Is health care a right, revisited
May 25, 2017 01:06:57 #
May 25, 2017 01:28:43 #
JFlorio
Loc: Seminole Florida
EmilyStrode wrote:
65 people visited without comment: why?
It's been debated on OPP many times. Most of us want everyone to have healthcare and or access too. The big question is how to cover everyone without breaking the bank. Many, such as myself want to see healthcare costs go down due to competition. Sounds easy but it's not. For costs to decrease we would need to start at ground level. Medical school. My biggest pet peeve with the industry is transparency. Costs are hidden. We go to the hospital or doctor and never see a cost for a good or service. What other industry does that? Many on OPP want single payer. Government run. I believe it would break the bank, increase substantially, waiting times, decrease the number of doctors, and eventually have too ration care.
May 25, 2017 02:03:21 #
JFlorio wrote:
It's been debated on OPP many times. Most of us wa... (show quote)
Thank you. A very thoughtful and insightful response.
May 25, 2017 03:45:45 #
EmilyStrode wrote:
Thank you. A very thoughtful and insightful response.
I would add to that we are the most litigious society in the world's history. With 4.4 percent of the world's population, we literally have 75 percent of the lawyers. You think this doesn't drive up the cost of medical care? My cousin is a pediatrician with a sterling record, and yet his malpractice insurance is around $150,000 per year. Add to that the cost of his office and staff. He has to make around $300,000 to break even.
Then there is the matter of insurance that is available in some states and not in others. I remember a few years ago, a very good Dental plan was advertised on TV. When I called to purchase it, I found that it was not available in my state. Drop the barriers and let the insurance companies compete across all state lines. I paid higher insurance because more affordable policies could not be sold in Georgia. This is ridiculous.
May 25, 2017 06:53:54 #
Loki wrote:
I would add to that we are the most litigious soci... (show quote)
Loki: As usual . . . right on the mark!
Snoopy
May 25, 2017 08:15:35 #
The reason there is a debate over health care being a right is because so many are left out. Health care is rationed in the US by ability to pay. Even people with health INSURANCE have to forego medical treatment because of high co-pays and high deductibles and limits on coverage. The "free marketers" and shills for the health INSURANCE corporations don't like that pointed out.
Access to quality health CARE should be a right for everyone, not a privilege for some. 5% of the US population generates 50% of the costs of medical CARE of which the government funds the vast majority because that segment of the population is NOT profitable to the private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations that profit $500 billion annually form the 50% of the population that generates only 3% of health CARE spending. Eliminating the private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations and re-allocating those funds into a Medicare for All system would NOT "break the bank" Studies have shown that it would actually SAVE 95% of taxpayers money and relieve businesses of that expense.
http://www.healthcare-now.org/blog/medicare-for-all-would-cover-everyone-save-billions-in-first-year/
http://www.pnhp.org/sites/default/files/Funding%20HR%20676_Friedman_7.31.13_proofed.pdf
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-system/
Access to quality health CARE should be a right for everyone, not a privilege for some. 5% of the US population generates 50% of the costs of medical CARE of which the government funds the vast majority because that segment of the population is NOT profitable to the private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations that profit $500 billion annually form the 50% of the population that generates only 3% of health CARE spending. Eliminating the private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations and re-allocating those funds into a Medicare for All system would NOT "break the bank" Studies have shown that it would actually SAVE 95% of taxpayers money and relieve businesses of that expense.
http://www.healthcare-now.org/blog/medicare-for-all-would-cover-everyone-save-billions-in-first-year/
http://www.pnhp.org/sites/default/files/Funding%20HR%20676_Friedman_7.31.13_proofed.pdf
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-system/
May 25, 2017 08:21:35 #
EmilyStrode wrote:
65 people visited without comment: why?
When Trump was campaigning he said his healthcare plan would cover everyone. Given that our fearless leader thought everyone should have health insurance I guess that means healthcare is a right...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-vows-insurance-for-everybody-in-obamacare-replacement-plan/2017/01/15/5f2b1e18-db5d-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.b0cf5a0b4ecb
As for why people don't comment--perhaps they had nothing to say...
May 25, 2017 11:29:18 #
lpnmajor
Loc: Arkansas
EmilyStrode wrote:
65 people visited without comment: why?
I must have missed the thread, but I did comment somewhere about it.
Here it is in a nutshell; the Constitution grants us the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Healthcare is essential for life, and is therefor guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. There is no provision in the Constitution granting business exclusive rights to healthcare - or for Government to deny it to anyone.
May 25, 2017 21:34:46 #
May 25, 2017 21:35:30 #
buffalo wrote:
The reason there is a debate over health care bein... (show quote)
Excellent! Very informative. Thank you.
May 25, 2017 21:36:25 #
PeterS wrote:
When Trump was campaigning he said his healthcare plan would cover everyone. Given that our fearless leader thought everyone should have health insurance I guess that means healthcare is a right...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-vows-insurance-for-everybody-in-obamacare-replacement-plan/2017/01/15/5f2b1e18-db5d-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.b0cf5a0b4ecb
As for why people don't comment--perhaps they had nothing to say...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-vows-insurance-for-everybody-in-obamacare-replacement-plan/2017/01/15/5f2b1e18-db5d-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.b0cf5a0b4ecb
As for why people don't comment--perhaps they had nothing to say...
Cover everyone is the only way. Thank you.
May 25, 2017 21:36:57 #
lpnmajor wrote:
I must have missed the thread, but I did comment somewhere about it.
Here it is in a nutshell; the Constitution grants us the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Healthcare is essential for life, and is therefor guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. There is no provision in the Constitution granting business exclusive rights to healthcare - or for Government to deny it to anyone.
Here it is in a nutshell; the Constitution grants us the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Healthcare is essential for life, and is therefor guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. There is no provision in the Constitution granting business exclusive rights to healthcare - or for Government to deny it to anyone.
Perfect! Well said. Thank you.
May 25, 2017 21:40:22 #
JFlorio
Loc: Seminole Florida
Bullshit. the Constitution grants you the right to life. Meaning no one can take your life from you legally. Liberty, means freedom of choice. Pursuit of happiness is vague. You may pursue what makes you happy. Not make someone else responsible for your happiness. Trying to guarantee healthcare through the constitution is a stretch. Happiness may be a roof over your head. Should government supply that?
lpnmajor wrote:
I must have missed the thread, but I did comment somewhere about it.
Here it is in a nutshell; the Constitution grants us the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Healthcare is essential for life, and is therefor guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. There is no provision in the Constitution granting business exclusive rights to healthcare - or for Government to deny it to anyone.
Here it is in a nutshell; the Constitution grants us the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Healthcare is essential for life, and is therefor guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. There is no provision in the Constitution granting business exclusive rights to healthcare - or for Government to deny it to anyone.
May 25, 2017 21:41:47 #
JFlorio
Loc: Seminole Florida
How? Easy for you to say. I pay $1100 a month with a $14,000 deductible. How many more should I subsidize?
EmilyStrode wrote:
Cover everyone is the only way. Thank you.
May 25, 2017 22:41:12 #
JFlorio wrote:
Bullshit. the Constitution grants you the right to life. Meaning no one can take your life from you legally. Liberty, means freedom of choice. Pursuit of happiness is vague. You may pursue what makes you happy. Not make someone else responsible for your happiness. Trying to guarantee healthcare through the constitution is a stretch. Happiness may be a roof over your head. Should government supply that?
If someone is denied possible life-saving care, for the simple lack of money, hasn't their life been taken from them, and for no other reason than they were poor? You see someone drowning and take out your phone to video it, aren't you somewhat responsible for their death? Without life, the other two liberties are meaningless. The right to life does not guarantee the end of congenital diseases and defects. The procedures to treat these people are extremely expensive. Let them die? What is the right to life without provisions to help sustain it when it is under direct threat from disease or other factors. Many poor people do not have the freedom of choice to secure enough insurance to afford basic coverage, never mind catastrophic insurance for a pre-existing congenital condition. In America, we the people are the government. It seems health care for we the people is a Constitutional right.
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