Ok, here is the question I asked a long time ago without any response from the lefties here. I didnt want any kind of leftest talking points. Just plain ole Logic and reasoning for their COLLECTIVE wishes. SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM, CONSTITUTIONLISM or plain old ANARCHISM. I really dont know what the problem is if you at least have a clue as to what they want RIGHT?

I going to ask again for serious replies, no BS just exactly it is do you progressive lefties want for the our country. What type of governing is it that you want that ultimately make you people happy or at least to settle down and quit protesting in the streets? Im not assuming any of you have protested and I know that most of those protests were paid for by George Soros. Just try and answer as honestly as you can please. I really would like to know and as far as others here on OPP, Im going guess that they would also want to know for possible future and real dialog.

Semper Fi

The only agenda Politician Democrats have is to regain power to continue looting the country for themselves and their plutocrat friends. As far as the rank and file, Hillary is alleged to have said; The average Democratic voter is “just plain stupid” and “easy to manipulate” . While it is claimed she didn't say this she might as well have said it because it is true. The people who support the Democratic party simply never comprehend that they are being treated worse every day and that none of the pie in the sky promises ever come true. Obamacare is a case in point, anyone who was working and paying for his own insurance now has worse coverage, with higher premiums and deductibles yet Obamacare is really good for the nation. Republicans are evil bastards who don't care about common people because they are trying to repeal it.

Obstruction, chaos, and deliberate thwarting of any progress and success in dealing with the nation's problems is the government they want and are actively working to achieve. When they ultimately return to power and can once again enrich their patrons they will engage in empty platitudes while they loot what is left of this nation.

This reminds me of Walter Reuther, the former head of the United Auto Workers Union. After a brutal round of negotiations where he won enormous pay and benefits increases he was asked if he didn't think he had pushed for too much. His response was "No, I don't think so." How do you know that? "Well they didn't go broke yet"
The Democrats similarly will know when they have stolen too much when armed citizens hunt them down and string them up to the nearest Telephone pole

You are completely missing the point. The government has no right to take money from hard working individuals and give it to someone who hasn't earned it. That's called theft. The government's responsibility is to create an environment where people can work and take care of themselves. The minute government got involved in taking care of people, it evolved into a monster. All the lazy have-nots decided they didn't have to work anymore. The Nanny State would take care of them. Look where it's lead us. The middle class all but gone. A record number of Americans dependent on the government for their very survival. In short, the government should not provide anything for anyone. They should help them provide for themselves. But that would be a nightmare for you liberals. "Wadda you mean i gots ta work?" LOL! This is how nations die. Read it. This is what liberalism has done to our nation.

Ten Signs of a Culture's End

Written by Brad Keena

There are ten signs that depict the end of a culture. Great civilizations of the past were destroyed when people saw these signs but failed to act. Each of these indicators is with us today.

The first sign of the end of a culture is that of a society which no longer worships or acknowledges God.
Christianity had played a significant role in the discovery and settlement of America. It had provided a standard in judging education, legislation, and behavior-both public and private. In the 1990s, it has actually become unpopular to advocate traditional Judeo-Christian values, such as the Ten Commandments. Thanks to Political Correctness, the popular culture ridicules those who worship God as the sovereign creator. Instead, it is popular to put our faith and trust in ourselves or in other creations of God.

A second indicator of the end of a culture is the decline of the family.
Just 40 years ago families usually lived close to grandparents. Fathers were responsible for the welfare of the family. Moms generally stayed home. It was safe to walk to school or go to the movies unattended. Today, statistics show divorce is at an all time high in the United States. It is now so common for young people to grow up in divorced households that the term "broken family" is now a forgotten expression in the popular culture. Fathers are living apart from their natural children. Mothers no longer stay at home, but work as a head of the household. As a result, women in our society have lost their feminine identity. As worship has declined, the spiritual values communicated by mothers have all but ended with a generation. The moral authority of fathers is undermined by a society that no longer embraces the structure of the family.

A third important indicator of cultural demise is a society's low view of life.
Today, the popular culture now views abortion as a "right." The failure of our government to outlaw partial birth abortion for such a long time demonstrated how intolerant of life the culture has become. Steadily, society's undermining of life has grown to include calls for legalizing euthanasia, assisted suicide, and scientific experimentation. But history warns no society can last without a high view of life.

Another sign of the end of the civilization is the prevalence of base and immoral entertainment.
In its last days, Rome had become a society with an insatiable appetite for debauchery and immorality. Perverted entertainment translated into perverted speech and behavior. The Roman society began to accept and encourage open homosexuality. The people turned away from God and forgot his commandments and precepts, and Rome crumbled. And today, our culture has begun to embrace the same kind of entertainment. In music, a song eulogizing a murdered rap star has held the top spot on the charts for two months. Many of our movies now feature heroes who triumph by copying the vises of the villains. Television has scuttled its family hour for more dramas and sitcoms that treat perversion as normal behavior. Wholesome entertainment is becoming a forgotten relic.

Still another troublesome indicator of society's demise is the increase of violent crime among young people.
Riddled with gang violence, many of our inner cities have become powder kegs portending future collapse. Today, young people think about death and dying more than any other subject. In fact, surveys indicate they think about death even more than they think about the opposite sex. There's a popular new sport called extreme fighting, in which combatants injure one another like the gladiators of Rome. The demise of the traditional family and absence of religion have combined to create a culture of children who are morally retarded. In the wake of this, our Politically Correct society offers young people no consistent arguments against violence.

Another key cultural indicator is the declining middle class.
Politicians have discovered one of the keys to reelection is to advocate more spending and government programs for the poor. The traditional middle class is now defined as rich. The work of the federal government has become the business of redistributing wealth through taxation and new government programs. After years of bureaucratic growth over the last fifty years, the United States has witnessed shrinking numbers of middle class wage earners, many of whom have become the working poor. The family structure has disintegrated over the last twenty-five years in part because of the economic pressure for women to join the workforce. This has lead to the increased polarization of the working class and the wealthy. Russia witnessed just such a polarization before a revolution ushered in the communist era.

Yet another sign of cultural demise is that of an insolvent Government.
The French Revolution occurred against the backdrop of a bankrupt government. Today, our government has not managed a balanced budget in nearly thirty years. Beneath the annual budget lies a debt of unmanageable proportions. History warns that a government rendered insolvent cannot quell its disenchanted masses.

Related to this, a government that lives off of society's moral decay is another sign of the end of a civilization.
The Roman civilization crumbled under the weight of an immoral and corrupt government. Over the years, our government has devised the creation of whole agencies that exist for no other reason than to manage some of the most immoral aspects of the culture. The National Endowment for the Arts and the Legal Services Corporation are examples of agencies that foster society's decline. Within the judicial branch of government, judges accountable to no one have helped undermine the religious freedoms that were once the centerpiece of our society. Laws once protected children and families. Criminals were punished severely for rape. People were arrested for cohabitation and adultery. Sodomy, outlawed in every state, was listed in the newspaper as a "crime against nature." A couple having a child out of wedlock was ostracized, and homosexuality was as foreign to the world as walking on the moon.

One obvious indicator that a culture is in decline is when the ruling class loses its will.
Our nation's leaders no longer see the world according to right and wrong. Instead, the objective of today's foreign policy Establishment is to maintain the status quo. In like manner, our elected leaders have lost their moral authority. Elected officials no longer seek office for the good of the country but instead seek reelection to further lucrative careers within the Washington Establishment. Also, our nation's defense Establishment has traded military readiness for social experimentation with a feminized military.

The final indicator of the demise of a civilization is the failure of its people to see what is happening.
In nearly every case, citizens of past civilizations which ended witnessed all of the signs of demise but failed to act. Today, the popular culture has helped society forget the lessons of history. In school, teachers used to teach the basics; children received report cards that actually reflected what they had achieved. In 1973, the NEA president said, "The day of basic skills is over . . . we will be the conveyor of national values" Today schools teach self-esteem and is a major tool used to indoctrinate our children. It's not uncommon in science class for children to be taught that humans evolved from a lower lifeform and that trees have the same right to life as humans. Children learn that it is okay to have two mommies and no daddy. Kids today are adept at using a calculator, but have no concept of multiplication or division. They cannot make change but score high in self-esteem.

All of the signs of the demise of our culture are with us today: the hostility toward religion, the breakup of the family, the declining view of life, the appetite for immorality, the violence and crime, and the declining middle class are coupled with a federal government on the brink of insolvency, whose leaders are living off of society's moral decay leading to the loss of leadership and moral will. The education system has robbed them of a classic education; seduced them through deceit and outright lies; the court system has given us "rights" we never owned; the criminal justice system does not provide justice for those who are mistreated; legislators have legalized immoral behavior; and our national leaders have set an example of immorality.

In the days of Noah, God warned a faithless, immoral and violent civilization of the imminent catastrophe that was about to take place, but few listened. Tonight, our civilization is at the crossroads, but few are noticing the signs that are before us. It is time to take notice, and to pray for spiritual awakening in this country, before the light of our civilization goes out.

And just who is going to determine who has taken more than they should, and to whom that "extra" belongs? That is the basis of socialism Marx said it best "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" Never has worked and never will. No one has the right or obligation to determine what your worth is, and make sure you get no more than what you "deserve". Free markets, not controlled by government or dictators is the only way to build an economy. When it is actually free markets, more people will be able to participate. In such a system, those who are unable to provide for themselves will receive assistance from good and generous people. America, when it was a freemarket country was the most generous on the planet. At that time the country was primarily Christian, now that secularism is forced on people, and Christianity is unofficialy banned, morally is what ever you want to do, which is destroying the culture and Western Civilization.