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Apr 12, 2017 08:33:58   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
WND RADIO
Trump move 'tremendous victory for America's gun owners'
But ex-NRA chief urges president to 'kill' U.S. signature on U.N. treaty


Former National Rifle Association President David Keene says the Second Amendment dodged a major bullet when the vacant seat on the Supreme Court was filled by Justice Neil Gorsuch, but he warns the threat to gun ownership is far from over.

Keene gives credit to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell for refusing to advance President Obama’s choice of Judge Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court and for doing what was necessary to get Gorsuch confirmed.

“If Garland had won confirmation, that would have reversed the majority favoring the Second Amendment as defined by the founders and as ratified by the Supreme Court in the Heller decision some years ago as an individual right to keep and bear arms,” Keene told WND and Radio America.

“Preventing the Garland confirmation and replacing Antonin Scalia with Justice Gorsuch is a tremendous victory for America’s gun owners, for believers in freedom and for the Second Amendment,” he said.


Keene, who is now opinion editor at the Washington Times and co-author of “Shall Not be Infringed,” firmly believes that the gun issue and the Supreme Court vacancy was a big reason for President Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton and for winning over voters in swing states who had supported Democrats in the past.

But Keene is quick to warn Second Amendment supporters that the fight is not over.

“It does not mean that gun owners can be comfortable in terms of what might happen during the course of the next year or so at the Supreme Court level because it simply re-establishes the majority that existed with Scalia on the court, a very shaky majority,” Keene said.

Listen to the WND/Radio America interview with David Keene:
Setup Timeout Error: Setup took longer than 30 seconds to complete.

Another major threat, he said, comes from Obama’s handiwork in signing on to the United Nations Small Arms Treaty. Even without Senate ratification, Keene said the agreement puts pressure on the U.S. to violate its own Constitution.

“Even if it’s not ratified, under international law, a nation is supposedly prohibited from acting contrary to the spirit and letter of a treaty, even though it has not been ratified through processes within the country itself,” he explained.

The U.S. can ignore the treaty, but Keene is urging decisive action against it.

“It really needs to be killed,” Keene said. “There are two ways to do that. One, the president of the United States has the authority to withdraw this nation’s signature from the treaty. I hope that President Trump will consider doing that. The other way to handle it is for the Senate to bring it up and put a stake through its heart.”

Like the reporting you see here? Sign up for free news alerts from WND.com, America’s independent news network.

Keene said the treaty is just an international version of the gun restrictions that many Democrats want to impose here in the U.S.

“They want bans on so-called assault weapons that are, in fact, semi-automatic weapons rather than real assault weapons,” Keene said. “They want limits on magazines. They want all the things that Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer and Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton wanted here.”

Despite the wind being at the back of gun-rights advocates, Keene said his side must realize that gun-control supporters are never going to to give up.

“They actually believe that if they snap their fingers and if firearms would disappear, there’d no longer be burglaries. There’d no longer be robberies. We’d all live in peace ,and I assume unicorns would dance across the horizon,” he said. “It’s almost a religious fervor with which they go after firearms ownership.”

And Keene said pro-Second Amendment Americans must be equally relentless in protecting their constitutional rights.

“Like most freedoms, this is a freedom that if you don’t stand up for it and if you aren’t wiling to defend it and if you’re not vigilant, it’s liable to disappear on you,” he said.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/trump-move-tremendous-victory-for-americas-gun-owners/#aSlbQZ4cqkE9aMQR.99

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Apr 12, 2017 08:41:16   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
no, I don't think that there is a serious challenge to gun ownership in this country. Nobody has ever come for my revolver. I do however believe that there needs to be a serious effort to keep guns out of the hands of felons and disturbed people. It's not a guarantee that no person will ever start shooting up a public school. but it certainly would help.
no propaganda please wrote:
WND RADIO
Trump move 'tremendous victory for America's gun owners'
But ex-NRA chief urges president to 'kill' U.S. signature on U.N. treaty


Former National Rifle Association President David Keene says the Second Amendment dodged a major bullet when the vacant seat on the Supreme Court was filled by Justice Neil Gorsuch, but he warns the threat to gun ownership is far from over.

Keene gives credit to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell for refusing to advance President Obama’s choice of Judge Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court and for doing what was necessary to get Gorsuch confirmed.

“If Garland had won confirmation, that would have reversed the majority favoring the Second Amendment as defined by the founders and as ratified by the Supreme Court in the Heller decision some years ago as an individual right to keep and bear arms,” Keene told WND and Radio America.

“Preventing the Garland confirmation and replacing Antonin Scalia with Justice Gorsuch is a tremendous victory for America’s gun owners, for believers in freedom and for the Second Amendment,” he said.


Keene, who is now opinion editor at the Washington Times and co-author of “Shall Not be Infringed,” firmly believes that the gun issue and the Supreme Court vacancy was a big reason for President Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton and for winning over voters in swing states who had supported Democrats in the past.

But Keene is quick to warn Second Amendment supporters that the fight is not over.

“It does not mean that gun owners can be comfortable in terms of what might happen during the course of the next year or so at the Supreme Court level because it simply re-establishes the majority that existed with Scalia on the court, a very shaky majority,” Keene said.

Listen to the WND/Radio America interview with David Keene:
Setup Timeout Error: Setup took longer than 30 seconds to complete.

Another major threat, he said, comes from Obama’s handiwork in signing on to the United Nations Small Arms Treaty. Even without Senate ratification, Keene said the agreement puts pressure on the U.S. to violate its own Constitution.

“Even if it’s not ratified, under international law, a nation is supposedly prohibited from acting contrary to the spirit and letter of a treaty, even though it has not been ratified through processes within the country itself,” he explained.

The U.S. can ignore the treaty, but Keene is urging decisive action against it.

“It really needs to be killed,” Keene said. “There are two ways to do that. One, the president of the United States has the authority to withdraw this nation’s signature from the treaty. I hope that President Trump will consider doing that. The other way to handle it is for the Senate to bring it up and put a stake through its heart.”

Like the reporting you see here? Sign up for free news alerts from WND.com, America’s independent news network.

Keene said the treaty is just an international version of the gun restrictions that many Democrats want to impose here in the U.S.

“They want bans on so-called assault weapons that are, in fact, semi-automatic weapons rather than real assault weapons,” Keene said. “They want limits on magazines. They want all the things that Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer and Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton wanted here.”

Despite the wind being at the back of gun-rights advocates, Keene said his side must realize that gun-control supporters are never going to to give up.

“They actually believe that if they snap their fingers and if firearms would disappear, there’d no longer be burglaries. There’d no longer be robberies. We’d all live in peace ,and I assume unicorns would dance across the horizon,” he said. “It’s almost a religious fervor with which they go after firearms ownership.”

And Keene said pro-Second Amendment Americans must be equally relentless in protecting their constitutional rights.

“Like most freedoms, this is a freedom that if you don’t stand up for it and if you aren’t wiling to defend it and if you’re not vigilant, it’s liable to disappear on you,” he said.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/trump-move-tremendous-victory-for-americas-gun-owners/#aSlbQZ4cqkE9aMQR.99
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Apr 12, 2017 09:05:44   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
no propaganda please wrote:
WND RADIO
Trump move 'tremendous victory for America's gun owners'
But ex-NRA chief urges president to 'kill' U.S. signature on U.N. treaty


Former National Rifle Association President David Keene says the Second Amendment dodged a major bullet when the vacant seat on the Supreme Court was filled by Justice Neil Gorsuch, but he warns the threat to gun ownership is far from over.

Keene gives credit to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell for refusing to advance President Obama’s choice of Judge Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court and for doing what was necessary to get Gorsuch confirmed.

“If Garland had won confirmation, that would have reversed the majority favoring the Second Amendment as defined by the founders and as ratified by the Supreme Court in the Heller decision some years ago as an individual right to keep and bear arms,” Keene told WND and Radio America.

“Preventing the Garland confirmation and replacing Antonin Scalia with Justice Gorsuch is a tremendous victory for America’s gun owners, for believers in freedom and for the Second Amendment,” he said.


Keene, who is now opinion editor at the Washington Times and co-author of “Shall Not be Infringed,” firmly believes that the gun issue and the Supreme Court vacancy was a big reason for President Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton and for winning over voters in swing states who had supported Democrats in the past.

But Keene is quick to warn Second Amendment supporters that the fight is not over.

“It does not mean that gun owners can be comfortable in terms of what might happen during the course of the next year or so at the Supreme Court level because it simply re-establishes the majority that existed with Scalia on the court, a very shaky majority,” Keene said.

Listen to the WND/Radio America interview with David Keene:
Setup Timeout Error: Setup took longer than 30 seconds to complete.

Another major threat, he said, comes from Obama’s handiwork in signing on to the United Nations Small Arms Treaty. Even without Senate ratification, Keene said the agreement puts pressure on the U.S. to violate its own Constitution.

“Even if it’s not ratified, under international law, a nation is supposedly prohibited from acting contrary to the spirit and letter of a treaty, even though it has not been ratified through processes within the country itself,” he explained.

The U.S. can ignore the treaty, but Keene is urging decisive action against it.

“It really needs to be killed,” Keene said. “There are two ways to do that. One, the president of the United States has the authority to withdraw this nation’s signature from the treaty. I hope that President Trump will consider doing that. The other way to handle it is for the Senate to bring it up and put a stake through its heart.”

Like the reporting you see here? Sign up for free news alerts from WND.com, America’s independent news network.

Keene said the treaty is just an international version of the gun restrictions that many Democrats want to impose here in the U.S.

“They want bans on so-called assault weapons that are, in fact, semi-automatic weapons rather than real assault weapons,” Keene said. “They want limits on magazines. They want all the things that Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer and Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton wanted here.”

Despite the wind being at the back of gun-rights advocates, Keene said his side must realize that gun-control supporters are never going to to give up.

“They actually believe that if they snap their fingers and if firearms would disappear, there’d no longer be burglaries. There’d no longer be robberies. We’d all live in peace ,and I assume unicorns would dance across the horizon,” he said. “It’s almost a religious fervor with which they go after firearms ownership.”

And Keene said pro-Second Amendment Americans must be equally relentless in protecting their constitutional rights.

“Like most freedoms, this is a freedom that if you don’t stand up for it and if you aren’t wiling to defend it and if you’re not vigilant, it’s liable to disappear on you,” he said.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/trump-move-tremendous-victory-for-americas-gun-owners/#aSlbQZ4cqkE9aMQR.99
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"Lefty," npp, is going absolutely bonkers. President Trump (R), is on a mission from God, hardly sleeps, and is just like the weather; nothing his (D)etractors have to say about his daily agenda has the slightest impact. Now they are trying to remove support from conservative "alternative" media's like FOX and "Talk Radio," but they are about 8 years too-late. And exercising that same option a few years ago to knock Glenn Beck off-the-air, 5 hours a week, put Glenn into a 24/7/365 "alternative" agenda. GOOOOOOOOOOOOO "Giorgi!!!"
I do wish Glenn would get off the "bash Trump" campaign, and I completely stopped listening to Glenn, {and "lefty"}, because it sounds the same. Too bad. No one else in the world could-have beaten the liberal progressive machine, especially with all of the RINO'S who have now gone full-blown radical Marx/Alinsky (D), on "US," and don't seem to realize how urgent "(D)RAINING THE {RADICAL SECULAR LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE "LEFTY"} SWAMP," has become. To concede to the tyranny that was {and is} upon "US," would certainly complete the radical Marx/Alinsky "fundamental transformation," that "lefty" has been feverishly working, 24/7/365, for 120 years, to shove (D)own-our-throats like "OBAMACARE!!!" Hummmmmmmmmmmm. What is that "crushing" noise??? GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CONSERVATIVE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE NEIL GORSUCH; GOOOOOOOOOOOOO CONSERVATIVE SHERIFFS DAVID CLARKE AND JOE ARPAIO; GOOOOOOOOOOOOO REP. TREY GOWDY (R); and, GOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP (R); JUST LIKE THE WEATHER!!!

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Apr 12, 2017 10:00:03   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Yaaawn. Really? Like their isn't enough gun laws? Just enforce the ones on the books for a start. Just so you know snowflake, there are no guarantees in life except death and taxes. Try packing your gun and then visit all fifty states and then tell me their is no attack on gun rights.
saltwind 78 wrote:
no, I don't think that there is a serious challenge to gun ownership in this country. Nobody has ever come for my revolver. I do however believe that there needs to be a serious effort to keep guns out of the hands of felons and disturbed people. It's not a guarantee that no person will ever start shooting up a public school. but it certainly would help.

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Apr 12, 2017 15:50:17   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
no propaganda please wrote:
WND RADIO
Trump move 'tremendous victory for America's gun owners'
But ex-NRA chief urges president to 'kill' U.S. signature on U.N. treaty


Former National Rifle Association President David Keene says the Second Amendment dodged a major bullet when the vacant seat on the Supreme Court was filled by Justice Neil Gorsuch, but he warns the threat to gun ownership is far from over.

Keene gives credit to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell for refusing to advance President Obama’s choice of Judge Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court and for doing what was necessary to get Gorsuch confirmed.

“If Garland had won confirmation, that would have reversed the majority favoring the Second Amendment as defined by the founders and as ratified by the Supreme Court in the Heller decision some years ago as an individual right to keep and bear arms,” Keene told WND and Radio America.

“Preventing the Garland confirmation and replacing Antonin Scalia with Justice Gorsuch is a tremendous victory for America’s gun owners, for believers in freedom and for the Second Amendment,” he said.


Keene, who is now opinion editor at the Washington Times and co-author of “Shall Not be Infringed,” firmly believes that the gun issue and the Supreme Court vacancy was a big reason for President Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton and for winning over voters in swing states who had supported Democrats in the past.

But Keene is quick to warn Second Amendment supporters that the fight is not over.

“It does not mean that gun owners can be comfortable in terms of what might happen during the course of the next year or so at the Supreme Court level because it simply re-establishes the majority that existed with Scalia on the court, a very shaky majority,” Keene said.

Listen to the WND/Radio America interview with David Keene:
Setup Timeout Error: Setup took longer than 30 seconds to complete.

Another major threat, he said, comes from Obama’s handiwork in signing on to the United Nations Small Arms Treaty. Even without Senate ratification, Keene said the agreement puts pressure on the U.S. to violate its own Constitution.

“Even if it’s not ratified, under international law, a nation is supposedly prohibited from acting contrary to the spirit and letter of a treaty, even though it has not been ratified through processes within the country itself,” he explained.

The U.S. can ignore the treaty, but Keene is urging decisive action against it.

“It really needs to be killed,” Keene said. “There are two ways to do that. One, the president of the United States has the authority to withdraw this nation’s signature from the treaty. I hope that President Trump will consider doing that. The other way to handle it is for the Senate to bring it up and put a stake through its heart.”

Like the reporting you see here? Sign up for free news alerts from WND.com, America’s independent news network.

Keene said the treaty is just an international version of the gun restrictions that many Democrats want to impose here in the U.S.

“They want bans on so-called assault weapons that are, in fact, semi-automatic weapons rather than real assault weapons,” Keene said. “They want limits on magazines. They want all the things that Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer and Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton wanted here.”

Despite the wind being at the back of gun-rights advocates, Keene said his side must realize that gun-control supporters are never going to to give up.

“They actually believe that if they snap their fingers and if firearms would disappear, there’d no longer be burglaries. There’d no longer be robberies. We’d all live in peace ,and I assume unicorns would dance across the horizon,” he said. “It’s almost a religious fervor with which they go after firearms ownership.”

And Keene said pro-Second Amendment Americans must be equally relentless in protecting their constitutional rights.

“Like most freedoms, this is a freedom that if you don’t stand up for it and if you aren’t wiling to defend it and if you’re not vigilant, it’s liable to disappear on you,” he said.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/trump-move-tremendous-victory-for-americas-gun-owners/#aSlbQZ4cqkE9aMQR.99
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I just wonder if folks fear for their gun ownership rights, would be as frenzied, if there were no NRA? There has never been a single piece of legislation proposed that would eliminate gun ownership, not from any lawmaker from any party, yet, every piece of legislation designed to keep legal firearms out of the hands of illegal people - has been met with a frenzy of NRA propaganda - and led to markedly increased gun sales - and NRA income.

It's becoming pretty clear that all threats of gun reductions or limitations, are manufactured, false flag events - to increase gun sales and NRA income.

We're being played here folks.

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Apr 12, 2017 16:09:21   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
More lies! You're good at it.
lpnmajor wrote:
I just wonder if folks fear for their gun ownership rights, would be as frenzied, if there were no NRA? There has never been a single piece of legislation proposed that would eliminate gun ownership, not from any lawmaker from any party, yet, every piece of legislation designed to keep legal firearms out of the hands of illegal people - has been met with a frenzy of NRA propaganda - and led to markedly increased gun sales - and NRA income.

It's becoming pretty clear that all threats of gun reductions or limitations, are manufactured, false flag events - to increase gun sales and NRA income.

We're being played here folks.
I just wonder if folks fear for their gun ownershi... (show quote)

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Apr 12, 2017 16:20:13   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
lpnmajor wrote:
I just wonder if folks fear for their gun ownership rights, would be as frenzied, if there were no NRA? There has never been a single piece of legislation proposed that would eliminate gun ownership, not from any lawmaker from any party, yet, every piece of legislation designed to keep legal firearms out of the hands of illegal people - has been met with a frenzy of NRA propaganda - and led to markedly increased gun sales - and NRA income.

It's becoming pretty clear that all threats of gun reductions or limitations, are manufactured, false flag events - to increase gun sales and NRA income.

We're being played here folks.
I just wonder if folks fear for their gun ownershi... (show quote)
Wrong. There have been many proposed bills, most at state level, to ban gun ownership entirely--always in blue states--CA, IL, NY, and MD are the worst. There have been many attempts to ban semi-auto firearms--Bill Clinton's ban on the so-called "assault rifle" eventually proved a disaster. There have been both successful and failed attempts to ban "high cap" magazines and even ammunition.

Have you ever heard of the "Boiling Frog" analogy? Or, the Chinese death of a thousand cuts?

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Apr 13, 2017 05:24:36   #
Snoopy
 
lpnmajor wrote:
I just wonder if folks fear for their gun ownership rights, would be as frenzied, if there were no NRA? There has never been a single piece of legislation proposed that would eliminate gun ownership, not from any lawmaker from any party, yet, every piece of legislation designed to keep legal firearms out of the hands of illegal people - has been met with a frenzy of NRA propaganda - and led to markedly increased gun sales - and NRA income.

It's becoming pretty clear that all threats of gun reductions or limitations, are manufactured, false flag events - to increase gun sales and NRA income.

We're being played here folks.
I just wonder if folks fear for their gun ownershi... (show quote)



Ion:

Do some research on the actions and proposals made by Diane Feinstein.

Snoopy

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Apr 13, 2017 06:09:31   #
tri-states
 
Lock and load with hog fat lubed ammo,before it's too late!!!
I love my country, but fear my government!!!

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Apr 13, 2017 06:14:32   #
Dr. Evil Loc: In Your Face
 
Snoopy wrote:
Ion:

Do some research on the actions and proposals made by Diane Feinstein.

Snoopy


Feinstein, Pelosi, Waters, etc. Proof that money can buy power but not brains.

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Apr 13, 2017 07:53:04   #
swsfraser
 
Judge Garland was not against the 2nd Amendment and he would not have shifted anything away from gun ownership. In fact, I don't know anyone who opposes gun ownership. I used to have one and enjoyed target practicing and shooting bowling pins, melons and barbies.
I have a large dog and she is really sweet- but, other people don't know my dog, they don't know if she is mean or friendly- so when we are walking and we come near children or a pregnant woman or older people, I am always respectful and aware they may not love my dog or feel safe- so I make a broad detour around those people... Its called "respect" and respectful of other people and their right to feel safe to walk down the same sidewalk.
I don't care if you carry a gun- but I do care if you are in a grocery store or ice cream shop with a rifle(s) or on a low-slung gun belt like Festus from Gunsmoke- I don't know you. I don't know if you're a disgruntled employee or just plain crazy, or you may be an off-duty cop. How am I supposed to know? Why should I feel safe because YOU have a gun walking down the sidewalk in front of my home? The second amendment doesn't say you can have any type of gun you want, doesn't say you can take it anywhere you want. The heart of the 2nd Amendment had to do with our new country not having a military and the need for citizens to be able to rise up quickly within a WELL ORGANIZED MILITIA. It may be a "right" but it is also a bloody responsibility and there is absolutely no sensible reason to not have a written test or a required saftey course, no reason there can't be background checks, no reason there can't be waiting periods. There NRA used to be a gun club for hunting and target shooting for sport- they taught gun safety and held tournaments. Today, its an enormous lobbying power- the biggest special interest in the history of our country. The NRA primarily represents the gun industry- manufacturers and retailers. Their #1 priority is profits. Between 2005 - 2015, 71 Americans were killed by Muslim terrorists in the U.S. During that same time period- 301,797 Americans were killed in the US from gun violence and accidental shootings (suicides excluded). In 2005 a toddler shot themselves or another person on average of 1 per week. 13 TODDLERS accidentally killed themselves, 18 Toddlers injured, 10 other people injured, and 2 dead.
After every single mass shooting, gun sales went up earning big profits for manufacturers and retailers, which means the NRA also took in more money, which means the NRA had more money to "donate" to the campaigns of politicians. So, after each mass shooting, including Sandy Hook, republican congressmen issued statements of "sending our thoughts and prayers" and blocked every single proposed gun legislation. Its about money.
So, 71 dead from islamic terrorists- and people are scared out of their socks- but you are more likely to get struck by lightening, killed in a car accident or crushed by your own furniture falling on you than you are to be killed by a terrorist. However, the odds of being killed by a right-wing extremist- that's a bigger threat.

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Apr 13, 2017 08:23:34   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
no, I don't think that there is a serious challenge to gun ownership in this country. Nobody has ever come for my revolver. I do however believe that there needs to be a serious effort to keep guns out of the hands of felons and disturbed people. It's not a guarantee that no person will ever start shooting up a public school. but it certainly would help.


Let's see....in 2013, there were more than 76,000 stops on individuals attempting to buy guns. The BATFE, tasked with enforcing this country's gun laws, prosecuted less than 100 of these, and got less than 30 convictions. I think the actual number was 27. so now they support more laws that they can't or won't enforce. Even other agents in the Treasury Department comment on the BATFE's "cowboy tactics. Liberal want stricter gun control, and they want it placed in the hands of a bureaucracy that is almost on a par with the IRS for abuses of power. BATFE agents are almost never prosecuted or disciplined for their own law breaking. They are so busy trying to catch honest people making a mistake due to ignorance of a law that they have no time to prosecute criminals. Especially since so many of the criminals work for the BATFE. There is a growing movement in congress to abolish the agency and place it's duties in the hands of some other agency that has shown more honesty and competence. Not only are gun control laws mostly ineffective, you Liberals want them pseudo-enforced by ham-handed, incompetent and in many cases dishonest agents who commit worse crimes than the ones they are prosecuting.

http://cleanupatf.org/mission.html

http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/individ.html

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-16-552

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/25187-atf-elimination-act-re-introduced-in-the-house

http://www.nfaoa.org/documents/ATFclassaction.pdf

Since it's creation by Jimmuh Cahtuh the BATFE has been synonymous with abuse after abuse of power, and egregious lawbreaking many times worse than what they prosecute.

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Apr 13, 2017 08:47:20   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Just once I wish you government loving liberals would get something right. You are one hundred percent wrong about Garland.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/05/01/merrick-garland-guns-supreme-court-second-amendment-column/83670044/


swsfraser wrote:
Judge Garland was not against the 2nd Amendment and he would not have shifted anything away from gun ownership. In fact, I don't know anyone who opposes gun ownership. I used to have one and enjoyed target practicing and shooting bowling pins, melons and barbies.
I have a large dog and she is really sweet- but, other people don't know my dog, they don't know if she is mean or friendly- so when we are walking and we come near children or a pregnant woman or older people, I am always respectful and aware they may not love my dog or feel safe- so I make a broad detour around those people... Its called "respect" and respectful of other people and their right to feel safe to walk down the same sidewalk.
I don't care if you carry a gun- but I do care if you are in a grocery store or ice cream shop with a rifle(s) or on a low-slung gun belt like Festus from Gunsmoke- I don't know you. I don't know if you're a disgruntled employee or just plain crazy, or you may be an off-duty cop. How am I supposed to know? Why should I feel safe because YOU have a gun walking down the sidewalk in front of my home? The second amendment doesn't say you can have any type of gun you want, doesn't say you can take it anywhere you want. The heart of the 2nd Amendment had to do with our new country not having a military and the need for citizens to be able to rise up quickly within a WELL ORGANIZED MILITIA. It may be a "right" but it is also a bloody responsibility and there is absolutely no sensible reason to not have a written test or a required saftey course, no reason there can't be background checks, no reason there can't be waiting periods. There NRA used to be a gun club for hunting and target shooting for sport- they taught gun safety and held tournaments. Today, its an enormous lobbying power- the biggest special interest in the history of our country. The NRA primarily represents the gun industry- manufacturers and retailers. Their #1 priority is profits. Between 2005 - 2015, 71 Americans were killed by Muslim terrorists in the U.S. During that same time period- 301,797 Americans were killed in the US from gun violence and accidental shootings (suicides excluded). In 2005 a toddler shot themselves or another person on average of 1 per week. 13 TODDLERS accidentally killed themselves, 18 Toddlers injured, 10 other people injured, and 2 dead.
After every single mass shooting, gun sales went up earning big profits for manufacturers and retailers, which means the NRA also took in more money, which means the NRA had more money to "donate" to the campaigns of politicians. So, after each mass shooting, including Sandy Hook, republican congressmen issued statements of "sending our thoughts and prayers" and blocked every single proposed gun legislation. Its about money.
So, 71 dead from islamic terrorists- and people are scared out of their socks- but you are more likely to get struck by lightening, killed in a car accident or crushed by your own furniture falling on you than you are to be killed by a terrorist. However, the odds of being killed by a right-wing extremist- that's a bigger threat.
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Apr 13, 2017 08:48:55   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
One more thing. Name one gun law not on the books that would have stopped Sandy Hook.
swsfraser wrote:
Judge Garland was not against the 2nd Amendment and he would not have shifted anything away from gun ownership. In fact, I don't know anyone who opposes gun ownership. I used to have one and enjoyed target practicing and shooting bowling pins, melons and barbies.
I have a large dog and she is really sweet- but, other people don't know my dog, they don't know if she is mean or friendly- so when we are walking and we come near children or a pregnant woman or older people, I am always respectful and aware they may not love my dog or feel safe- so I make a broad detour around those people... Its called "respect" and respectful of other people and their right to feel safe to walk down the same sidewalk.
I don't care if you carry a gun- but I do care if you are in a grocery store or ice cream shop with a rifle(s) or on a low-slung gun belt like Festus from Gunsmoke- I don't know you. I don't know if you're a disgruntled employee or just plain crazy, or you may be an off-duty cop. How am I supposed to know? Why should I feel safe because YOU have a gun walking down the sidewalk in front of my home? The second amendment doesn't say you can have any type of gun you want, doesn't say you can take it anywhere you want. The heart of the 2nd Amendment had to do with our new country not having a military and the need for citizens to be able to rise up quickly within a WELL ORGANIZED MILITIA. It may be a "right" but it is also a bloody responsibility and there is absolutely no sensible reason to not have a written test or a required saftey course, no reason there can't be background checks, no reason there can't be waiting periods. There NRA used to be a gun club for hunting and target shooting for sport- they taught gun safety and held tournaments. Today, its an enormous lobbying power- the biggest special interest in the history of our country. The NRA primarily represents the gun industry- manufacturers and retailers. Their #1 priority is profits. Between 2005 - 2015, 71 Americans were killed by Muslim terrorists in the U.S. During that same time period- 301,797 Americans were killed in the US from gun violence and accidental shootings (suicides excluded). In 2005 a toddler shot themselves or another person on average of 1 per week. 13 TODDLERS accidentally killed themselves, 18 Toddlers injured, 10 other people injured, and 2 dead.
After every single mass shooting, gun sales went up earning big profits for manufacturers and retailers, which means the NRA also took in more money, which means the NRA had more money to "donate" to the campaigns of politicians. So, after each mass shooting, including Sandy Hook, republican congressmen issued statements of "sending our thoughts and prayers" and blocked every single proposed gun legislation. Its about money.
So, 71 dead from islamic terrorists- and people are scared out of their socks- but you are more likely to get struck by lightening, killed in a car accident or crushed by your own furniture falling on you than you are to be killed by a terrorist. However, the odds of being killed by a right-wing extremist- that's a bigger threat.
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Apr 13, 2017 09:29:32   #
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swsfraser wrote:
Judge Garland was not against the 2nd Amendment and he would not have shifted anything away from gun ownership. In fact, I don't know anyone who opposes gun ownership. I used to have one and enjoyed target practicing and shooting bowling pins, melons and barbies.
I have a large dog and she is really sweet- but, other people don't know my dog, they don't know if she is mean or friendly- so when we are walking and we come near children or a pregnant woman or older people, I am always respectful and aware they may not love my dog or feel safe- so I make a broad detour around those people... Its called "respect" and respectful of other people and their right to feel safe to walk down the same sidewalk.
I don't care if you carry a gun- but I do care if you are in a grocery store or ice cream shop with a rifle(s) or on a low-slung gun belt like Festus from Gunsmoke- I don't know you. I don't know if you're a disgruntled employee or just plain crazy, or you may be an off-duty cop. How am I supposed to know? Why should I feel safe because YOU have a gun walking down the sidewalk in front of my home? The second amendment doesn't say you can have any type of gun you want, doesn't say you can take it anywhere you want. The heart of the 2nd Amendment had to do with our new country not having a military and the need for citizens to be able to rise up quickly within a WELL ORGANIZED MILITIA. It may be a "right" but it is also a bloody responsibility and there is absolutely no sensible reason to not have a written test or a required saftey course, no reason there can't be background checks, no reason there can't be waiting periods. There NRA used to be a gun club for hunting and target shooting for sport- they taught gun safety and held tournaments. Today, its an enormous lobbying power- the biggest special interest in the history of our country. The NRA primarily represents the gun industry- manufacturers and retailers. Their #1 priority is profits. Between 2005 - 2015, 71 Americans were killed by Muslim terrorists in the U.S. During that same time period- 301,797 Americans were killed in the US from gun violence and accidental shootings (suicides excluded). In 2005 a toddler shot themselves or another person on average of 1 per week. 13 TODDLERS accidentally killed themselves, 18 Toddlers injured, 10 other people injured, and 2 dead.
After every single mass shooting, gun sales went up earning big profits for manufacturers and retailers, which means the NRA also took in more money, which means the NRA had more money to "donate" to the campaigns of politicians. So, after each mass shooting, including Sandy Hook, republican congressmen issued statements of "sending our thoughts and prayers" and blocked every single proposed gun legislation. Its about money.
So, 71 dead from islamic terrorists- and people are scared out of their socks- but you are more likely to get struck by lightening, killed in a car accident or crushed by your own furniture falling on you than you are to be killed by a terrorist. However, the odds of being killed by a right-wing extremist- that's a bigger threat.
Judge Garland was not against the 2nd Amendment an... (show quote)


Well said. But I'll go a step further; people who have the need to carry guns openly in public are not to be trusted. It's either paranoia or exhibitionist behavior, which makes them the sort of people who should be thoroughly vetted before they get a gun.
They do not believe in freedom. They believe in license, and I've found few of them who know any parts of the Constitution except the second half of the second article. Do you really think the language about a militia is adventitious? Most of the "packin'" advocates are Repugnican, who claim they believe in "original intent." How about the shaky Constitutional status of a standing army? The entire USA PATRIOT Act is an insult to the Constitution which these "freedom" advocates support full-throatedly.

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