourth Turning that was unavoidable. It was a crucial important event in U.S. history. It wasn’t the shameful episode portrayed by the brain dead faux journalists babbling on CNN and MSNBC.

Illegally pulling down statues of Confederate soldiers and taking videos of “brave” unemployed liberal arts major social justice warriors kicking the Confederate soldier is what passes for activism in today’s warped society. Liberal mayors and city councils across the south are falling all over themselves wasting time and taxpayer money to remove statues of Confederate generals to appease the left and make a display of how anti-racist they can be. Meanwhile, their cities are bankrupt, their infrastructure is decaying, black crime is rampant and their education systems matriculate functionally illiterate deranged snowflakes into society.

Image result for toppled statue durham ncImage result for toppled statue durham nc

These courageous left wing politicians, like the mayor of New Orleans, have statues removed in the middle of the night to avoid protests by those who understand you cannot erase history by removing statues and names. In a hysterical development, Baltimore Mayor Catherine Pugh on Monday said in a statement she intended to move forward in removing several city statutes, including those of Lee and Stonewall Jackson. I suppose the soaring murder rate, blacks rioting and burning down neighborhoods, crumbling infrastructure, failing schools, and white flight is due to a few Confederate statues. It’s good to see this diverse mayor has her priorities in order.

The ignorance and disregard for history knows no bounds for generations taught to feel rather think in our government run indoctrination centers known as public schools. The left wing media reinforces their ignorance with misinformation, fake news and government sanctioned propaganda. Snowflakes across the land melt at anything they are instructed to find offensive. Everything and everyone who doesn’t agree with their half baked views are declared racists.

Pointing out that leftist antifa thugs, without permits to protest, initiated the violence in Charlottesville is racist. The uproar against Trump’s truthful assessment of the situation by CNN, MSNBC and Fox proves there isn’t a wit of difference among these corporate media outlets. True colors are revealed. The ongoing coup attempt against Trump continues unabated.

Trump’s impromptu press conference and his push back of this false narrative was a thing of beauty. The hypocrisy of the left and their utter contempt for facts must be thrown back in their faces at every opportunity. Across the country, 718 Confederate monuments and statues remain, with nearly 300 of them in Georgia, Virginia or North Carolina. There are also 109 public schools named for Robert E. Lee, Confederate President Jefferson Davis or other icons of the Civil War-era South. Will the left be satisfied when all 718 monuments are destroyed and all 109 schools are renamed Oprah Winfrey Middle School? No. They will find something else to be offended about, and violently attack again.

The funniest part about watching these social justice warriors wail and gnash their teeth about the racism of these monuments is knowing these unemployed functional illiterates couldn’t tell you when the Civil War occurred, name two major battles, name five generals, provide a death count within 250,000, or fill in the blank in the phrase Surrender at __________. They don’t know jack shit about history, the Civil War, Lincoln’s true feelings about blacks, or the fact the Democratic Party is the party which suppressed blacks for one hundred years following the Civil War. Only truly ignorant snowflakes think they can erase history by protesting it and trying to destroy monuments to those who fought and died for a cause they believed in.

Do these left wing zealots have any sense of awareness? Maybe they were too busy studying for their gender studies finals to see the reports of the Taliban destroying ancient Buddhist monuments in territory they had captured. Zealots, terrorists, and extremists attempt to destroy symbols that offend them as a way to prove their strength and power. In reality, they destroy what others have built in a feckless effort to boost their self-esteem. Intellectual lightweights attempt to bring others down because they realize their lack of intelligence and inability to get ahead in life has to be blamed on someone else.

Image result for taliban blowing up buddhist statues

If these social justice warrior weaklings were transported back in time 154 years to the Gettysburg battlefield where real men displayed real courage and bravery, they would be covered in their own urine cowering behind a tree as Pickett’s charge commenced. Could you imagine any of the Soros paid professional antifa protestors charging across an open field towards certain death? Those pussies would be high tailing it south as fast as their fashion designer sneakers would take them.


Trump was absolutely correct in asking, “Where does it end?” Washington owned slaves. Do we get rid of all dollar bills and quarters? Do we change the name of our capital? Do we change the name of Washington & Lee University to Obama & Spike Lee University? Do we blow up the Washington Memorial? Jefferson owned slaves. Do we get rid of nickles? How about the Jefferson Memorial?

Why stop only in our country? The Egyptian pyramids were built by slaves. Should we tear those down? If these are symbols of hatred and racism that must be destroyed, why do we never hear calls from the left for the destruction of the Nazi death camps. Talk about symbols of hate. Why would we want to remember the holocaust? It couldn’t be that it doesn’t fit the left’s narrative.

This Confederate monument narrative is designed by the left to provoke a backlash from whites who are tired of being scorned, ridiculed, belittled and called racists, rednecks and deplorables by so called open minded progressives. It’s working. The cold race war is beginning to turn hot. The president has no intention of trying to bring the two sides together because it’s impossible at this point. That’s how Fourth Turnings roll. The mood of the country will continue to darken. Reactions to these types of events will intensify. More blood will be shed. It’s too bad these functional illiterates didn’t pay attention in history class or ever read a book. They are going to learn some harsh lessons over the next decade.



“We’re doomed to repeat the past no matter what. That’s what it is to be alive. It’s pretty dense kids who haven’t figured that out by the time they’re ten.” ? Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
Hi all. I came across this earlier while watching... (show quote)

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Aug 17, 2017 11:39:04   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
The OP reeks of the "Lost Cause" rendition of the Civil War. It's so full of BS and I'm ashamed of all of you who agree with its historically proven bias.

You can deny that slavery wasn't the driving factor of the Civil War all you want, but anynargument you can prodipuce can easily be shown to have its origin in slavery.

States' Rights: the desire of the slave-holding ststes to be able to take their slaves into the new territories.

Economy: the South's economy was based on slaves while the North's was based on paid labor.

Slavery: this should be obvious. The South wanted slavery to continue while the North was, at its worst, ambivalent about it.

Strong central Federal government vs. a weak Federal government: if you have read history as you claim, you'd know that the weak Federal government approach was tried and failed. It was under the Articles of Confederation that a weak Federal governemt was tried and it proved a total failure. Each state was making its own currency, had its own weights and measures, charged tolls to enter from one state into another, disrespected one another's laws, and, generally, thought of themselves as several free and independent countries.

No matter what your arguement/claim is regarding what caused the Civil War, slavery was always front and center as its basis.

As to taking pride in ones "heritage," that's all well and good. But, if ones heritage included an armed insurrection against the government; a heritage that resulted in the loss of about 850,000 people, the decimation of an entire generation, all over something you, now, claim you distain, then, I'd say that's not something to be very proud of. While you may claim to not be racist, your heritage says volumes to the contrary.

As to the "Confederates" protecting their "country from an invading army," that's total BS! "The Confederste States of America" existed in name, only. NO other country in the world recognized the CSA as a free, self-governing and independent country.

As to an "invading army," the "Rebels" were the "invading army." The armies that were formed by the insurrectionists, under the pretext of forming their own country, were the armies who were the "invaders." They invaded Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Pennsylvania, causing death and destruction in their wakes. That the Union armies "invaded" a foreign country is ridiculous! The Union armies went into States who were in rebellion against the legitimate government of the United States and went in said states to put down the rebellion/insurrection. Again, the "Confederate States of America" NEVER existed as a free and independent country. It was the dream (nightmare, actually) of a bunch of rich, plantation owners, who wanted to be able to ignore the laws they felt prevented them from becoming more rich, that never became a reality.

So, for some of you history revisionists to whine and cry about the removal of statues to the leaders of a rebellion, I say, "Get over it! Those statues should've never been erected to begin with."

No matter how much you try to re-write history, you'll never be able to justify the reasons you propose for having fought our Civil War. Read about. Study it. Research the military stragety and tactics. But, don't try to justify the Southern reasonings that the Civil War was a legitimate cause.

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Aug 17, 2017 11:48:14   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Lets get down to the present siege going on in America.
A lot at stake.
How many liberals have a good grasp of what Communism delivers. The masses fell for the Bolshevik BS. The Chinese never knew what hit them. The ruthlessness is beyond most peoples comprehension, largely due to lack if studying it. It sure isn't taught in the government school system. Over 200 Million people starved and slaughtered by those regimes.
It is important to differentiate the different brands/sects of "Jew". The term "Jew" is misused a lot, fraudulently, and confusingly.
Judah is one of the 12 tribes of Israel. A Race (Hebrew)
Judaism is a religion (Torah/Old Testament and Talmudic/Babylonian Rabinism)
Jews are also a nationality (Nation of Israeli)
All categories attempt to claim they are the chosen people. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Many hide behind that claim. Most fundamentalist Christian churches don't teach the differences, and fall for that misrepresentation.
Hence, we have impotent churches, and ignorant Christians, that are not aware of the enemies of God/Yahweh within our nation.
Think about who has been trying to drive God out of public education and the public square?
Atheists? Who do you think these atheists are?
The ACLU and the anti-Defamation League (ADL) for starters.

Behind Communism
Here is a link to the PDF downloadable version
http://jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/Behind%20Communism.pdf


alabuck wrote:
The OP reeks of the "Lost Cause" rendition of the Civil War. It's so full of BS and I'm ashamed of all of you who agree with its historically proven bias.

You can deny that slavery wasn't the driving factor of the Civil War all you want, but anynargument you can prodipuce can easily be shown to have its origin in slavery.

States' Rights: the desire of the slave-holding ststes to be able to take their slaves into the new territories.

Economy: the South's economy was based on slaves while the North's was based on paid labor.

Slavery: this should be obvious. The South wanted slavery to continue while the North was, at its worst, ambivalent about it.

Strong central Federal government vs. a weak Federal government: if you have read history as you claim, you'd know that the weak Federal government approach was tried and failed. It was under the Articles of Confederation that a weak Federal governemt was tried and it proved a total failure. Each state was making its own currency, had its own weights and measures, charged tolls to enter from one state into another, disrespected one another's laws, and, generally, thought of themselves as several free and independent countries.

No matter what your arguement/claim is regarding what caused the Civil War, slavery was always front and center as its basis.

As to taking pride in ones "heritage," that's all well and good. But, if ones heritage included an armed insurrection against the government; a heritage that resulted in the loss of about 850,000 people, the decimation of an entire generation, all over something you, now, claim you distain, then, I'd say that's not something to be very proud of. While you may claim to not be racist, your heritage says volumes to the contrary.

As to the "Confederates" protecting their "country from an invading army," that's total BS! "The Confederste States of America" existed in name, only. NO other country in the world recognized the CSA as a free, self-governing and independent country.

As to an "invading army," the "Rebels" were the "invading army." The armies that were formed by the insurrectionists, under the pretext of forming their own country, were the armies who were the "invaders." They invaded Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Pennsylvania, causing death and destruction in their wakes. That the Union armies "invaded" a foreign country is ridiculous! The Union armies went into States who were in rebellion against the legitimate government of the United States and went in said states to put down the rebellion/insurrection. Again, the "Confederate States of America" NEVER existed as a free and independent country. It was the dream (nightmare, actually) of a bunch of rich, plantation owners, who wanted to be able to ignore the laws they felt prevented them from becoming more rich, that never became a reality.

So, for some of you history revisionists to whine and cry about the removal of statues to the leaders of a rebellion, I say, "Get over it! Those statues should've never been erected to begin with."

No matter how much you try to re-write history, you'll never be able to justify the reasons you propose for having fought our Civil War. Read about. Study it. Research the military stragety and tactics. But, don't try to justify the Southern reasonings that the Civil War was a legitimate cause.
The OP reeks of the "Lost Cause" renditi... (show quote)

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Aug 17, 2017 11:48:20   #
vrider
 
There was a conservative radio show in Pittsburgh called Quinn and Rose in the morning. Sounds like the same Jim Quinn. He was great. Around the time conservative radio got banished to AM, the station canceled the long running popular show citing contract issues. Yeah sure. He does a morning Internet show at war room.com. I believe that you have to join to get it. Just another silencing of conservative views.

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Aug 17, 2017 12:43:29   #
KiraSeer2016
 
2tap wrote:
Hi all. I came across this earlier while watching a video Martin Brodel on YouTube. I never heard of JIm Quinn before but I can assure Im glad I did. I wish I could write with clasiry and aplomb like he hs shown here. It Pertains to the recent riots in Charlotte NC. I hope you enjoy this as much as I did.

Semper Fi
Mike

Jim Quinn Rages At "Functional Illiterates Trying To Erase History"


Authored by Jim Quinn via The Burning Platform blog,

“True patriotism sometimes requires of men to act exactly contrary, at one period, to that which it does at another, and the motive which impels them the desire to do right is precisely the same.” ? Robert E. Lee

Image result for toppled statue durham nc

I consider myself a student of history. I’ve always been fascinated by the personalities who drove events throughout history. I probably would have been a history major in college if I didn’t feel the need to make enough money to support myself and my family. I chose a business major and decided studying history would be my hobby. Over the years I’ve taken a particular interest in the Civil War. You could even call me a Civil War buff.

I’ve probably read 60 books on the Civil War, from Bruce Catton, Shelby Foote and numerous other historians. I’ve visited the Gettysburg battlefield a half dozen times, as it is only 150 miles from my home. My basement office is decorated with six prints depicting various scenes from the Civil War. One depicts Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson at Fredericksburg, another depicts Jackson leading his troops through Richmond, another depicts Grant taking command of Union forces, another shows Chamberlain leading the charge down Little Round Top, another portrays Lee and Longstreet making the fateful decision to send Pickett’s men on their futile charge into history, and the last showing the slaughter during Pickett’s charge.



I’ve even taken an executive education course in leadership where the final day is a trip to Gettysburg where a park ranger guides you through the three day battle and the professor asks you to assess the leadership shown by officers on both sides during that tide turning battle. My fascination with the Civil War isn’t based on rooting for one side or the other. I wanted to understand the motivations of the main characters and understand why and how they fought that bloody war. There were so many fateful decisions, errors of judgement, acts of courage, acts of cowardice, brilliantly bold maneuvers, and just plain good and bad luck.

Robert E. Lee, before the outbreak of the war, was overwhelmingly regarded as the finest military mind in the U.S. army. Winfield Scott offered him command of all Union forces at the outbreak of hostilities. But he chose allegiance to his state of Virginia, rather than the Federal government. He didn’t fight for slavery. He freed his slaves. He was fighting for states’ rights. He was an honorable God fearing noble man. Stonewall Jackson was an extremely religious man who waged war with a passion, but also taught Sunday School to slaves. Lee and Jackson must be viewed in the context of the 19th century rather than being judged by the standards of the 21st century.

The vast majority of Confederate soldiers who did the fighting and dying during that war didn’t own slaves. They weren’t fighting to maintain slavery. They were fighting because a foreign army had invaded their land. In 1860 this nation was more an amalgamation of states than a centralized government. States still had a tremendous amount of power and leeway to run their states the way they chose. The ever increasing power of a central authority occurred during and after the Civil War. The South were not the bad guys. Their leaders, generals and soldiers were not evil. They were Americans.

The revisionist history now being peddled by the left wing media and their non-thinking acolytes lacks a factual basis, historical context and a true understanding of history. The Civil War was the climax of decades of tension between the North and the South over states’ rights, economic policies, slavery, and a myriad of other complex issues. Examined within the context of generational theory, it was a Fourth Turning that was unavoidable. It was a crucial important event in U.S. history. It wasn’t the shameful episode portrayed by the brain dead faux journalists babbling on CNN and MSNBC.

Illegally pulling down statues of Confederate soldiers and taking videos of “brave” unemployed liberal arts major social justice warriors kicking the Confederate soldier is what passes for activism in today’s warped society. Liberal mayors and city councils across the south are falling all over themselves wasting time and taxpayer money to remove statues of Confederate generals to appease the left and make a display of how anti-racist they can be. Meanwhile, their cities are bankrupt, their infrastructure is decaying, black crime is rampant and their education systems matriculate functionally illiterate deranged snowflakes into society.

Image result for toppled statue durham ncImage result for toppled statue durham nc

These courageous left wing politicians, like the mayor of New Orleans, have statues removed in the middle of the night to avoid protests by those who understand you cannot erase history by removing statues and names. In a hysterical development, Baltimore Mayor Catherine Pugh on Monday said in a statement she intended to move forward in removing several city statutes, including those of Lee and Stonewall Jackson. I suppose the soaring murder rate, blacks rioting and burning down neighborhoods, crumbling infrastructure, failing schools, and white flight is due to a few Confederate statues. It’s good to see this diverse mayor has her priorities in order.

The ignorance and disregard for history knows no bounds for generations taught to feel rather think in our government run indoctrination centers known as public schools. The left wing media reinforces their ignorance with misinformation, fake news and government sanctioned propaganda. Snowflakes across the land melt at anything they are instructed to find offensive. Everything and everyone who doesn’t agree with their half baked views are declared racists.

Pointing out that leftist antifa thugs, without permits to protest, initiated the violence in Charlottesville is racist. The uproar against Trump’s truthful assessment of the situation by CNN, MSNBC and Fox proves there isn’t a wit of difference among these corporate media outlets. True colors are revealed. The ongoing coup attempt against Trump continues unabated.

Trump’s impromptu press conference and his push back of this false narrative was a thing of beauty. The hypocrisy of the left and their utter contempt for facts must be thrown back in their faces at every opportunity. Across the country, 718 Confederate monuments and statues remain, with nearly 300 of them in Georgia, Virginia or North Carolina. There are also 109 public schools named for Robert E. Lee, Confederate President Jefferson Davis or other icons of the Civil War-era South. Will the left be satisfied when all 718 monuments are destroyed and all 109 schools are renamed Oprah Winfrey Middle School? No. They will find something else to be offended about, and violently attack again.

The funniest part about watching these social justice warriors wail and gnash their teeth about the racism of these monuments is knowing these unemployed functional illiterates couldn’t tell you when the Civil War occurred, name two major battles, name five generals, provide a death count within 250,000, or fill in the blank in the phrase Surrender at __________. They don’t know jack shit about history, the Civil War, Lincoln’s true feelings about blacks, or the fact the Democratic Party is the party which suppressed blacks for one hundred years following the Civil War. Only truly ignorant snowflakes think they can erase history by protesting it and trying to destroy monuments to those who fought and died for a cause they believed in.

Do these left wing zealots have any sense of awareness? Maybe they were too busy studying for their gender studies finals to see the reports of the Taliban destroying ancient Buddhist monuments in territory they had captured. Zealots, terrorists, and extremists attempt to destroy symbols that offend them as a way to prove their strength and power. In reality, they destroy what others have built in a feckless effort to boost their self-esteem. Intellectual lightweights attempt to bring others down because they realize their lack of intelligence and inability to get ahead in life has to be blamed on someone else.

Image result for taliban blowing up buddhist statues

If these social justice warrior weaklings were transported back in time 154 years to the Gettysburg battlefield where real men displayed real courage and bravery, they would be covered in their own urine cowering behind a tree as Pickett’s charge commenced. Could you imagine any of the Soros paid professional antifa protestors charging across an open field towards certain death? Those pussies would be high tailing it south as fast as their fashion designer sneakers would take them.


Trump was absolutely correct in asking, “Where does it end?” Washington owned slaves. Do we get rid of all dollar bills and quarters? Do we change the name of our capital? Do we change the name of Washington & Lee University to Obama & Spike Lee University? Do we blow up the Washington Memorial? Jefferson owned slaves. Do we get rid of nickles? How about the Jefferson Memorial?

Why stop only in our country? The Egyptian pyramids were built by slaves. Should we tear those down? If these are symbols of hatred and racism that must be destroyed, why do we never hear calls from the left for the destruction of the Nazi death camps. Talk about symbols of hate. Why would we want to remember the holocaust? It couldn’t be that it doesn’t fit the left’s narrative.

This Confederate monument narrative is designed by the left to provoke a backlash from whites who are tired of being scorned, ridiculed, belittled and called racists, rednecks and deplorables by so called open minded progressives. It’s working. The cold race war is beginning to turn hot. The president has no intention of trying to bring the two sides together because it’s impossible at this point. That’s how Fourth Turnings roll. The mood of the country will continue to darken. Reactions to these types of events will intensify. More blood will be shed. It’s too bad these functional illiterates didn’t pay attention in history class or ever read a book. They are going to learn some harsh lessons over the next decade.



“We’re doomed to repeat the past no matter what. That’s what it is to be alive. It’s pretty dense kids who haven’t figured that out by the time they’re ten.” ? Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
Hi all. I came across this earlier while watching... (show quote)


Thought I'd share this link with you as well:

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/robert-e-lee-surrenders

" On April 9, Lee sent a message to Grant announcing his willingness to surrender. The two generals met in the parlor of the Wilmer McLean home at one o’clock in the afternoon."

"Officers would keep their side arms, and Lee’s starving men would be given Union rations.
Shushing a band that had begun to play in celebration, General Grant told his officers, “The war is over. The Rebels are our countrymen again.” Although scattered resistance continued for several weeks, for all practical purposes the Civil War had come to an end."

Are we to forget that as well?

I have even heard so-called "intellectual" people say that Reconstruction was a good thing. If Reconstruction is white-washed, its lessons will not be learned, and the U.S. is doomed to repeat it. And its aftermath, the KKK.

As will happen shortly.

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Aug 17, 2017 13:04:34   #
Carol Kelly
 
ofnoblemien wrote:
The notion that these statues were put in place to perpetuate White Supremacy is nonsense!


Certainly! Even the radicals know that, but it doesn't fit their schemes to admit it.

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Aug 17, 2017 13:20:41   #
KiraSeer2016
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Certainly! Even the radicals know that, but it doesn't fit their schemes to admit it.


Thought you would be interested in a dialogue I'm having with a poster on RT: (I believe he is a black American):

KiraSeer
Can't even fight for your freedom, can you? Don't bring your weak matriarchalism to America, snowflake.

PlanetKiller
I don't need to fight for my freedom.

The South lost the Civil War. Slavery is illegal, buddy.

Oh, maybe you don't know because you haven't read it on a statue yet.

KiraSeerLeader
Then why tear down monuments? Even to a General who lost a war? Are you emotionally impaired, buddy? Or just mentally deficient?


PlanetKiller
Why tear down a statue honoring someone who lost a war while fighting for an unjust cause?

Why is there a statue in the first place? It's ridiculous. It should never have existed in the first place. We'll correct that for you.


KiraSeerLeader
Before or after we send you back to where you came from? To live amongst the savages. After we take back our electricity.

______________________________________________________________
Here's the end:

PlanetKiller
Why tear down a statue honoring someone who lost a war while fighting for an unjust cause?

Why is there a statue in the first place? It's ridiculous. It should never have existed in the first place. We'll correct that for you.

KiraSeerLeader
For people like you who cannot remember history. And if you listen to people like Al Sharpton, you actually think your "kind" built pyramids, and enlightened Europeans following the dark ages.

KiraSeerLeader
Before or after we send you back to where you came from? To live amongst the savages. After we take back our electricity.

PlanetKiller
Ha ha ha

Keep on being a racist idiot. The rest of the world will just keep laughing at you :)

KiraSeerLeader
That's it? That's the only come back you have? I was waiting for the obscenities.

HAVE I NOT TOLD THE WORLD I AM PISSED?

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Aug 17, 2017 14:19:22   #
KiraSeer2016
 
Here's what it comes down to: THE DEFEATED DIED, TOO. AND MISERABLY, AS WELL!!

Where's their monument?

And the black American children? (Because all black Americans are infants!!) What are they going to get out of this? What?

WHEN WILL YOU EVER LEARN?

Sometimes I just want to vomit the human (?) species out of my mouth!!!

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Aug 17, 2017 17:45:57   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
2tap wrote:
Hi all. I came across this earlier while watching a video Martin Brodel on YouTube. I never heard of JIm Quinn before but I can assure Im glad I did. I wish I could write with clasiry and aplomb like he hs shown here. It Pertains to the recent riots in Charlotte NC. I hope you enjoy this as much as I did.

Semper Fi
Mike

Jim Quinn Rages At "Functional Illiterates Trying To Erase History"


Authored by Jim Quinn via The Burning Platform blog,

“True patriotism sometimes requires of men to act exactly contrary, at one period, to that which it does at another, and the motive which impels them the desire to do right is precisely the same.” ? Robert E. Lee

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I consider myself a student of history. I’ve always been fascinated by the personalities who drove events throughout history. I probably would have been a history major in college if I didn’t feel the need to make enough money to support myself and my family. I chose a business major and decided studying history would be my hobby. Over the years I’ve taken a particular interest in the Civil War. You could even call me a Civil War buff.

I’ve probably read 60 books on the Civil War, from Bruce Catton, Shelby Foote and numerous other historians. I’ve visited the Gettysburg battlefield a half dozen times, as it is only 150 miles from my home. My basement office is decorated with six prints depicting various scenes from the Civil War. One depicts Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson at Fredericksburg, another depicts Jackson leading his troops through Richmond, another depicts Grant taking command of Union forces, another shows Chamberlain leading the charge down Little Round Top, another portrays Lee and Longstreet making the fateful decision to send Pickett’s men on their futile charge into history, and the last showing the slaughter during Pickett’s charge.



I’ve even taken an executive education course in leadership where the final day is a trip to Gettysburg where a park ranger guides you through the three day battle and the professor asks you to assess the leadership shown by officers on both sides during that tide turning battle. My fascination with the Civil War isn’t based on rooting for one side or the other. I wanted to understand the motivations of the main characters and understand why and how they fought that bloody war. There were so many fateful decisions, errors of judgement, acts of courage, acts of cowardice, brilliantly bold maneuvers, and just plain good and bad luck.

Robert E. Lee, before the outbreak of the war, was overwhelmingly regarded as the finest military mind in the U.S. army. Winfield Scott offered him command of all Union forces at the outbreak of hostilities. But he chose allegiance to his state of Virginia, rather than the Federal government. He didn’t fight for slavery. He freed his slaves. He was fighting for states’ rights. He was an honorable God fearing noble man. Stonewall Jackson was an extremely religious man who waged war with a passion, but also taught Sunday School to slaves. Lee and Jackson must be viewed in the context of the 19th century rather than being judged by the standards of the 21st century.

The vast majority of Confederate soldiers who did the fighting and dying during that war didn’t own slaves. They weren’t fighting to maintain slavery. They were fighting because a foreign army had invaded their land. In 1860 this nation was more an amalgamation of states than a centralized government. States still had a tremendous amount of power and leeway to run their states the way they chose. The ever increasing power of a central authority occurred during and after the Civil War. The South were not the bad guys. Their leaders, generals and soldiers were not evil. They were Americans.

The revisionist history now being peddled by the left wing media and their non-thinking acolytes lacks a factual basis, historical context and a true understanding of history. The Civil War was the climax of decades of tension between the North and the South over states’ rights, economic policies, slavery, and a myriad of other complex issues. Examined within the context of generational theory, it was a Fourth Turning that was unavoidable. It was a crucial important event in U.S. history. It wasn’t the shameful episode portrayed by the brain dead faux journalists babbling on CNN and MSNBC.

Illegally pulling down statues of Confederate soldiers and taking videos of “brave” unemployed liberal arts major social justice warriors kicking the Confederate soldier is what passes for activism in today’s warped society. Liberal mayors and city councils across the south are falling all over themselves wasting time and taxpayer money to remove statues of Confederate generals to appease the left and make a display of how anti-racist they can be. Meanwhile, their cities are bankrupt, their infrastructure is decaying, black crime is rampant and their education systems matriculate functionally illiterate deranged snowflakes into society.

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These courageous left wing politicians, like the mayor of New Orleans, have statues removed in the middle of the night to avoid protests by those who understand you cannot erase history by removing statues and names. In a hysterical development, Baltimore Mayor Catherine Pugh on Monday said in a statement she intended to move forward in removing several city statutes, including those of Lee and Stonewall Jackson. I suppose the soaring murder rate, blacks rioting and burning down neighborhoods, crumbling infrastructure, failing schools, and white flight is due to a few Confederate statues. It’s good to see this diverse mayor has her priorities in order.

The ignorance and disregard for history knows no bounds for generations taught to feel rather think in our government run indoctrination centers known as public schools. The left wing media reinforces their ignorance with misinformation, fake news and government sanctioned propaganda. Snowflakes across the land melt at anything they are instructed to find offensive. Everything and everyone who doesn’t agree with their half baked views are declared racists.

Pointing out that leftist antifa thugs, without permits to protest, initiated the violence in Charlottesville is racist. The uproar against Trump’s truthful assessment of the situation by CNN, MSNBC and Fox proves there isn’t a wit of difference among these corporate media outlets. True colors are revealed. The ongoing coup attempt against Trump continues unabated.

Trump’s impromptu press conference and his push back of this false narrative was a thing of beauty. The hypocrisy of the left and their utter contempt for facts must be thrown back in their faces at every opportunity. Across the country, 718 Confederate monuments and statues remain, with nearly 300 of them in Georgia, Virginia or North Carolina. There are also 109 public schools named for Robert E. Lee, Confederate President Jefferson Davis or other icons of the Civil War-era South. Will the left be satisfied when all 718 monuments are destroyed and all 109 schools are renamed Oprah Winfrey Middle School? No. They will find something else to be offended about, and violently attack again.

The funniest part about watching these social justice warriors wail and gnash their teeth about the racism of these monuments is knowing these unemployed functional illiterates couldn’t tell you when the Civil War occurred, name two major battles, name five generals, provide a death count within 250,000, or fill in the blank in the phrase Surrender at __________. They don’t know jack shit about history, the Civil War, Lincoln’s true feelings about blacks, or the fact the Democratic Party is the party which suppressed blacks for one hundred years following the Civil War. Only truly ignorant snowflakes think they can erase history by protesting it and trying to destroy monuments to those who fought and died for a cause they believed in.

Do these left wing zealots have any sense of awareness? Maybe they were too busy studying for their gender studies finals to see the reports of the Taliban destroying ancient Buddhist monuments in territory they had captured. Zealots, terrorists, and extremists attempt to destroy symbols that offend them as a way to prove their strength and power. In reality, they destroy what others have built in a feckless effort to boost their self-esteem. Intellectual lightweights attempt to bring others down because they realize their lack of intelligence and inability to get ahead in life has to be blamed on someone else.

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If these social justice warrior weaklings were transported back in time 154 years to the Gettysburg battlefield where real men displayed real courage and bravery, they would be covered in their own urine cowering behind a tree as Pickett’s charge commenced. Could you imagine any of the Soros paid professional antifa protestors charging across an open field towards certain death? Those pussies would be high tailing it south as fast as their fashion designer sneakers would take them.


Trump was absolutely correct in asking, “Where does it end?” Washington owned slaves. Do we get rid of all dollar bills and quarters? Do we change the name of our capital? Do we change the name of Washington & Lee University to Obama & Spike Lee University? Do we blow up the Washington Memorial? Jefferson owned slaves. Do we get rid of nickles? How about the Jefferson Memorial?

Why stop only in our country? The Egyptian pyramids were built by slaves. Should we tear those down? If these are symbols of hatred and racism that must be destroyed, why do we never hear calls from the left for the destruction of the Nazi death camps. Talk about symbols of hate. Why would we want to remember the holocaust? It couldn’t be that it doesn’t fit the left’s narrative.

This Confederate monument narrative is designed by the left to provoke a backlash from whites who are tired of being scorned, ridiculed, belittled and called racists, rednecks and deplorables by so called open minded progressives. It’s working. The cold race war is beginning to turn hot. The president has no intention of trying to bring the two sides together because it’s impossible at this point. That’s how Fourth Turnings roll. The mood of the country will continue to darken. Reactions to these types of events will intensify. More blood will be shed. It’s too bad these functional illiterates didn’t pay attention in history class or ever read a book. They are going to learn some harsh lessons over the next decade.



“We’re doomed to repeat the past no matter what. That’s what it is to be alive. It’s pretty dense kids who haven’t figured that out by the time they’re ten.” ? Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
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I agree with most of what Quinn is saying about the history of the Civil War. I've always believed the conflict was more about economic and territorial competition between states than slavery. I think the issue of slavery was just the attention getter (probably more now than it was then). This is pretty common stuff, just like religion is often used for political ambitions that need popular support like what we see in the Middle East today.

Of course the "functional illiterates" on all sides pick and choose which fallacies they want to believe, usually choosing the perspective most damaging to their political opponents. So for conservatives, the jihad is all about Islam and for liberals the Civil War was all about slavery. It's basically the same thing... a dismissal of the real issues leading to conflict for the purpose of swaying public opinions in one political direction or another.

Setting the slavery hype aside, I am far more aligned with the stance taken by the South, but then again, I *am* a Jeffersonian anti-Federalist at heart. Some of you know me as an advocate of secession (at least for California). A lot of liberals (especially those with a Libertarian spin) agree with me and it's too bad they can't see the parallel's with what the South was going through when THEY wanted to secede. I think it's a shame that the historical significance of the CSA is being buried in political misinformation because we have reached the point where the federal government has centralized too much power and it would be a great benefit to people if they could draw references and lessons from the Confederacy.

As for the misconceptions about the Civil War being all about slavery, I have to say that although it suits the anti-right narrative on the left, the blame really goes to racists on the right for being belligerent racists AND adopting the Confederacy as their icon. The Confederacy might not have been about racism in 1860, but the "alt-right" is MAKING it about racism today and THAT is what the angry left is responding to.

I guess that's the part that self-proclaimed expert Jim Quinn can't figure out... or is preferring not to because THAT would validate the left and he sure as shit doesn't want that! ;)

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Aug 17, 2017 19:41:11   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
straightUp wrote:
I agree with most of what Quinn is saying about the history of the Civil War. I've always believed the conflict was more about economic and territorial competition between states than slavery. I think the issue of slavery was just the attention getter (probably more now than it was then). This is pretty common stuff, just like religion is often used for political ambitions that need popular support like what we see in the Middle East today.

Of course the "functional illiterates" on all sides pick and choose which fallacies they want to believe, usually choosing the perspective most damaging to their political opponents. So for conservatives, the jihad is all about Islam and for liberals the Civil War was all about slavery. It's basically the same thing... a dismissal of the real issues leading to conflict for the purpose of swaying public opinions in one political direction or another.

Setting the slavery hype aside, I am far more aligned with the stance taken by the South, but then again, I *am* a Jeffersonian anti-Federalist at heart. Some of you know me as an advocate of secession (at least for California). A lot of liberals (especially those with a Libertarian spin) agree with me and it's too bad they can't see the parallel's with what the South was going through when THEY wanted to secede. I think it's a shame that the historical significance of the CSA is being buried in political misinformation because we have reached the point where the federal government has centralized too much power and it would be a great benefit to people if they could draw references and lessons from the Confederacy.

As for the misconceptions about the Civil War being all about slavery, I have to say that although it suits the anti-right narrative on the left, the blame really goes to racists on the right for being belligerent racists AND adopting the Confederacy as their icon. The Confederacy might not have been about racism in 1860, but the "alt-right" is MAKING it about racism today and THAT is what the angry left is responding to.

I guess that's the part that self-proclaimed expert Jim Quinn can't figure out... or is preferring not to because THAT would validate the left and he sure as shit doesn't want that! ;)
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StraightUp,
When was your last original thought? How much time have you wasted listening to and repeating the Jim Quinn's of the world? Any serious student of the Civil War has access to factual history as to the cause of the Civil War. Just read the state Constitutions of the seceding states. Read the Constitution of the CSA, itself. You'll see where slavery is named in each one as a reason for secession.

Part of the "States' Rights" argument regarding reason(s) for the CIvil War was that a state had the "right" to secede from the Union. Your argument, favoring secession was declared 'null and void' by the outcome of the Civil War. That you would still want to maintain that false concept only shows your ignorance of Constitutional history and theory. If a Civil War was fought to keep the UNion in tact in 1861, why would you not think another civil war wouldn't be fought to maintain the Union, today?

As to economics and territorial competition being the actual causes of the Civil War, as I stated earlier, slavery was an integral part of both of your arguments. Without slavery in either equation, there wouldn't have been any economic or territorial competition.

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Aug 17, 2017 21:41:20   #
Tom Salinger
 
kankune wrote:
Sorry Tom. Have to disagree. I'm half Irish and half Indian. I can't ever remember talking to any American Indian on here or anywhere that pissed and moaned because we were slaughtered and our lands were taken away.

How do we teach our young ones that parts of our history were bad. Yes there are evil parts, but it is a part of OUR history. It happened, quit trying to pretend it didn't by taking down all confederate statues. I really don't understand why people would be offended, it DID NOT happen to them personally or even their grandparents. If everything is gone how do these people teach their children that part of history which was bad????? Geeze.......
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Symbols matter more than speeches or lessons in history class. Again, these monuments and memorials came at a time when the South was looking to inflect on its populace the presiding culture of White Supremacy. That's it! It was a message directed at the Black population. Those statues spoke and said, "This is what we honor, what we find true and grand": those who fought to preserve slavery. Those who betrayed the US of A. For Blacks, it was an everyday Jewish experience of being under the gaze of Baal. Or Hitler. Those statues said grandly and matter-of-factly to Blacks, "We still own you."

Symbols are always weapons, for good or evil. The cross, the hammer and sickle, the smiley face, and so on.

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Aug 17, 2017 21:55:01   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Tom Salinger wrote:
Symbols matter more than speeches or lessons in history class. Again, these monuments and memorials came at a time when the South was looking to inflect on its populace the presiding culture of White Supremacy. That's it! It was a message directed at the Black population. Those statues spoke and said, "This is what we honor, what we find true and grand": those who fought to preserve slavery. Those who betrayed the US of A. For Blacks, it was an everyday Jewish experience of being under the gaze of Baal. Or Hitler. Those statues said grandly and matter-of-factly to Blacks, "We still own you."

Symbols are always weapons, for good or evil. The cross, the hammer and sickle, the smiley face, and so on.
Symbols matter more than speeches or lessons in hi... (show quote)


Sorry...disagree. These statues represent the heart and soul of men that fought and died for what they believed in and it wasn't all about slavery. It was also about states rights. The South did not want to be a part of the union and the North did not want a divided country. Contrer to popular belief, it's not all about the black people. What about the Lincoln bust that was just destroyed. He freed the slaves. This is nothing more then a political ploy from the leftist Taliban to destroy American history. Giving a bunch of stupid, idiotic, spoiled brats that think they actually know one thing about this country permission to destroy things. It's disgusting!!

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Aug 17, 2017 22:07:11   #
Tom Salinger
 
straightUp wrote:
I agree with most of what Quinn is saying about the history of the Civil War. I've always believed the conflict was more about economic and territorial competition between states than slavery. I think the issue of slavery was just the attention getter (probably more now than it was then). This is pretty common stuff, just like religion is often used for political ambitions that need popular support like what we see in the Middle East today.

Of course the "functional illiterates" on all sides pick and choose which fallacies they want to believe, usually choosing the perspective most damaging to their political opponents. So for conservatives, the jihad is all about Islam and for liberals the Civil War was all about slavery. It's basically the same thing... a dismissal of the real issues leading to conflict for the purpose of swaying public opinions in one political direction or another.

Setting the slavery hype aside, I am far more aligned with the stance taken by the South, but then again, I *am* a Jeffersonian anti-Federalist at heart. Some of you know me as an advocate of secession (at least for California). A lot of liberals (especially those with a Libertarian spin) agree with me and it's too bad they can't see the parallel's with what the South was going through when THEY wanted to secede. I think it's a shame that the historical significance of the CSA is being buried in political misinformation because we have reached the point where the federal government has centralized too much power and it would be a great benefit to people if they could draw references and lessons from the Confederacy.

As for the misconceptions about the Civil War being all about slavery, I have to say that although it suits the anti-right narrative on the left, the blame really goes to racists on the right for being belligerent racists AND adopting the Confederacy as their icon. The Confederacy might not have been about racism in 1860, but the "alt-right" is MAKING it about racism today and THAT is what the angry left is responding to.

I guess that's the part that self-proclaimed expert Jim Quinn can't figure out... or is preferring not to because THAT would validate the left and he sure as shit doesn't want that! ;)
I agree with most of what Quinn is saying about th... (show quote)


The population of the South in 1860 was 9 million; 4 million were slaves. Hardly just an "attention-getter." The argument for State's rights is a good one for secession (outside of the fact it was treasonous and cowardly)--except that the rights it wanted to preserve was slavery essential, it was believed, to fiscal viability. The South both needed and wanted slavery. Slavery was integral to their culture and history, and a fixture of their Christian faith. John Brown, the Dred Scott decision, and Stowe's book all made slavery the central issue. But secession, not slavery, was the issue for Lincoln. Preserving the union was paramount, even with slavery. When the South fired on Ft. Sumter, attacking the United States of America, the end of slavery, its preservation what prompted that attack, became a goal.

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Aug 17, 2017 22:33:00   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
alabuck wrote:
The OP reeks of the "Lost Cause" rendition of the Civil War. It's so full of BS and I'm ashamed of all of you who agree with its historically proven bias.

You can deny that slavery wasn't the driving factor of the Civil War all you want, but anynargument you can prodipuce can easily be shown to have its origin in slavery.

States' Rights: the desire of the slave-holding ststes to be able to take their slaves into the new territories.

Economy: the South's economy was based on slaves while the North's was based on paid labor.

Slavery: this should be obvious. The South wanted slavery to continue while the North was, at its worst, ambivalent about it.

Strong central Federal government vs. a weak Federal government: if you have read history as you claim, you'd know that the weak Federal government approach was tried and failed. It was under the Articles of Confederation that a weak Federal governemt was tried and it proved a total failure. Each state was making its own currency, had its own weights and measures, charged tolls to enter from one state into another, disrespected one another's laws, and, generally, thought of themselves as several free and independent countries.

No matter what your arguement/claim is regarding what caused the Civil War, slavery was always front and center as its basis.

As to taking pride in ones "heritage," that's all well and good. But, if ones heritage included an armed insurrection against the government; a heritage that resulted in the loss of about 850,000 people, the decimation of an entire generation, all over something you, now, claim you distain, then, I'd say that's not something to be very proud of. While you may claim to not be racist, your heritage says volumes to the contrary.

As to the "Confederates" protecting their "country from an invading army," that's total BS! "The Confederste States of America" existed in name, only. NO other country in the world recognized the CSA as a free, self-governing and independent country.

As to an "invading army," the "Rebels" were the "invading army." The armies that were formed by the insurrectionists, under the pretext of forming their own country, were the armies who were the "invaders." They invaded Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Pennsylvania, causing death and destruction in their wakes. That the Union armies "invaded" a foreign country is ridiculous! The Union armies went into States who were in rebellion against the legitimate government of the United States and went in said states to put down the rebellion/insurrection. Again, the "Confederate States of America" NEVER existed as a free and independent country. It was the dream (nightmare, actually) of a bunch of rich, plantation owners, who wanted to be able to ignore the laws they felt prevented them from becoming more rich, that never became a reality.

So, for some of you history revisionists to whine and cry about the removal of statues to the leaders of a rebellion, I say, "Get over it! Those statues should've never been erected to begin with."

No matter how much you try to re-write history, you'll never be able to justify the reasons you propose for having fought our Civil War. Read about. Study it. Research the military stragety and tactics. But, don't try to justify the Southern reasonings that the Civil War was a legitimate cause.
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Best response on this thread, Alabuck.

Your rebuttal to StraightUp was right-on, also.

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