Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

So you're not blaming Global Warming for Polar Bear overpopulation?

That's a start.

straightUp Loc: California

I don't even think it's that. I think they just can't bear the thought of admitting that liberals sometimes get it right. I've been noticing that the less fanatical Republicans start giving in once they are confronted with the reality of the issue. I mentioned that even Trump has admitted that it "probably" is real and that it's "possible" that it might have something to do with emissions, although he will take route where he will say the impact is so minimal and jobs so much more important... But as a businessman he was never confronted with the issue directly and he was able to swim in his fantasies about Chinese plots.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Some CFR commentary
http://www.alpheus.org/html/source_materials/parapolitics/CFR_NWO.htm

The 3,000 seats of the CFR quickly filled with members of America's elite. Today,CFR members occupy key positions in government, the mass media, financial institutions, multinational corporations, the military, and the national security apparatus.
Since its inception, the CFR has served as an intermediary between high finance, big oil, corporate elitists and the U.S. government. The executive branch changes hands between Republican and Democratic administrations, but cabinet seats are always held by CFR members. It has been said by political commentators on the left and on the right that if you want to know what U.S. foreign policy will be next year, you should read Foreign Affairs this year.
The CFR's claim that "The Council has no affiliation with the U.S. government" is laughable. The justification for that statement is that funding comes from member dues, subscriptions to its Corporate Program, foundation grants, and so forth. All this really means is that the U.S. government does not exert any control over the CFR via the purse strings.
In reality, CFR members are very tightly affiliated with the U.S. government. Since 1940, every U.S. secretary of state (except for Gov. James Byrnes of South Carolina, the sole exception) has been a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and/or its younger brother, the Trilateral Commission. Also since 1940, every secretary of war and every secretary of defense has been a CFR member. During most of its existence, the Central Intelligence Agency has been headed by CFR members, beginning with CFR founding member Allen Dulles. Virtually every key U.S. national security and foreign policy adviser has been a CFR member for the past seventy years.
Almost all White House cabinet positions are occupied by CFR members. President Clinton, himself a member of the CFR, the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group, employs almost one hundred CFR members in his administration. Presidents come and go, but the CFR's power--and agenda--always remains.
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The CFR's Shroud of Secrecy - On its web page, the CFR boasts that its magazine, Foreign Affairs, "is acclaimed for its analysis of recent international developments and for its forecasts of emerging trends." It's not much of a challenge to do so, though, when you play a part in determining what those emerging trends will be.
This point is underscored a paragraph later on their web page: "Perhaps best known for the history-making "X" article by George Kennan, that defined Cold War containment policy, a recent Foreign Affairs article by Harvard's Samuel Huntington, "The Clash of Civilizations?" has already helped define the post-Cold War debate."
So are they predicting trends or creating them? The answer is fairly obvious to anyone who has earnestly reflected on the matter.
The CFR fancies itself to represent a diverse range cultural and political interests, but its members are predominantly wealthy males, and their policies reflect their elitist biases. The CFR attempts to maintain the charade of diversity via its Non-Attribution Rule, which allows members to engage in "a free, frank, and open exchange of ideas" without fear of having any of their statements attributed in public. The flip side of this, obviously, is a dark cloud of secrecy which envelopes the CFR's activities.
CFR meetings are usually held in secret and are restricted to members and very select guests. All members are free to express themselves at meetings unrestrained, because the Non-Attribution Rule guarantees that "others will not attribute or characterize their statements in public media forums or knowingly transmit them to persons who will," according to the Council on Foreign Relations' 1992 Annual Report.
The report goes on to forbid any meeting participant "to publish a speaker's statement in attributed form in any newspaper; to repeat it on television or radio, or on a speaker's platform, or in a classroom; or to go beyond a memo of limited circulation."
The end result is that the only information the public has on the CFR is the information they release for public consumption, which should send up red flags for anyone who understands the immense effect that CFR directives have on America's foreign policy. The public knows what the CFR wants the public to know about the CFR, and nothing more. There is one hole in the fog of secrecy, however: a book entitled Tragedy and Hope, written by an "insider" named Dr. Carroll Quigley, mentor of Bill Clinton.
Google: “Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral, Commission, Bilderberg Group”

son of witless

" I see... so dirt is the measure of a person's worthiness. I guess that means the doctors that bust their asses fixing people but insist on washing their manicured ladyfingers aren't worth shit, right? But all hail to the ditch digger. "

I never worked in the coal industry, but I worked with coal in a rust belt industry. I was blacker en Barak Obama at the end of my shift. Sometimes suits would come through and we always felt a working man hero type of superiority over them. Since they had the power to fire us we did not give them a dust up. If outsiders in clean clothes came into our world they would get covered in black dirt. How dare they come in and think they were going to stay clean. So hell yes, the willingness to get dirty is the measure of the man.

I like doctors who are willing to get blood and gore on them. Especially Veterinarians. I watch Dr. Pol on TV. I respect anyone who will do what I won't. Even I would not stick my arm all the way up a cow's butt to pull out a stuck calf.

As far as Global Warming here is my stock answer. Stock because I have given this song for many years now. Global Warming is a Communist plot to harm the United States. Now lets us delve into this closer. If there was Global Warming, what would you do about it, no really?

Lets say there is Global Warming. Now if you really really believed it what would you do about it? You wouldn't do what Obama, Gore, Hillary, and the other Liberals have done. Green energy is not the answer. If I believed in Global Warming I would push for two things that no Liberal would ever advocate.

First, the number one energy source to combat Carbon emission caused Global Warming is, wait for it, , , wait for it, , , , , , , , Nuclear Power. Nuclear Power is a proven cost effective answer to a lot of Carbon Based energy. Nuclear has the efficiency and scalability that wind and solar lack. So in conclusion, since most liberals hate nuclear even more than fossil fuel, they are not serious about Global Warming.

Second, what is the number one cause of Man Caused Global Warming? Duh, it is Man. More human beings, more man caused Global Warming. Now if you wanted to stop Man Caused Global Warming, you would be against illegal immigration into America. No Liberal is against illegal immigration. Do not laugh, my logic is unassailable. The US is no where near close to it's maximum population carrying capacity. Most of the third World is. No matter how many millions come to America, They are quickly replaced in their native lands. If they stay where they are that population is stable because the death and birth rate are in balance.

Only in America do you have a net population increase and therefore a net World population increase. More people, more Global Warming. More illegals, more Global Warming.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Excellent. They have no answer. None. So they act holier than though and do the same things the rest of us do. They drive. They fly. They buy houses larger than they need, but giving our tax dollars to some third world dictator makes them feel good. Idiots.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Shrouds of secrecy?

On it's web page?

Do you even realize how silly you are?

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

Try using your brain. If you sell a product for a dollar and I sell a comparable product for half a buck, you're done. And you want to.blame talk radio?

You go ahead and pay double if you want. Few others do.

Try talking to the residents of Boone County WV. Coal country. 81% unemployment thanks to regulations.

They are now gearing up to go back to work. Trump reinvigorating manufacturing will dramatically increase demand for coal. He may have to hold some back and not sell all the new production to China.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

Clear your little mind and focus.

How coal is used is irrelevant, although.new factories will use it, but selling it to China REQUIRES ITS MINING. Get it? JOBS FOR MINORS.

Are you actually this dense that you're hung up on how it's used? Who cares? Let the Chinese use it in backyard grills to cook dinner. Let them pile it up and take photos. Who cares as long as its mining puts 60,000 minors back to work? With that much production they will need MORE people as handlers even for surface mining. How do you think the material gets sorted loaded and transported? Magic?? Just separating overburden takes manpower. And that is just strip mining. There is more to it doing the 4 other types of mining. Just mountain top mining takes a horde of people.

Learn!

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

What is "metrology"?

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

Considering the last democratic administration doubled our debt and out spent every one prior combined, I'd say the republicans are far more responsible. But at least you admit democrats raise taxes.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

The comment about Japanese surviving the atom bomb is a non sequitur. I know you are making a point but the fact is that the two bombs dropped on Japan were around 15--20 kilitons each if actually not less. That is to say they discharged the equivalent of 15--20 thousands of tons of TNT each. That was devastating on a local scale but not national.

Today's hydrogen bombs are rated in megatons. Millions of tons of TNT. That of course would make Japan even more nervous regarding N. Korea although I don't know the power of what nuclear capability they have. If any nation would be leery of nukes it would be Japan.

I have heard talk of Trump giving Japan nukes. That would be a mistake even if they accepted.

PeterS

No, polar bears like to have sex like all mammals. Combine that with no conservatives killing them and you create a population boom. Global warming comes from the unrestrained use of hydrocarbons for energy.

PeterS

Oh come now, a few years back the conservative meme was global warming is real only it's a natural event so nothing can be done about it. Now they are ignoring that and have reverted to the tried and true notion that it's a left wing conspiracy and all part of LW fake news. Conservatives live in a world created out of logical fallacies and whoever controls the meme controls what conservatives believe. They are like little puppies and if you scratch their back just right their rear leg fly's up and they start scratching their ears. Because the lack the ability to intellectually control themselves they tend to believe whatever they are told. And any conservative who does, by chance, know how to think critically for themselves is ostracized and outcast as a RINO and politically ignored.

And understand, Trump has no ideology. He's a populist and espouses anything that will make him more popular among his base. That wouldn't work with liberals because we can think critically so he had to apply his trade on conservatives who are prime territory of his type of populist con--say the right words and their little puppy legs fly up and they start frantically scratching their ears. If it wasn't so sad it would be down right hysterical...

PeterS

Doc, you talk like you hadn't heard a word he said. Somehow I'm not at all surprised...

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

You talk like you didn't read a word I said.

I said I know he was making a point. That means I'm not arguing the point.

He made a comment about the Japanese surviving atomic bombs. I clarified it by saying those bombs were firecrackers compared to today.

In other words, 2 circa 20 kiloton explosions cause only local damage therefore the comment regarding surviving them is senseless or a non sequitur because they were not extinction level devices on the national scale. Surviving them is a no brainer.

You look for something to lip off about so eagerly you don't bother to think.

If I need to write as if I'm lecturing a 6 year old when I post to you, just say so.