Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

I must say you definitely have a talent for anti=Semitic revisionism. You go out of your way to find as much revisionist history as you can. Every obscure, unreliable source you can find that will support your anti-Semitism is fair game. As with the laws of science and the principles of engineering, you ignore like the plague all factual documentation of accurate history. You do whatever it takes to force the evidence to fit your hateful agenda.

No human being with even a modicum of compassion for his fellow man can fathom the black hearted nature of someone like you. It would clarify matters here if you would, in your own words, explain why you are so consumed with hatred for anything Jewish, whether it be Zionism, Judaism, Israel, or simply the Jews themselves.

When one considers the factual history of genocide (and democide), is truly baffling how you can perceive Israel as the most heinous perpetrator of genocide in human history. Even more puzzling is how you can even include Israel among the perpetrators of genocide. The only explanation is anti-Semitism. No other reason.

Now, about the Nazi extermination of Jews, and others.

While it is admittedly difficult to compile exact figures, since the Nazis did not maintain registration records for those who were to be exterminated immediately upon arrival at Auschwitz, it seems accurate to assert that the number of Jews killed fell somewhere between one and one-point-six million.

According to figures provided by the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum, the overall number of victims of Auschwitz in the years 1940-1945 is estimated at between 1,100,000 and 1,500,000 people. The majority of them, and above all the mass transports of Jews who arrived beginning in 1942, died in the gas chambers. (Waclaw Dlugoborski and Franciszek Piper, Eds. Auschwitz 1940-1945. Central Issues in the History of the Camp. The Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum, 2000, 5 vols., 1799 pp., ISBN 83-85047-87-5)

Numbers by Country

Polish-Soviet Area approx. 4,565,000
Germany 125,000
Austria 65,000
Czechoslovakia 277,000
Hungary 402,000
France 83,000
Belgium/Luxembourg 24,700
Netherlands 106,000
Italy 7,500
Norway 760
Romania excluding Bessarabia, N. Bukovina and northern Transylvania 271,000 - 287,000
Yugoslavia 60,000 - 67,000
Greece 60,000 - 67,000

Totals number of Jewish victims 5,700,000 - 5,860,000

Source: Yehuda Bauer. A History of the Holocaust. New York, Frankin Watts Revised edition 2001

Numbers: Death Camps

Auschwitz 1,100,000 Jews and 200,000 others
Maidanek (Majdanek) 78,000 including 61,000 Jews, 12,000 Poles, 5,000 others including Soviet prisoners of war.
Chelmno 320,000
Treblinka 762,000
Sobibor 167,000
Belzec 434,000 - 500,000
Total fatalities 2,857,000 - 3,139,000

Holocaust Encyclopedia: Auschwitz

Center for Holocaust and Genocidal Studies: Auschwitz Death Camp

FYI: the answers to your three questions are available to those honest enough to look for them.

1) emarine already answered the first one. Auschwitz I was first constructed to hold Polish political prisoners, who began to arrive in May 1940. The first extermination of prisoners took place in September 1941.

2) The Nazis were industrious, their labor/death camps were factories for processing human beings. They didn't feed the prisoners much, nor did they provide any health care, they just worked the healthy ones until they either dropped dead or became too weak to go on, and these they killed in the gas chambers, or shot them. Moreover, upon arrival at the death camps the Nazis usually immediately put to death the elderly, the infirm, the crippled, the ill, the children, all of whom were arriving by the thousands every year.

3) Again, the Nazis were industrious, and since they plundered every country they conquered, they had plenty of resources, both human and material. Not until late in the war did the Nazi resources for labor and materials begin to dry up. Those damned damned Allies anyway, they totally screwed up Hitler's plans.

Now it is your turn, payne, to once again brush this all aside, label it as Zionist propaganda, and call me a Zionist shill. And, we will once again have the opportunity to see the ignorance of a black hearted anti-Semite.

emarine

Maybe if you read things that weren't extreme you would understand... the Germans either destroyed or modified the gas chambers @ the wars end... some for bomb shelters & some to cover their ass... the Germans were very resourceful people & exterminating the Jews was of high priority ...

Why would the Russians build the fake?... they repaired the old gas chambers for a museum...

Why weren't there any gas chambers at the other work camps?... there were


Nazi Germany
Gas chambers
See also: Extermination camp § Gassing, The Holocaust § Gas chambers, and Criticism of Holocaust denial § Use of gas chambers


Interior of Majdanek gas chamber, showing Prussian blue residue
Gas chambers were used in the 1930s and 1940s by the Third Reich initially as part of the "public euthanasia program" aimed at eliminating physically and intellectually disabled people and political undesirables. In June 1942 many hundreds of prisoners of the Neuengamme concentration camp, including 45 Dutch communists, were gassed in Bernburg Euthanasia Centre. At these locations, the preferred gas was carbon monoxide delivered in metal cylinders followed by the development of less expensive methods of mass murder during the Holocaust with the exhaust gas of gasoline-powered cars, trucks and army tanks used at designated death camps.[4]
The Nazi concentration and extermination camps, including Auschwitz and Majdanek, used hydrogen cyanide in the form of Zyklon B. The first experimental gassing with Zyklon B took place at Auschwitz I on September 3, 1941, in the cellar of Block 11 using 600 Soviet POWs and 250 other prisoners who were sick and no longer able to work.[5][6] The gas chosen by the command of Operation Reinhard was exhaust gas from internal combustion engines (detailed in the Gerstein Report among others).[7] In order to process the hundreds of victims delivered in Holocaust trains each day, the killing centres at Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor, during the most deadly phase of the Holocaust in Poland, used the cheapest available killing agent for use in the gas chambers of these extermination camps. In accordance with the Nazi cross-European policy of genocide against the Jews, the SS "processed" thousands of Romani people, (male) homosexuals, the physically and mentally disabled, intellectuals and the clergy from all occupied territories.[5]


Gas chamber at the Stutthof concentration camp
Gas vans
Main article: Gas van
In the eastern territories, the mass executions by exhaust gas were performed by the Einsatzgruppen in modified vans, known as Gaswagen (variously translated as "gas wagon", "gas van", or "gas car") delivered from Berlin.[8]
Gas vans, such as those in Kulmhof, and the purpose-built brick and mortar gas chambers constructed at numerous concentration camps and extermination camps, were used to kill several million people between 1941 and 1945. Some stationary gas chambers could kill 2,000 people at once.[9] The use of gas chambers during the Holocaust was attested to by camp survivors as well as staff members, drawn almost exclusively from the ranks of the SS. Detailed information was also provided by the Vrba-Wetzler report, more commonly known as the "Auschwitz Protocols", and the testimony of Rudolf Höss, Commandant of the Auschwitz concentration camp, not to mention other German staff members and soldiers.[10][11][12]
Most gas chambers were dismantled or destroyed as the Soviet troops approached,[13] except for those at Dachau, Sachsenhausen and Majdanek. The gas chamber at Auschwitz I was amongst those blown up. It was reconstructed after the war to stand as a memorial, albeit with the entry door and the wall that originally separated the gas chamber from a washroom removed. The door that had been added when the gas chamber was converted into an air raid shelter was left intact.[6]
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payne1000

You are a Zionist shill, BR.
That's why you keep your identity hidden.

If the Germans wanted to kill the Jewish workers, why did they construct small gas chambers for delousing the laborers' clothes to help avoid typhus epidemics? The small delousing gas chambers were the only gas chambers at the labor camps.

payne1000

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Wikipedia contains unlimited Zionist propaganda about the Holocaust.
If the Holocaust wasn't a lie, why are there laws against researching the Holocaust in many countries?
Why are researchers arrested and forced to serve jail time?
If the Holocaust wasn't a lie, more research would only enforce the official account.
If the Nuremberg created history of the Holocaust were correct, there would be no reason to forbid research of what happened.

emarine

I think law makers were tired of answering questions from anti Semitic people... who says you cant research the holocaust?... you just can't bring bullshit cases up where the courts have thrown them out 100's of times in the past... there is a point of no return for everything... just like your bullshit questions... some research from real sources would answer anything you want backed by photos, testimony & Nazi records by the 1000's... the evidence is overwhelming... putz

emarine

Wikipedia contains unlimited Zionist propaganda about the Holocaust... Wiki is wide open for debate if it's creditable

payne1000

Jews were in charge of producing evidence from the Nazi records at Nuremberg.

"You know how I have despised anti-Semitism. You know how strongly I feel toward those who preach intolerance of any kind. With that knowledge -- you will understand when I tell you that this staff is about seventy-five percent Jewish. Now my point is that the Jews should stay away from this trial -- for their own sake.

"For -- mark this well -- the charge 'a war for the Jews' is still being made and in the post-war years it will be made again and again.

"The too large percentage of Jewish men and women here will be cited as proof of this charge. Sometimes it seems that the Jews will never learn about these things. They seem intent on bringing new difficulties down on their own heads. I do not like to write about this matter --it is distasteful to me -- but I am disturbed about it. They are pushing and crowding and competing with each other and with everyone else."
~American prosecutor at Nuremberg, Christopher Dodd http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/Nuremberg/Thomas_Dodd_ltr.html

emarine

Bullshit...http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/Nuremberg_trials.html

emarine

Try this one if you're bored... 680 boxes of trial docs...http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/Nuremberg/Harvard_site170803.html

payne1000

Better than that:

"The World Jewish Congress also played an important but less obvious role in the day to day proceedings. Above all, the powerful but secretive organization made sure that Germany's persecution of the Jews was a primary focus of the trials, and that the defendants were punished for their involvement in that process.

Two Jewish officers in the US Army -- Lieutenant Colonel Murray Bernays and Colonel David "Mickey" Marcus -- played key roles in the Nuremberg enterprise. In the words of historian Robert Conot, Bernays was "the guiding spirit leading the way to Nuremberg." Bernays, a successful New York attorney, persuaded US War Secretary Henry Stimson and others to accept the idea of putting the defeated German leaders on trial.

Marcus, a fervent Zionist, became the "number three man in making American policy" in occupied Germany. As chief of the US government's War Crimes Branch in 1946 and 1947, he selected almost all of the judges, prosecutors and lawyers for the Nuremberg NMT Trials. (He later became a commander of Zionist "Haganah" military forces in Palestine.)

Some of the Americans who participated in the Nuremberg trials became disillusioned with the entire business. One of the few to make public his feelings was Charles F. Wennerstrum, an Iowa Supreme Court justice who served as presiding judge in the Nuremberg trial of German generals. "If I had known seven months ago what I know today, I would never have come here," he declared immediately after sentences were pronounced. "The high ideals announced as the motives for creating these tribunals have not been evident," he added.

Wennerstrum cautiously referred to the extensive Jewish involvement in the Nuremberg process. "The entire atmosphere here is unwholesome ... Lawyers, clerks, interpreters and researchers were employed who became Americans only in recent years, whose backgrounds were imbedded in Europe's hatreds and prejudices." He criticized the one-sided handling of evidence. "Most of the evidence in the trials was documentary, selected from the large tonnage of captured records. The selection was made by the prosecution. The defense had access only to those documents which the prosecution considered material to the case." He concluded that "the trials were to have convinced the Germans of the guilt of their leaders. They convinced the Germans merely that their leaders lost the war to tough conquerors." Wennerstrum left Nuremberg "with a feeling that justice has been denied."

America's leading jurist was dismayed by the Nuremberg process. US Supreme Court Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone remarked with irritation: "[Chief US prosecutor] Jackson is away conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg. I don't mind what he does to the Nazis, but I hate to see the pretense that he is running a court and proceeding according to common law. This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas." In a private letter he wrote: "... I wonder how some of those who preside at the trials would justify some of the acts of their own governments if they were placed in the status of the accused." On another occasion Stone specifically wondered "whether, under this new [Nuremberg] doctrine of international law, if we had been defeated, the victors could plausibly assert that our supplying Britain with fifty destroyers [in 1940] was an act of aggression ..."

In Congress, US Representative Lawrence H. Smith of Wisconsin declared: "The Nuremberg trials are so repugnant to the Anglo-Saxon principles of justice that we must forever be ashamed of that page in our history ... The Nuremberg farce represents a revenge policy at its worst." /14 Another Congressman, John Rankin of Mississippi, stated: "As a representative of the American people I desire to say that what is taking place in Nuremberg, Germany, is a disgrace to the United States... A racial minority, two and a half years after the war closed, are in Nuremberg not only hanging German soldiers but trying German businessmen in the name of the United States."

Probably the most courageous condemnation was by US Senator Robert A. Taft, widely regarded as the "conscience of the Republican party." At considerable risk to his political career, he denounced the Nuremberg enterprise in an October 1946 speech. "The trial of the vanquished by the victors cannot be impartial no matter how it is hedged about with the forms of justice," he said. Taft went on:

About this whole judgment there is the spirit of vengeance, and vengeance is seldom justice. The hanging of the eleven men convicted will be a blot on the American record which we will long regret. In these trials we have accepted the Russian idea of the purpose of trials -- government policy and not justice -- with little relation to Anglo-Saxon heritage. By clothing policy in the forms of legal procedure, we many discredit the whole idea of justice in Europe for years to come.

Milton R. Konvitz, a Jewish specialist of law and public administration who taught at New York University, warned at the time that the Nuremberg Tribunal "defies many of the most basic assumptions of the judicial process." He went on: "Our policy with respect to the Nazis is consistent with neither international law nor our own State Department's policy... The Nuremberg trial constitutes a real threat to the basic conceptions of justice which it has taken mankind thousands of years to establish."

In the years since, distinguished figures in both the United States and other countries have expressed similar views. US Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas wrote: "I thought at the time and still think that the Nuremberg trials were unprincipled. Law was created ex post facto to suit the passion and clamor of the time."

US Rear Admiral H. Lamont Pugh, former Navy Surgeon General and Commanding Officer of the National Naval Medical Center, wrote: "I thought the trials in general bordered upon international lunacy. I thought it particularly unfortunate, inappropriate, ill-conceived and dupably injudicious that the United States should have been cast in the leading role as prosecutors and implementators of the trials of German participants or principals."
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Webera.html

payne1000

680 boxes of lies and fabrication which paid off Jews billions in reparations from European countries.

emarine

More bullshit from mark Webber... The guy selling that the holocaust ever happened... the trails were a first where international law & the laws from 4 different country's were combined as well as a military court & a civil court... The Nazis broke every law on the books from everywhere never seen before ... the Russians wanted to just shoot them all and call it a day... there were lots of angry Jews there... they were the only people set up for total extinction & had tons of evidence to prove it... wouldn't you be seeking a little revenge for the murder of your family putz?

payne1000

Webber is like most who doubt the official story of the German labor camps during WWII.
He is a "doubter," not a "denier".
The name "Holocaust" refers to death by fire, so that name is used to give a false impression of what really happened.
The name "Holodomor" would be more accurate since many of the deaths in the work camps were from starvation.
The Allied Forces sought to cover up all the atrocities they committed during WWII.
Demonizing the German military is the path they chose.

emarine

"He is a "doubter," not a "denier"... Interesting... so you're are saying that douche bag fits better than putz ... in reality you are both... same as the Nazis... I provided a link from Harvard law that will let you read for yourself what was in those 680 boxes of Nazi files ...I have been asked not to repeat the fucking unbelievable atrocities from fellow members who had loved ones involved... so with respect I will honor their request... but as far as you go... there is no denying or doubt that you are a Nazi douche bag ... putz ... war is one thing... but the extermination of an entire people is another... that's the whole point of ..."never forget"...

payne1000

Somewhere around 6 million Ukrainians were starved in the "holodomor."
Why aren't Ukrainians demanding payment for the murder of their ancestors?
Why haven't Ukrainians turned the Holodomor into a lucrative industry?

World Almanac statistics show the Jewish population at the end of WWII to be almost the same as before the war began.
Jews don't usually breed like rabbits. What's with that?