One Political Plaza - Home of politics
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main
Repeal and replace? not going to happen
Page <<first <prev 6 of 7 next>
Mar 26, 2017 14:33:59   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Buffalo, the salaries of the CEOs to run a corporation with 20,000 employees must reflect their responsibility.
Why does it take 20,000 employees to calculate the cost of children's "essential" glasses for $200 dollars at Walmart?

Why pay $14,000 dollars per year for Cadillac Obamacare health insurance when you could pay $1,000 annually for catastrophic health insurance purchased across state lines and open a Health Savings Account for the small stuff?

Do you know that before Obamacare, there were over 1,700 health insurance companies to choose from in America, it's just that the 1945 McCarran-Fergusson Act put them all under the restrictions of the Interstate Commerce Clause so we could not shop across all state borders.

What went down at that big conference Trump held in the Oval Office with the CEOs of those Health Insurance Companies two weeks ago?
Something is going on. Why are we stalling fixing the spiraling down crash of the insurance industry? Trump does not want the Public Option; remember he is a capitalist of the highest order.
Go figure. Is he playing hardball with the stupid politicians?

Interview with Senator Mike Lee of Utah.
Senate Parliamentarian Seems Open to Robust Obamacare Repeal
by Deroy Murdock March 23, 2017
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446034/obamacare-repeal-senate-parliamentarian-rules-allow-house-republicans
Buffalo, the salaries of the CEOs to run a corpora... (show quote)


BULLSHIT!! Health INSURANCE corporations CEO pay is not based on employee management. It is based on their ability to maximize profits and stock values and dividends to stock holders.

According to Health Plan Week, a trade publication, the CEOs of the 11 largest for-profit companies were rewarded with compensation packages last year totaling more than $125 million.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/06/09/14912/skyrocketing-salaries-health-insurance-ceos

And by law we are MANDATED to by health INSURANCE from these vultures.

Of those 11 companies (Aetna, Centene, Cigna, Health Net, Humana, Molina, Triple-S Management Corp., UnitedHealth Group, Universal American, Wellcare, and WellPoint) nine saw their stocks close near 52-week highs this past Friday.

The biggest gainer has been Humana, one of the largest operators of Medicare Advantage plans, whose share price has increased more than 53 percent over the past year.

The increases have been equally impressive at most of the other big companies. Aetna’s share price is up 31 percent, Cigna’s 32 percent. United’s is up 28 percent. And WellPoint’s is up 39 percent.

And they tell us they are losing money...hmmmm

Take the $500 BILLION profit extracting middlemen (health INSURANCE corporations) out of US health CARE and I guarantee health CARE costs will come down.

The reason for fewer and smaller health INSURANCE coompanies is because the big ones knew what was coming, as they designed it, and began buying the smaller ones up or merging.

Reply
Mar 26, 2017 15:00:22   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Buffalo, try this:

Dr. Rand Paul’s Obamacare Replacement Act, S. 222:
https://www.paul.senate.gov/news/press/dr-rand-paul-unveils-obamacare-replacement-act

Legalizes Inexpensive Insurance Plans:
•Ensures that Americans can purchase the health insurance coverage that best fits their needs.
•Eliminates Obamacare’s essential health benefits requirement, along with other restrictive coverage and plan requirements, to once again make low-cost insurance options available to American consumers.

Protects Individuals with Pre-Existing Conditions:
•Provides a two-year open-enrollment period under which individuals with pre-existing conditions can obtain coverage.
•Restores HIPAA pre-existing conditions protections. Prior to Obamacare, HIPAA guaranteed that those in the group market could obtain continuous health coverage regardless of preexisting conditions.

Helps More People Save To Buy Health Insurance and Cover Medical Costs:
•Incentivizes savings by authorizing a tax credit (up to $5,000 per taxpayer) for individuals and families that contribute to HSAs.
•Removes the annual cap on HSAs so individuals can make unlimited contributions.
•Allows HSA funds to be used to purchase insurance, cover premiums, and more easily afford a broader range of health-related expenses, including prescription and OTC drugs, dietary supplements, nutrition and physical exercise expenses, and direct primary care, among others.

Guarantees Fair Tax Treatment of Health Insurance:
•Equalizes the tax treatment of the purchase of health insurance for individuals and employers by allowing individuals to deduct the cost of their health insurance from their income and payroll taxes.
•Frees more Americans to purchase and maintain insurance apart from their work status.
•Does not interfere with employer-provided coverage for Americans who prefer those plans.

Helps Individuals Join Together to Purchase Insurance:
•Expands Association Health Plans (AHPs) to allow small business owners and individuals to band together across state lines through their membership in a trade or professional association to purchase health coverage for their families and employees at a lower cost.
•Also allows individuals to pool together through any organization to purchase insurance.
•Widens access to the group market and spreads out the risk, enhancing the ability of individuals and small businesses to decrease costs, increase administrative efficiencies, and further protect those with pre-existing conditions.

Allows the Purchase of Insurance Across State Lines:
•Creates an interstate market that allows insurers who are licensed to sell policies in one state to offer them to residents of any other state.

Increases State Medicaid Flexibility:
•Enables states to fully exercise current flexibilities afforded to them through Medicaid waivers for creating innovative state plan designs.

Empowers Physicians:
•Allows non-economically aligned physicians to negotiate for higher quality health care for their patients.
•Amends the Internal Revenue Code to allow a physician a tax deduction equal to the amount such physician would otherwise charge for charity medical care or uncompensated care due to bad debt, limited to 10% of a physician’s gross income for the taxable year.

And it is all doable on a 51% simple majority vote in the Senate under the Budget Reconciliation Act, according to the Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough, who was not consulted for permission by the House Speaker Paul Ryan. Why?
Buffalo, try this: br br Dr. Rand Paul’s Obamacar... (show quote)


That is all fine, well and good, IF you make enough money.

How good would an "inexpensive" health INSURANCE plan be in covering a major medical problem? Would it cover cancer treatment, a major heart attack, or serious injury? All could run up medical expenses in the 100s of 1000s. What would the deductibles be? A $5000.00 out of pocket medical expense would bankrupt most taxpayers. as 75% of them live paycheck to paycheck much less are able to SAVE for medical expenses....Pauls plan is a libertarian JOKE!

Fewer than one in four Americans have enough money in their savings account to cover at least six months of expenses, enough to help cushion the blow of a job loss, medical emergency or some other unexpected event, according to the survey of 1,000 adults. Meanwhile, 50% of those surveyed have less than a three-month cushion and 27% had no savings at all.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/24/pf/emergency-savings/index.html

Health INSURANCE is just socialistic pool to spread risks with a profit for those that hand out other peoples money to pay for medical CARE.

So why not form the largest risk pool there could be and have Medicare for All. Every one pays into the pool based on income and ability and ALL are covered for medical CARE? No deductions, co-pays, insurance forms, hassling with denials, referrals, every one, man woman, and child just gets the best medical CARE they need.

Reply
Mar 26, 2017 17:19:00   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
buffalo wrote:
BULLSHIT!! Health INSURANCE corporations CEO pay is not based on employee management. It is based on their ability to maximize profits and stock values and dividends to stock holders.

According to Health Plan Week, a trade publication, the CEOs of the 11 largest for-profit companies were rewarded with compensation packages last year totaling more than $125 million.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/06/09/14912/skyrocketing-salaries-health-insurance-ceos

And by law we are MANDATED to by health INSURANCE from these vultures.

Of those 11 companies (Aetna, Centene, Cigna, Health Net, Humana, Molina, Triple-S Management Corp., UnitedHealth Group, Universal American, Wellcare, and WellPoint) nine saw their stocks close near 52-week highs this past Friday.

The biggest gainer has been Humana, one of the largest operators of Medicare Advantage plans, whose share price has increased more than 53 percent over the past year.

The increases have been equally impressive at most of the other big companies. Aetna’s share price is up 31 percent, Cigna’s 32 percent. United’s is up 28 percent. And WellPoint’s is up 39 percent.

And they tell us they are losing money...hmmmm

Take the $500 BILLION profit extracting middlemen (health INSURANCE corporations) out of US health CARE and I guarantee health CARE costs will come down.

The reason for fewer and smaller health INSURANCE coompanies is because the big ones knew what was coming, as they designed it, and began buying the smaller ones up or merging.
BULLSHIT!! Health INSURANCE corporations CEO pay i... (show quote)


Buffalo, you write: "The reason for fewer and smaller health INSURANCE companies is because the big ones knew what was coming, as they designed it, and began buying the smaller ones up or merging."

Of course, with Ryancare on the horizon, the monopoly of Insurance Companies would be entrenched for decades to come and their stock rose. Capitalism is competition, not monopolies. But Ryancare never made it out of the House, thank God!

And you are flat out wrong about ignoring the expense of millions of paper shuffling health insurance administrators plus millions more HHS paper shuffling bureaucrats, and 169 additional bureaucracies under the IRS to enforce compliance with Obamacare. This is just plain nuts! A total waste of trillions of dollars. We have 22 million government shuffling bureaucrats right now and more in the health insurance industry. Get over your greed about share holders which include your 401K plan. You have some kind of math deficit in the brain. Did you take math in high school?

We don't need any of these administrators and bureaucrats between the patient and the doctor.

We do not need the Insurance company nor the nanny state Health Department following us around from behind with a roll of toilet paper for every cough, sniffle and fart! Purchase a catastrophic health insurance policy for $100/month and be done with it.
The difference between rich and poor is knowing the difference between what we can do for ourselves and what we can't.

Reply
 
 
Mar 26, 2017 17:33:28   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
buffalo wrote:
That is all fine, well and good, IF you make enough money.

How good would an "inexpensive" health INSURANCE plan be in covering a major medical problem? Would it cover cancer treatment, a major heart attack, or serious injury? All could run up medical expenses in the 100s of 1000s. What would the deductibles be? A $5000.00 out of pocket medical expense would bankrupt most taxpayers. as 75% of them live paycheck to paycheck much less are able to SAVE for medical expenses....Pauls plan is a libertarian JOKE!

Fewer than one in four Americans have enough money in their savings account to cover at least six months of expenses, enough to help cushion the blow of a job loss, medical emergency or some other unexpected event, according to the survey of 1,000 adults. Meanwhile, 50% of those surveyed have less than a three-month cushion and 27% had no savings at all.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/24/pf/emergency-savings/index.html

Health INSURANCE is just socialistic pool to spread risks with a profit for those that hand out other peoples money to pay for medical CARE.

So why not form the largest risk pool there could be and have Medicare for All. Every one pays into the pool based on income and ability and ALL are covered for medical CARE? No deductions, co-pays, insurance forms, hassling with denials, referrals, every one, man woman, and child just gets the best medical CARE they need.
That is all fine, well and good, IF you make enoug... (show quote)


You ask: How good would an "inexpensive" health INSURANCE plan be in covering a major medical problem?"

Answer: $100/month of catastrophic health insurance.

https://www.patientphysiciancoop.com/

According to Sean Hannity, these doctors charge $10/child and $50/adult for monthly unlimited office visits, and a $100 catastrophic health insurance coverage. That is very reasonable, and a free market solution to this mess.

Your life remains private. You are not on the government database. Get the Department of Health, the IRS, and FBI and this megalithic spy operation of the DHS, NSA and CIA out of our lives

Have you read about the new enforcement of REAL ID and what information will be chipped on your drivers license, including all medical records., religion, gun ownership, DNA, eyescans, fingerprints, blood type, etc.? We can't live like this. Whose body is it anyways?

Reply
Mar 26, 2017 17:56:10   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
straightUp wrote:
Wow... it's not often that a post reveals so much about it's author. First of all, I don't know what kind of doctor you're pretending to be but the ACA wasn't rolled out to a panel of doctors before anyone else knew anything about it. You make it sound like the ACA came out of some secret laboratory. It didn't. It evolved... in public. It took ideas from other plans, mostly Republican, that have been publicly debated for years. In fact the ACA is largely based on Mitt Romney's plan which was actually implemented in MA when he was still governor of that state.

I've been paying attention to healthcare reform since Bill Clinton was in office and I was helping with the development of the EMR system (Electronic Medical Record) at Kaiser Permanente in compliance with the laws Clinton was pushing for back then. I watched his wife in Senate fighting for reform during the Bush Administration and getting shut down by Republicans that didn't want reform to be handled by Democrats. I read about the options suggested by members of both parties across two administrations (Dean, Edwards, Clinton, Romney, Gingrich...) and when Obama came to town, I watched him put these ideas together and push for a law. I watched the resulting bill getting flipped back and forth between the chambers and between the parties inside the chambers for a little more than a year and I read the adjustments and amendments as they happened, as slowly it became what it is now. It was NEVER a secret.

Apparently, some of people think that the ACA was sprung on us. I see them on this site and elsewhere insisting that the Democrats pushed the bill without even giving the Republicans a chance to review it, but anyone who has been monitoring the activity knows that's a blatant lie and the only people that buy it are those who just weren't paying attention. Not everyone was so oblivious "doc" and from the perspective of someone who has been closely watching the entire process... well, you can imagine what your "I'm a doctor who reviewed the plan before anyone knew about it" says to us.

If I'm wrong, then by all means do share your prognosis. How exactly (from a doctors standpoint) is a market-based economic plan like the ACA "self-destructive"? Exactly, where is the "logic flawed"? I'm sure you still have all your notes from when you were on the panel, right?
Wow... it's not often that a post reveals so much ... (show quote)


Is that a fact? Are.you another troll or just full of yourself?

How would you know? Do you think flyers were sent out asking for volunteers? We were selected. You can ponder why.

Sorry but you're on the outside looking in and if you looked a little more diligently you'd see I have been predicting exactly what is now happening for 2+ years. I know. Lucky guess right?...lol

And your 6% raise was more of an across the board raise whereas the raises regarding the aca are not across the board. They are more confined to those without assistance causing them to pay their own costs and those of one or more others. AZ for instance saw a 116% increase in premiums for those people. That is but one example. Look into out of pockets and deductibles. But you already know all this right? You're the expert here.

There are many thing you will never be privy to. This is one of them.

And overhead is the driving force, but again...you're the expert so we'll all just listen to you. Thank you so much for your attention to this matter.

Reply
Mar 26, 2017 18:35:52   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Doc if you follow this ass holes posts he's an expert on everything. Don't bother.
Docadhoc wrote:
Is that a fact? Are.you another troll or just full of yourself?

How would you know? Do you think flyers were sent out asking for volunteers? We were selected. You can ponder why.

Sorry but you're on the outside looking in and if you looked a little more diligently you'd see I have been predicting exactly what is now happening for 2+ years. I know. Lucky guess right?...lol

And your 6% raise was more of an across the board raise whereas the raises regarding the aca are not across the board. They are more confined to those without assistance causing them to pay their own costs and those of one or more others. AZ for instance saw a 116% increase in premiums for those people. That is but one example. Look into out of pockets and deductibles. But you already know all this right? You're the expert here.

There are many thing you will never be privy to. This is one of them.

And overhead is the driving force, but again...you're the expert so we'll all just listen to you. Thank you so much for your attention to this matter.
Is that a fact? Are.you another troll or just ful... (show quote)

Reply
Mar 26, 2017 19:21:12   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Docadhoc wrote:
Is that a fact? Are.you another troll or just full of yourself?

How would you know? Do you think flyers were sent out asking for volunteers? We were selected. You can ponder why.

Sorry but you're on the outside looking in and if you looked a little more diligently you'd see I have been predicting exactly what is now happening for 2+ years. I know. Lucky guess right?...lol

And your 6% raise was more of an across the board raise whereas the raises regarding the aca are not across the board. They are more confined to those without assistance causing them to pay their own costs and those of one or more others. AZ for instance saw a 116% increase in premiums for those people. That is but one example. Look into out of pockets and deductibles. But you already know all this right? You're the expert here.

There are many thing you will never be privy to. This is one of them.

And overhead is the driving force, but again...you're the expert so we'll all just listen to you. Thank you so much for your attention to this matter.
Is that a fact? Are.you another troll or just ful... (show quote)


Doc, this guy goes around hitting himself in the head with a hammer because it feels good when he stops. Just color him obnoxious and mark him down in your "disregard" column.

Reply
 
 
Mar 26, 2017 20:54:40   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
JFlorio wrote:
Doc if you follow this ass holes posts he's an expert on everything. Don't bother.




I love it when these.people think what they "know" is all there is to know.

Reply
Mar 26, 2017 20:56:03   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
padremike wrote:
Doc, this guy goes around hitting himself in the head with a hammer because it feels good when he stops. Just color him obnoxious and mark him down in your "disregard" column.



Reply
Mar 28, 2017 04:04:09   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
buffalo wrote:
Simple..."Exactly" how is a mandate a market based economic plan?

The big enormous word, M*A*N*D*A*T*E... is not an "economic plan" anymore than a steering wheel is a car. The ACA is an economic plan because it doesn't actually provide medical services, medical supplies, hospital facilities, laboratories, hospice, out-patient care, or food services... These things are all provided by the private sector and they are all paid for through insurance companies, again, in the private sector. The ACA is a framework to help distribute the cost, so yes... it's an economic plan. And yes, an economic plan can have mandates just like cars can have steering wheels. For instance, the Marshal Plan was an economic plan that included a mandated where the Japanese could only buy oil from the U.S.

buffalo wrote:

I was in the used car business and would have loved for Congress and obammy to have passed a mandate that everyone must buy a used car from me in my area.

I don't see the ACA forcing anyone to buy anything. Certainly not from a specific insurance company as you seem to be implying. I know several people who chose not to buy insurance at all. They just paid the fine, which really isn't that much. It's not like they put you in prison. So stop being so dramatic.

buffalo wrote:

What hurt my business more than all the stupid regulations was the "Cash for Clunkers" government bullshit. It took many GOOD used cares off the market and drove the price of them up to the point that poor and credit challenged people could not afford them. Not every one can buy one of the sorry overpriced new pieces of shit, the same with over priced piece of shit policies from private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations.

Well, the only answer to that is a single-payer system, right? Do you think America is ready for that?

buffalo wrote:

My MEDICAL DOCTOR brother said from the onset that the ACA was going to fail. But moonbatty bitch pelosi said we had to pass it before we could find out what is in it. So, your being disingenous to say the least, straightup!

No I'm not. Just because your MEDICAL DOCTOR brother said it was going to fail doesn't mean he was right. And you're the one being disingenuous by making a huge deal out of a quote that was totally taken out of context. She was responding to suggestions that the ACA would fail and her response was to say that you don't know that until you try it. It was one of those moments people have where you stumble on the words and and of course the right took that to the bank. Anyone who actually thinks she meant that you have to pass the law to see what's in it is a fucking idiot. So I hope, you're being rhetorical.

buffalo wrote:

Both the ACA and the AHCA were/are pieces of shit.

The AHCA was a piece of shit.
As for the ACA, it depends on what state you live in. It's not doing so well in states where corporations are allowed to monopolize the market. But in states like CA that have the balls to lay down anti-trust laws, the market is competitive and the ACA is a total success.

Reply
Mar 28, 2017 05:06:39   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Docadhoc wrote:
Is that a fact? Are.you another troll or just full of yourself?

zzzz.

Docadhoc wrote:

How would you know?

I explained that pretty well in my post. Did they not teach you to read in pretend doctor school? Here it is again... "You make it sound like the ACA came out of some secret laboratory. It didn't. It evolved... in public. It took ideas from other plans, mostly Republican, that have been publicly debated for years. In fact the ACA is largely based on Mitt Romney's plan which was actually implemented in MA when he was still governor of that state."

I'm not saying you weren't part of some "panel", even high schools had "panels" to discuss what they thought of the ACA. The part that I find so ridiculous is where you arrogantly told PeterS to shut up because YOU were reviewing it before HE even knew about it... Maybe you don't see how that comes across but it sounds like something an 8 year old would say. To be blatantly honest "doc" you don't come across as a smart person. You never have. So to start telling people you're some special doctor that the government came to for an opinion on a signature bill is a little far fetched.

Docadhoc wrote:

Do you think flyers were sent out asking for volunteers? We were selected. You can ponder why.

LOL - I think I'd rather hear you explain it. When did this happen "doc"? When did the government come to the great Docadhoc to ask him for an opinion on the top secret ACA that no one else knew anything about?

Docadhoc wrote:

Sorry but you're on the outside looking in and if you looked a little more diligently you'd see I have been predicting exactly what is now happening for 2+ years. I know. Lucky guess right?...lol

No "doc" you were predicting the ACA would fail and it's not. You and a lot of conservatives are hoping it will fail. Lord knows the Republicans did everything could to make it fail and even now they continue to insist that it is failing... but so far it's actually succeeding... a little more in some states than others, but it's actually working.

Docadhoc wrote:

And your 6% raise was more of an across the board raise whereas the raises regarding the aca are not across the board. They are more confined to those without assistance causing them to pay their own costs and those of one or more others. AZ for instance saw a 116% increase in premiums for those people. That is but one example. Look into out of pockets and deductibles. But you already know all this right? You're the expert here.

Do you know the difference between a "rise" and a "raise"... doctor? And BTW, these are references to the rising cost of healthcare not the cost of a premium, so it doesn't matter whether someone is getting subsidized or not the cost of PROVIDING care remains the same... how the cost is paid is a different thing.

Docadhoc wrote:

There are many thing you will never be privy to. This is one of them.

Oh because so much of the ACA is top secret, right?

Docadhoc wrote:

And overhead is the driving force, but again...you're the expert so we'll all just listen to you. Thank you so much for your attention to this matter.

Doctor... LOL My ass.

Reply
 
 
Mar 28, 2017 06:19:10   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
The AHCA was a piece of shit.
As for the ACA, it depends on what state you live in. It's not doing so well in states where corporations are allowed to monopolize the market. But in states like CA that have the balls to lay down anti-trust laws, the market is competitive and the ACA is a total success.


As for all your bullshit, the operative words were MARKET BASED, not economic plan, and the ACA was goddamn sure not MARKET BASED.

We need to decide once and for all if medical CARE is a right or a privilege. If it is a right then it must be a right for EVERYONE. If it is a privilege, then what in the hell are you going to do with those that get to treat it as a right, now, when they show up to the ER with a life threatening medical problem and it isn't? Because as it is now,even more so with the ACA, some get to treat medical CARE as a RIGHT, paid for by taxpayers, while those same taxpayers, even with health INSURANCE, have to treat medical CARE as a bankrupting privilege. So, you tell me, what in the hell are you going to do with all those that show up at the ER with life threatening medical issues?

MY MEDICAL DOCTOR brother WAS right, the ACA is a piece of shit and it IS failing, that is unless your one of those that gets to treat medical CARE as a RIGHT! So, which is it, is medical care a right or a privilege?

Reply
Mar 28, 2017 08:16:39   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Here's StraightUp's and CounterRevolutionary's solution---Let's leave millions without health CARE and give the rich another tax cut.

Reply
Mar 28, 2017 20:11:10   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
straightUp wrote:
Doctor... LOL My ass.


Tell you what bubba. Hold that thought.

It is pathetic that you think what you know, or think you know, is all there is to know, and it tickles me how you think you are informed.

I don't think you have a clue as to how politicians look for input. Probably because none have ever asked you.

Someone here said.you think you're the most interesting man in the world. I think I'd add that you see yourself as the world's most foremost authority...on any subject.

2 years maximum bubba.

Now fell me all about.it.

Reply
Mar 28, 2017 21:02:18   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Docadhoc wrote:
Tell you what bubba. Hold that thought.

It is pathetic that you think what you know, or think you know, is all there is to know, and it tickles me how you think you are informed.

I don't think you have a clue as to how politicians look for input. Probably because none have ever asked you.

Someone here said.you think you're the most interesting man in the world. I think I'd add that you see yourself as the world's most foremost authority...on any subject.

2 years maximum bubba.

Now fell me all about.it.
Tell you what bubba. Hold that thought. br br It... (show quote)


He does give the impression that he's a self made man who worships his own creation.

Reply
Page <<first <prev 6 of 7 next>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main
OnePoliticalPlaza.com - Forum
Copyright 2012-2024 IDF International Technologies, Inc.