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Apr 24, 2017 17:08:23   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
Explosive thermite sounds exactly like what was recorded on 9/11.


Bullshit...Has nanothermite been oversold to the 9/11 Truth community?

“It's not what we don't know that hurts us, it's what we know that ain't so.” – Will Rogers

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth are heavily promoting the theory that “explosive nanothermite” was used to bring down the Twin Towers on September 11th, 2001, and that microscopic chips of a fused compound containing unignited nanothermite were found in the World Trade Center dust. This discovery is now considered a “smoking gun” by most members of the 9/11 Truth community, even though a good many serious researchers and 9/11 activists remain unconvinced.

Let’s take a look at what is supposed to be the current best evidence in the controlled-demolition theory of the World Trade Center’s tallest buildings. Steven Jones, a physicist who joined the 9/11 Truth movement from Brigham Young University during 2005, introduced the theory that thermite/thermate played a role in the destruction of the towers; and in 2006, he refined this theory to propose that nanothermite or “superthermite” – a finely granulated form of thermite – was in fact the substance used, and its high reactivity served to pulverize the steel, concrete and many additional tons of skyscraper material, including the buildings’ contents.

In an effort to confirm the claims being made about thermite and nanothermite, T. Mark Hightower, a chemical engineer from both the space program and chemical industry, decided to investigate its use as an explosive. In addition to doing his own study, he has repeatedly written to leading 9/11 researchers who champion the use of nanothermite as the principal (if not exclusive) mechanism for bringing about the destruction of the Twin Towers, probing them on the explosive capabilities of nanothermite. The replies he has received suggest that this is an issue they are unwilling to examine fully and openly.

Hightower wrote directly to Richard Gage, the founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, citing a frequently‑referenced March 2005 LLNL paper on thermite, which can be downloaded from the Reference 2 link at the bottom of http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/theories/thermitetech.html

This paper explains what nano‑composites are, focusing on thermite mixtures and how they are produced. It also includes some experimental results.

As Hightower observed to Gage, however: “This paper offers no evidence to me that explosive velocities anywhere near that of TNT (22,600 feet per second) can be produced by the nanothermites as described and presented. On page 10, it states, ‘One limitation inherent in any thermite energetic material is the inability of the energetic material to do pressure/volume work on an object. Thermites release energy in the form of heat and light, but are unable to move objects.’"



What Hightower was asking Gage was: “How can a substance be an explosive and not be able to do pressure/volume work on an object – that is, move an object?” Gage responded: “The nanothermite was set in a bed of organic silica, which I believe the authors suggest may provide the explosive pressure/volume work. In addition, I believe that the authors are quite open to the possibility that other more high-energy explosives may have been used.”

Without further characterization, the “bed of organic silica” is not a sufficient explanation, so the possibility is raised that “other more high-energy explosives may have been used.” Surely thermite or nanothermite would become explosive if combined with bona fide explosives. Hightower decided to take an even closer look at the claims advanced on behalf of nanothermite, and has spent several months researching everything he could find in the open literature. Again and again, he found that thermite, even in its nano form, unless combined with high explosives or another high-explosive mechanism, cannot be a high explosive.

So if nanothermite is to be the “smoking gun” of 9/11, it would have had to have been combined with some form of high-power explosives or other high-explosive mechanism to do the job of bringing the buildings down. What was it combined with? By itself, nanothermite cannot have been the sole agent of demolition – it was only another “helper.” By itself, therefore, nanothermite cannot be “explosive evidence,” as AE911 Truth maintains.

There are reasons to believe that the 9/11 movement’s nanothermite experts are actually aware of this problem. For example, during a recent interview (“9/11: Explosive Testimony Exclusive” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lU-vu2JvZY), Niels Harrit explains that nanothermite is built from the atom scale up, which allows for the option of adding other chemicals to make it explosive. He states that the role played by the red-gray chips found in the dust is unknown. But he is convinced, based on observation of the towers’ destruction and the molten metal present, that both explosives and incendiaries were used. It’s just that he and his fellow researchers have not been able to prove that the nanothermitic material they found in the dust has the explosive properties he believes were necessary to accomplish the destruction.

Harrit suggests the use of “a modern military material which is unknown to the general public” as an explanation for the missing pieces to the 9/11 nanothermite puzzle. He urges a new investigation, whereby NIST will test WTC dust samples for remaining explosives and thermitic material. But he also seems to be saying that he and his fellow 9/11 researchers do not consider it worthwhile to pursue further analysis beyond their current findings.

9/11 truthers may agree that (1) if unignited nanothermite was in the WTC dust after the event, it proves a demolition plan of some kind; or (2) if unignited nanothermite was found in the dust after the event, it only proves that nanothermite played some role either on 9/11 or in its aftermath – including the cleanup, which was overseen by the federal and city governments. Those who believe (1) may in fact be satisfied with the lack of conclusive evidence of explosives the discovery of nanothermite presents. Those who agree with (2) are most likely to be unsatisfied by the current state of affairs, and may indeed argue, “We still have no real ‘hard evidence’ proving that the Twin Towers were brought down by explosives.”

We do have visual evidence (videos) that strongly indicate to any discerning viewer that the Twin Towers did not come down by gravitational collapse. However, apart from that, we are still where we started – pursuing different inquiries into how and why the buildings fell the way they did. “Explosive nanothermite” is no firmer a theory than conventional explosives demolition, nuclear demolition, or directed free-energy technology; in fact, it is somewhat misleading and – for that reason alone – probably not the best horse for us to be betting on.

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Apr 24, 2017 17:14:13   #
payne1000
 
amadjuster wrote:
Who told you that?


Common sense . . . that ability which you have lacked all your life.

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Apr 24, 2017 17:27:45   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
Bullshit...Has nanothermite been oversold to the 9/11 Truth community?

“It's not what we don't know that hurts us, it's what we know that ain't so.” – Will Rogers

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth are heavily promoting the theory that “explosive nanothermite” was used to bring down the Twin Towers on September 11th, 2001, and that microscopic chips of a fused compound containing unignited nanothermite were found in the World Trade Center dust. This discovery is now considered a “smoking gun” by most members of the 9/11 Truth community, even though a good many serious researchers and 9/11 activists remain unconvinced.

Let’s take a look at what is supposed to be the current best evidence in the controlled-demolition theory of the World Trade Center’s tallest buildings. Steven Jones, a physicist who joined the 9/11 Truth movement from Brigham Young University during 2005, introduced the theory that thermite/thermate played a role in the destruction of the towers; and in 2006, he refined this theory to propose that nanothermite or “superthermite” – a finely granulated form of thermite – was in fact the substance used, and its high reactivity served to pulverize the steel, concrete and many additional tons of skyscraper material, including the buildings’ contents.

In an effort to confirm the claims being made about thermite and nanothermite, T. Mark Hightower, a chemical engineer from both the space program and chemical industry, decided to investigate its use as an explosive. In addition to doing his own study, he has repeatedly written to leading 9/11 researchers who champion the use of nanothermite as the principal (if not exclusive) mechanism for bringing about the destruction of the Twin Towers, probing them on the explosive capabilities of nanothermite. The replies he has received suggest that this is an issue they are unwilling to examine fully and openly.

Hightower wrote directly to Richard Gage, the founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, citing a frequently‑referenced March 2005 LLNL paper on thermite, which can be downloaded from the Reference 2 link at the bottom of http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/theories/thermitetech.html

This paper explains what nano‑composites are, focusing on thermite mixtures and how they are produced. It also includes some experimental results.

As Hightower observed to Gage, however: “This paper offers no evidence to me that explosive velocities anywhere near that of TNT (22,600 feet per second) can be produced by the nanothermites as described and presented. On page 10, it states, ‘One limitation inherent in any thermite energetic material is the inability of the energetic material to do pressure/volume work on an object. Thermites release energy in the form of heat and light, but are unable to move objects.’"



What Hightower was asking Gage was: “How can a substance be an explosive and not be able to do pressure/volume work on an object – that is, move an object?” Gage responded: “The nanothermite was set in a bed of organic silica, which I believe the authors suggest may provide the explosive pressure/volume work. In addition, I believe that the authors are quite open to the possibility that other more high-energy explosives may have been used.”

Without further characterization, the “bed of organic silica” is not a sufficient explanation, so the possibility is raised that “other more high-energy explosives may have been used.” Surely thermite or nanothermite would become explosive if combined with bona fide explosives. Hightower decided to take an even closer look at the claims advanced on behalf of nanothermite, and has spent several months researching everything he could find in the open literature. Again and again, he found that thermite, even in its nano form, unless combined with high explosives or another high-explosive mechanism, cannot be a high explosive.

So if nanothermite is to be the “smoking gun” of 9/11, it would have had to have been combined with some form of high-power explosives or other high-explosive mechanism to do the job of bringing the buildings down. What was it combined with? By itself, nanothermite cannot have been the sole agent of demolition – it was only another “helper.” By itself, therefore, nanothermite cannot be “explosive evidence,” as AE911 Truth maintains.

There are reasons to believe that the 9/11 movement’s nanothermite experts are actually aware of this problem. For example, during a recent interview (“9/11: Explosive Testimony Exclusive” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lU-vu2JvZY), Niels Harrit explains that nanothermite is built from the atom scale up, which allows for the option of adding other chemicals to make it explosive. He states that the role played by the red-gray chips found in the dust is unknown. But he is convinced, based on observation of the towers’ destruction and the molten metal present, that both explosives and incendiaries were used. It’s just that he and his fellow researchers have not been able to prove that the nanothermitic material they found in the dust has the explosive properties he believes were necessary to accomplish the destruction.

Harrit suggests the use of “a modern military material which is unknown to the general public” as an explanation for the missing pieces to the 9/11 nanothermite puzzle. He urges a new investigation, whereby NIST will test WTC dust samples for remaining explosives and thermitic material. But he also seems to be saying that he and his fellow 9/11 researchers do not consider it worthwhile to pursue further analysis beyond their current findings.

9/11 truthers may agree that (1) if unignited nanothermite was in the WTC dust after the event, it proves a demolition plan of some kind; or (2) if unignited nanothermite was found in the dust after the event, it only proves that nanothermite played some role either on 9/11 or in its aftermath – including the cleanup, which was overseen by the federal and city governments. Those who believe (1) may in fact be satisfied with the lack of conclusive evidence of explosives the discovery of nanothermite presents. Those who agree with (2) are most likely to be unsatisfied by the current state of affairs, and may indeed argue, “We still have no real ‘hard evidence’ proving that the Twin Towers were brought down by explosives.”

We do have visual evidence (videos) that strongly indicate to any discerning viewer that the Twin Towers did not come down by gravitational collapse. However, apart from that, we are still where we started – pursuing different inquiries into how and why the buildings fell the way they did. “Explosive nanothermite” is no firmer a theory than conventional explosives demolition, nuclear demolition, or directed free-energy technology; in fact, it is somewhat misleading and – for that reason alone – probably not the best horse for us to be betting on.
Bullshit...Has nanothermite been oversold to the 9... (show quote)



From your article: "As Hightower observed to Gage, however: “This paper offers no evidence to me that explosive velocities anywhere near that of TNT (22,600 feet per second) can be produced by the nanothermites as described and presented. On page 10, it states, ‘One limitation inherent in any thermite energetic material is the inability of the energetic material to do pressure/volume work on an object. Thermites release energy in the form of heat and light, but are unable to move objects.’"

What Hightower must not have known at the time: At LLNL, government scientists have learned how to combine the exothermic power of the thermite reaction with organic moieties to produce a thermite reaction that can do pressure/volume work (i.e. turn massive quantities of concrete and other building materials into dust).
http://911blogger.com/node/5272

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Apr 24, 2017 17:29:12   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
Henry Ford was a great American patriot.
Ford was one of the first to recognize the crimes of Zionism.
Charles Lindberg also saw the truth behind Zionism's evil plan.
Lindberg made a speech on Sept. 11, 1941, in which he said,

"National polls showed that when England and France declared war on Germany, in 1939, less than 10 percent of our population favored a similar course for America. But there were various groups of people, here and abroad, whose interests and beliefs necessitated the involvement of the United States in the war. I shall point out some of these groups tonight, and outline their methods of procedure. In doing this, I must speak with the utmost frankness, for in order to counteract their efforts, we must know exactly who they are.

The three most important groups who have been pressing this country toward war are the British, the Jewish and the Roosevelt administration.'

http://www.charleslindbergh.com/americanfirst/speech.asp
Henry Ford was a great American patriot. br Ford w... (show quote)





Henry Ford was a Nazi collaborator...he loved little bastards like you... He wanted us to be on Hitler's side... even hard sold the protocols of the elders of Zion bullshit... he finally made a half ass apology for being an asshole...

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Apr 24, 2017 17:37:41   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
From your article: "As Hightower observed to Gage, however: “This paper offers no evidence to me that explosive velocities anywhere near that of TNT (22,600 feet per second) can be produced by the nanothermites as described and presented. On page 10, it states, ‘One limitation inherent in any thermite energetic material is the inability of the energetic material to do pressure/volume work on an object. Thermites release energy in the form of heat and light, but are unable to move objects.’"

What Hightower must not have known at the time: At LLNL, government scientists have learned how to combine the exothermic power of the thermite reaction with organic moieties to produce a thermite reaction that can do pressure/volume work (i.e. turn massive quantities of concrete and other building materials into dust).
http://911blogger.com/node/5272
From your article: i "As Hightower observed ... (show quote)





More bullshit putz... you have to add HMX a very high explosive to Nano thermite to do pressure/volume work ...explode with velocities over 9000M/S ... which would have to be on all beams on all floors to cut steel that large...your fairy tale science is pure bullshit...HMX makes a huge bang putz... one big bang from 1000's of videos that was probably a transformer at best.. notice the part where there were no explosives of any kind in the dust samples putz?

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Apr 24, 2017 17:55:54   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
emarine wrote:
Henry Ford was a Nazi collaborator...he loved little bastards like you... He wanted us to be on Hitler's side... even hard sold the protocols of the elders of Zion bullshit... he finally made a half ass apology for being an asshole...


Hitler was a Zionist/Bankster backed Bastard; killing between 600,000 and 1,000,000 people in his camps. Some use the disproved 6 Million count.

Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky and other Communists (Bolsheviks), backed by the same Banking Cabal, murdered and starved between 100 million and 200 million mostly Christians.
The Result was the USSR.
Who should the USA have sided with?

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Apr 24, 2017 17:58:01   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
More bullshit putz... you have to add HMX a very high explosive to Nano thermite to do pressure/volume work ...explode with velocities over 9000M/S ... which would have to be on all beams on all floors to cut steel that large...your fairy tale science is pure bullshit...HMX makes a huge bang putz... one big bang from 1000's of videos that was probably a transformer at best.. notice the part where there were no explosives of any kind in the dust samples putz?


Where is your source to back up the claims you are making?
Being an anonymous shill blows your credibility enough without you expecting anyone to believe unnamed, unsourced claims.
No explosives in the dust samples? Who examined the dust samples?
The perpetrators controlled the crime scene.

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Apr 24, 2017 18:05:47   #
emarine
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Hitler was a Zionist/Bankster backed Bastard; killing between 600,000 and 1,000,000 people in his camps. Some use the disproved 6 Million count.

Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky and other Communists (Bolsheviks), backed by the same Banking Cabal, murdered and starved between 100 million and 200 million mostly Christians.
The Result was the USSR.
Who should the USA have sided with?




Eagle ford...you have some fuzzy math there...Hitler was responsible for the WW2 deaths not just the camps...

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Apr 24, 2017 18:10:51   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
Where is your source to back up the claims you are making?
Being an anonymous shill blows your credibility enough without you expecting anyone to believe unnamed, unsourced claims.
No explosives in the dust samples? Who examined the dust samples?
The perpetrators controlled the crime scene.




Somewhere your troofers obtained dust samples... that's how the Nano thermite got into the picture... there was no sign of explosives in the samples... I know your identity and you're still always wrong... you choose a 911 blog as your source putz... my sources tare your sources a new asshole putz... you sure you can handle them?...

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Apr 24, 2017 18:13:04   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
emarine wrote:
Eagle ford...you have some fuzzy math there...Hitler was responsible for the WW2 deaths not just the camps...


Time for you to study who backed Hitler, as well as the Bolsheviks.
War is a racket.
The Banking Cabal backed both sides, as always.
Cha-ching, cha-ching.

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Apr 24, 2017 18:16:08   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
Where was the 757 at the Pentagon?
Did the aluminum aircraft totally penetrate the newly beefed-up concrete bunker-like section of the Pentagon where it hit?
There was certainly no 757 on the lawn.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHeYFTPG4KQ
A jetliner such as the Boeing 757 is not made entirely of aluminum. The stresses of high-speed, high altitude flight a jetliner must endure demand considerable strength. All critical connecting parts, such as bolts, nuts, rivets, screws, fasteners are all MilSpec parts. Even the aluminum skin is made of strong alloy.

The keel beams and the wing spars are the strongest components in all aircraft, whether it be a single-engine prop job or a high flying jet. The keel beam and wing spar in a jet liner are made of very strong light weight alloys. The fuselage keel beam made like a very strong spear flying at high speed when it hit the building.

Obviously there was no 757 on the lawn of the Pentagon. The 757 that hit the Pentagon was destroyed, But, there were pieces of the plane all over the place, inside and out.

If you can come up with convincing evidence that what hit the Pentagon was something other than a Boeing 757 jetliner, then do it. So far, after all this time, truthers have failed to provide a shred of such evidence.

"It couldn't have been a 757 because I don't believe it was a 757", doesn't cut it.

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A few of many photos of aircraft wreckage at the Pentagon.
A few of many photos of aircraft wreckage at the P...







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Apr 24, 2017 18:18:42   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
eagleye13 wrote:
War is a racket.
Only in your feeble brain. War has been a human experience since day one, long before there ever was such a thing as a bank.

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Apr 24, 2017 18:20:08   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
payne1000 wrote:
From your article: "As Hightower observed to Gage, however: “This paper offers no evidence to me that explosive velocities anywhere near that of TNT (22,600 feet per second) can be produced by the nanothermites as described and presented. On page 10, it states, ‘One limitation inherent in any thermite energetic material is the inability of the energetic material to do pressure/volume work on an object. Thermites release energy in the form of heat and light, but are unable to move objects.’"

What Hightower must not have known at thetime: At LLNL, government scientists have learned how to combine the exothermic power of the thermite reaction with organic moieties to produce a thermite reaction that can do pressure/volume work (i.e. turn massive quantities of concrete and other building materials into dust).
http://911blogger.com/node/5272
From your article: i "As Hightower observed ... (show quote)


Not quite there yet, hot shot. You really jumped to a big conclusion because your highlights were not what the author was saying. I am giving you the link to the Lawrence Livermore study on Nano-thermite and what they were doing was getting it into a more stable, gel form. The final conclusion was this would be useful in pyrotechnics or propellants. No mention of explosives. Also notice the date of the article - 2004.

http://www.llnl.gov/tid/lof/documents/pdf/307362.pdf

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Apr 24, 2017 18:24:13   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
A jetliner such as the Boeing 757 is not made entirely of aluminum. The stresses of high-speed, high altitude flight a jetliner must endure demand considerable strength. All critical connecting parts, such as bolts, nuts, rivets, screws, fasteners are all MilSpec parts. Even the aluminum skin is made of strong alloy.

The keel beams and the wing spars are the strongest components in all aircraft, whether it be a single-engine prop job or a high flying jet. The keel beam and wing spar in a jet liner are made of very strong light weight alloys. The fuselage keel beam made like a very strong spear flying at high speed when it hit the building.

Obviously there was no 757 on the lawn of the Pentagon. The 757 that hit the Pentagon was destroyed, But, there were pieces of the plane all over the place, inside and out.

If you can come up with convincing evidence that what hit the Pentagon was something other than a Boeing 757 jetliner, then do it. So far, after all this time, truthers have failed to provide a shred of such evidence.

"It couldn't have been a 757 because I don't believe it was a 757", doesn't cut it.

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A jetliner such as the Boeing 757 is not made enti... (show quote)


Where are the wings, tail and engines, after the "plane cartwheeled down the face of the Pentagon?
The "plane" hit the Pentagon at approximately 20 degrees from perpendicular according to official videos.
AND
NO photos of the "plane" hitting the Pentagon. Just a ball of flame. Why?

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Apr 24, 2017 18:34:54   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Hitler was a Zionist/Bankster backed Bastard; killing between 600,000 and 1,000,000 people in his camps. Some use the disproved 6 Million count.

Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky and other Communists (Bolsheviks), backed by the same Banking Cabal, murdered and starved between 100 million and 200 million mostly Christians.
The Result was the USSR.
Who should the USA have sided with?
Man, o man, this is pure psychobabble if I've ever seen it. Hitler a Zionist? Boy, there's a laugh.

It would be beneficial if you got your information from some source other than the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. That piece of shit is an anti-Semitic propagands forgery. It's as phony as a three dollar bill.

Yeah, the Nazis really did murder 6 million Jews, along with millions of others. It's true, but you anti-Semitic freaks just can't get past blaming everything on the Jews. Pathetic, to say the least.

20th Century Democide
Democide: Nazi Genocide and Mass Murder
20,946,000 Victims: Nazi Germany 1933 To 1945

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