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Jul 11, 2017 20:27:46   #
Mr. EZ
 
The political debate here is smothered and useless with these relentless hounds from the Right, none of them shy to use racists comments. That is their standard. I have an idea who blows the whistle for them to attack with idiotic distracting posts and personal attacks, yet have no proof. But for now it seems even those I trusted to be reasonable and honest, even fair, on the Right have become part of the pack. No discussions on issues are possible. We all have strong opinions about things, however, that should not mean crushing Freedom of Speech. I feel our discourse has been railroaded by operatives on the Right. No doubt the Right feels the opposite. A challenge, then: give as many Troll examples as possible of the opposite leaning group. Prove through weight of evidence that you are the aggrieved party. But we need to define Troll. It is not someone with an opposing view given with respect and providing sources, no matter how upsetting that may be to some. Essentially, a Troll only detracts from the narrative, not staying on topic and using insult and name-calling as their featured comments. Any racists comments automatically qualify a person as a Troll. Any generalization of either party as whatever is Troll-like. I am not attempting to ban such comments, this is an open forum, I am simply looking for a way we may move the conversation forward and actually deal with issues that will effect our children and our nation in the future.

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Jul 11, 2017 20:34:26   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Mr. EZ wrote:
The political debate here is smothered and useless with these relentless hounds from the Right, none of them shy to use racists comments. That is their standard. I have an idea who blows the whistle for them to attack with idiotic distracting posts and personal attacks, yet have no proof. But for now it seems even those I trusted to be reasonable and honest, even fair, on the Right have become part of the pack. No discussions on issues are possible. We all have strong opinions about things, however, that should not mean crushing Freedom of Speech. I feel our discourse has been railroaded by operatives on the Right. No doubt the Right feels the opposite. A challenge, then: give as many Troll examples as possible of the opposite leaning group. Prove through weight of evidence that you are the aggrieved party. But we need to define Troll. It is not someone with an opposing view given with respect and providing sources, no matter how upsetting that may be to some. Essentially, a Troll only detracts from the narrative, not staying on topic and using insult and name-calling as their featured comments. Any racists comments automatically qualify a person as a Troll. Any generalization of either party as whatever is Troll-like. I am not attempting to ban such comments, this is an open forum, I am simply looking for a way we may move the conversation forward and actually deal with issues that will effect our children and our nation in the future.
The political debate here is smothered and useless... (show quote)


They got flushed down the toilet when parents let the goverment and games raise their children and they steppped back and became an observer not a participant in their childs life

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Jul 11, 2017 20:36:59   #
Mr. EZ
 
bggamers wrote:
They got flushed down the toilet when parents let the goverment and games raise their children and they steppped back and became an observer not a participant in their childs life


I might agree. Please explain.

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Jul 11, 2017 20:42:45   #
Snoopy
 
Mr. EZ wrote:
The political debate here is smothered and useless with these relentless hounds from the Right, none of them shy to use racists comments. That is their standard. I have an idea who blows the whistle for them to attack with idiotic distracting posts and personal attacks, yet have no proof. But for now it seems even those I trusted to be reasonable and honest, even fair, on the Right have become part of the pack. No discussions on issues are possible. We all have strong opinions about things, however, that should not mean crushing Freedom of Speech. I feel our discourse has been railroaded by operatives on the Right. No doubt the Right feels the opposite. A challenge, then: give as many Troll examples as possible of the opposite leaning group. Prove through weight of evidence that you are the aggrieved party. But we need to define Troll. It is not someone with an opposing view given with respect and providing sources, no matter how upsetting that may be to some. Essentially, a Troll only detracts from the narrative, not staying on topic and using insult and name-calling as their featured comments. Any racists comments automatically qualify a person as a Troll. Any generalization of either party as whatever is Troll-like. I am not attempting to ban such comments, this is an open forum, I am simply looking for a way we may move the conversation forward and actually deal with issues that will effect our children and our nation in the future.
The political debate here is smothered and useless... (show quote)


Mr. EZ:

Somehow I get the same feeling about the Left.

If you check this site . . . usually the name-calling and bad language STARTS from the left.

The violence we have seen lately in California also shows the left is doing it.

And the Left brought this on by presenting an unsuitable candidate. It is amazing, in a country of over 300 million people, we could not find better candidates for president.

There is enough blame to go around to all parties.

Fact-checking seems to be a lost art with CNN and The New York Times.

Snoopy

Snoopy

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Jul 11, 2017 20:53:45   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Mr. EZ wrote:
I might agree. Please explain.


At some point they decided spankings were abusive smacking a childs hand and saying no when reaching for an open flame is abusive aparently they learn just as well if they get burned 'raising your voice is abusive and any parent caught doing these things could be sent to jail and the children taken away. All these thing were lumped together with killing a child burning a child And because a dumb seriel killer used the fact that he was spanked when he was a child it was concidered abuse ect. I dont know about you but I got my tail spanked many a time and yet I have not gone out and become a seriel killer All my sons raised by me alone I spanked their butts for many things they are stand up citizens and have not become criminals because of it have jobs and take care of their responsibilitys, They also teach this to kids in school you have no idea how many kids have tried to black mail their own parents with threat they would turn them in if they didnt get what they want when a women I worked with had family services show up at her door because her daughters called saying she was mean to them she asked the lady to wait a minute she came back with 2 suit cases told her to take them and their father would come down at some point take them to live with him girls fell appart that wasnt what they were exspecting. All this because she turned the phone off when she went to work they had run up a bill of $750 making calls one month

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Jul 11, 2017 20:56:33   #
Mr. EZ
 
Snoopy wrote:
Mr. EZ:

Somehow I get the same feeling about the Left.

If you check this site . . . usually the name-calling and bad language STARTS from the left.

The violence we have seen lately in California also shows the left is doing it.

And the Left brought this on by presenting an unsuitable candidate. It is amazing, in a country of over 300 million people, we could not find better candidates for president.

There is enough blame to go around to all parties.

Fact-checking seems to be a lost art with CNN and The New York Times.

Snoopy

Snoopy
Mr. EZ: br br Somehow I get the same feeling abou... (show quote)


Definitely agree, snoopy. Enough blame to go around. But I have sifted through over a thousand responses the last few days and, maybe it is coincidence, the Right has a near monopoly here on negative responses. Anyone on the Right, please feel free to do the same. Weigh the comments.

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Jul 11, 2017 21:09:12   #
Airforceone
 
Snoopy wrote:
Mr. EZ:

Somehow I get the same feeling about the Left.

If you check this site . . . usually the name-calling and bad language STARTS from the left.

The violence we have seen lately in California also shows the left is doing it.

And the Left brought this on by presenting an unsuitable candidate. It is amazing, in a country of over 300 million people, we could not find better candidates for president.

There is enough blame to go around to all parties.

Fact-checking seems to be a lost art with CNN and The New York Times.

Snoopy

Snoopy
Mr. EZ: br br Somehow I get the same feeling abou... (show quote)


Give me one article by The NY Times that was fake. The right wingers believe in Fox, Briethbart, and Infowars. So what are you trying to say.

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Jul 11, 2017 21:17:23   #
Mr. EZ
 
bggamers wrote:
At some point they decided spankings were abusive smacking a childs hand and saying no when reaching for an open flame is abusive aparently they learn just as well if they get burned 'raising your voice is abusive and any parent caught doing these things could be sent to jail and the children taken away. All these thing were lumped together with killing a child burning a child And because a dumb seriel killer used the fact that he was spanked when he was a child it was concidered abuse ect. I dont know about you but I got my tail spanked many a time and yet I have not gone out and become a seriel killer All my sons raised by me alone I spanked their butts for many things they are stand up citizens and have not become criminals because of it have jobs and take care of their responsibilitys, They also teach this to kids in school you have no idea how many kids have tried to black mail their own parents with threat they would turn them in if they didnt get what they want when a women I worked with had family services show up at her door because her daughters called saying she was mean to them she asked the lady to wait a minute she came back with 2 suit cases told her to take them and their father would come down at some point take them to live with him girls fell appart that wasnt what they were exspecting. All this because she turned the phone off when she went to work they had run up a bill of $750 making calls one month
At some point they decided spankings were abusive ... (show quote)


To the point: spanking does not work. Simple. Prove otherwise. The rest is hogwash, sorry. Like the "Twinkie defense": a lawyer's trick. Ridiculous.

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Jul 11, 2017 21:17:29   #
Airforceone
 
bggamers wrote:
At some point they decided spankings were abusive smacking a childs hand and saying no when reaching for an open flame is abusive aparently they learn just as well if they get burned 'raising your voice is abusive and any parent caught doing these things could be sent to jail and the children taken away. All these thing were lumped together with killing a child burning a child And because a dumb seriel killer used the fact that he was spanked when he was a child it was concidered abuse ect. I dont know about you but I got my tail spanked many a time and yet I have not gone out and become a seriel killer All my sons raised by me alone I spanked their butts for many things they are stand up citizens and have not become criminals because of it have jobs and take care of their responsibilitys, They also teach this to kids in school you have no idea how many kids have tried to black mail their own parents with threat they would turn them in if they didnt get what they want when a women I worked with had family services show up at her door because her daughters called saying she was mean to them she asked the lady to wait a minute she came back with 2 suit cases told her to take them and their father would come down at some point take them to live with him girls fell appart that wasnt what they were exspecting. All this because she turned the phone off when she went to work they had run up a bill of $750 making calls one month
At some point they decided spankings were abusive ... (show quote)


So are you blaming this on Democrats. Now don't forget 4 out of the last six presidents have been republicans. Clinton created more jobs than any president in History and Obama is number two with 74 straight months of positive job growth and he took over from a Republican induced recession. But you can run but you can't hide.

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Jul 11, 2017 21:18:58   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Mr. EZ wrote:
The political debate here is smothered and useless with these relentless hounds from the Right, none of them shy to use racists comments. That is their standard. I have an idea who blows the whistle for them to attack with idiotic distracting posts and personal attacks, yet have no proof. But for now it seems even those I trusted to be reasonable and honest, even fair, on the Right have become part of the pack. No discussions on issues are possible. We all have strong opinions about things, however, that should not mean crushing Freedom of Speech. I feel our discourse has been railroaded by operatives on the Right. No doubt the Right feels the opposite. A challenge, then: give as many Troll examples as possible of the opposite leaning group. Prove through weight of evidence that you are the aggrieved party. But we need to define Troll. It is not someone with an opposing view given with respect and providing sources, no matter how upsetting that may be to some. Essentially, a Troll only detracts from the narrative, not staying on topic and using insult and name-calling as their featured comments. Any racists comments automatically qualify a person as a Troll. Any generalization of either party as whatever is Troll-like. I am not attempting to ban such comments, this is an open forum, I am simply looking for a way we may move the conversation forward and actually deal with issues that will effect our children and our nation in the future.
The political debate here is smothered and useless... (show quote)


Check out this list and then tell me that it is the right which uses obscenities, both racial and sexual slurs and posts blatant lies.

Cool Breeze
CounterRevolutionary
DJRich
dongreen76
Dummy Boy
Glaucon
Jack2014
moldyoldy
norte
payne1000
permafrost
PeterS
Progressive One: Remove
Raylan Wolfe
tdsrnest
TundraMan69

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Jul 11, 2017 21:20:21   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
tdsrnest wrote:
So are you blaming this on Democrats. Now don't forget 4 out of the last six presidents have been republicans. Clinton created more jobs than any president in History and Obama is number two with 74 straight months of positive job growth and he took over from a Republican induced recession. But you can run but you can't hide.


where did you get democrates from that?????????????????my reply was for EZ

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Jul 11, 2017 21:25:01   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Mr. EZ wrote:
To the point: spanking does not work. Simple. Prove otherwise. The rest is hogwash, sorry. Like the "Twinkie defense": a lawyer's trick. Ridiculous.


The defence is if you look back to earlier years you did not see all this bs going on the proof is in the kind of adults that where raised and became productive in society not a bunch of illiterate trouble making babys who cannt handle having a job because they have to follow RULES and yes spanking did work you must be one of the younger generation

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Jul 11, 2017 21:36:25   #
Mr. EZ
 
pafret wrote:
Check out this list and then tell me that it is the right which uses obscenities, both racial and sexual slurs and posts blatant lies.

Cool Breeze
CounterRevolutionary
DJRich
dongreen76
Dummy Boy
Glaucon
Jack2014
moldyoldy
norte
payne1000
permafrost
PeterS
Progressive One: Remove
Raylan Wolfe
tdsrnest
TundraMan69


Examples, evidence, would be good but I have heard obscenities from at least five, but that is not saying the others have not used obscenities. I do not recommend obscenities as a basic form of communication yet their use is not necessarily troll-like. It is better for appraisal to show in context. One on that list I know has used racial slurs. Maybe all of them but I have not seen it. Of five people on the Right I prefer not to name, all have freely used racial slurs. Lingua franca.

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Jul 11, 2017 21:41:52   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Mr. EZ wrote:
Examples, evidence, would be good but I have heard obscenities from at least five, but that is not saying the others have not used obscenities. I do not recommend obscenities as a basic form of communication yet their use is not necessarily troll-like. It is better for appraisal to show in context. One on that list I know has used racial slurs. Maybe all of them but I have not seen it. Of five people on the Right I prefer not to name, all have freely used racial slurs. Lingua franca.


I have number of people on the right on my ignore list as well but they are far outweighed by the lefties.

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Jul 11, 2017 22:08:12   #
Mr. EZ
 
pafret wrote:
I have number of people on the right on my ignore list as well but they are far outweighed by the lefties.


Ignore list. Tempting. I am of two minds. But I think I would rather have my tread shredded by trolls than to ignore. Yet I do truly wish for open communication between opposing parties.

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