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Feb 16, 2017 15:04:44   #
HedgeHog
 
pafret wrote:
You need a course in Civics. The Electoral College does not appoint anyone. their function is to vote for the candidate who received the most votes in their state. This is what makes our nation a Republic and this is why we have a Republican form of government. It is deliberately done this way to prevent rule of the mob (Demos) we are emphatically not a Democracy, we have a democratic form of government ONLY, in that one man or women gets one vote, to exercise or not as they see fit.

The electoral college normally votes for the candidate their fellow statesmen selected. Occasionally there are faithless electors and this is what prompted the barrage of cajolery, pleas, and outright threats of bodily harm, to electors, in an effort to cause them to be faithless.

If you want to rail at anyone, set your sights on all the idiots demonstrating with "Not My President " signs who couldn't be bothered to exercise their franchise and vote for their candidate. They have plenty of time to riot in the streets but wouldn't take an hour to vote.

All of these accusations "a confirmed adulterer, womanizer, fraud, tax evader, chronic liar, narcissist, racist, misogynist, and accused sexual predator among other accusations." are drivel drummed up by Trump's opponents.

In the scales of Justice, both Clinton's corruption, venality, perjury, sexual predations, confirmed adultery and rape, chronic lying, threatening of witnesses in criminal proceedings and treasonous behavior which is proven fact far outweighs any allegation made against Trump . How many times is it recorded and proved that Trump rode the Lolita express with the Clinton's, to Pederast Paradise? It wasn't Trump who was called a liar by the Director of the FBI with regard to her criminal exposure of State Secrets to our enemies.

Your bringing up this ancient refuted bunch of stupid accusations with an additional charge of bribery of Electors is ludicrous. Why don't you claim Trump is an illegal alien, he came from Mars?
It is interesting that three times as many faithless electors failed to vote for Clinton, the damage they attempted to do to Trump rebounded to their detriment.
You need a course in Civics. The Electoral Colleg... (show quote)


I had always thought that one reason the founders made an "electoral college" responsible for electing the president, was so that those electors, having been appointed by the state legislature, would have reason to be more responsible.

I think I will look it up in my "Anti-Federalists" and "Federalists" Papers, as well as the Madison Debates. It does seem America, with its emphasis on voter rights, has taken responsibility for the election of the president off the table. That is, voters have rights, but not responsibility. A major flaw in democracy.

In order for democracy to work, the populace who wants to govern themselves, must be able to responsibly elect their representatives and governors. Voter rights advocates have diminished the importance of responsibility.

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Feb 16, 2017 15:32:47   #
JediKnight
 
There was not a problem with Obama and the EC because he won the EC votes deservedly....you know, most qualified, best educated, held public office, good character, etc. Now I do admit that there were problems with the EC 2 other times in history, well before you, I or anyone living today was even born. Your brazen anger is a possible clue to your responses - inside you know that what I wrote is true...and it upsets you. Well, you should be upset....but not with me. Your angst should be for those who so flippantly and disgracefully usurped the very Constitution they are sworn to uphold. Me, and my brothers and sisters in the military did not risk our lives daily (like the millions before us) to see people trounce on the very laws we support and are sworn to protect for ourselves and our families, for you and your family. Your anger seems to include a serious dislike (or lack of understanding) about what is fair, right and equal. Are you one of those who believe only in "white privilege?" Do you not understand that the white man did not build America alone? What would have happened if the Native Indians had told the Pilgrim's "turn your ship around - we don't accept immigrants here?" So far, nearly everything Trump has done has been a sham....he seems bent on repealing or reversing EVERYTHING that Obama did for the country....simply because Obama did it! Wouldn't Trump's time be better served in working with both parties to FIX some of the things Obama was not allowed to (your republican congress tried to block every proposal the man suggested) or could not get too? When will people learn that there will never be peace as long as one group thinks and acts as if they are the only one's who have a say in what should be? <That sir, is the definition of stupidity!

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Feb 16, 2017 15:47:48   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
HedgeHog wrote:
JK--JediKnight--is a Jerome Lord knock-off. A pretentious prick.


He's not even that hedge but I understand you're refraining simply because there really is no interest to hear the same mundane diatripe.. I'm with you!!

Dang this garbage is old, you would think they would have something of value to contribute occassionally, anyway...

Ahhh. c'est la vie mon cher....

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Feb 16, 2017 16:05:48   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
HedgeHog wrote:
JK--JediKnight--is a Jerome Lord knock-off. A pretentious prick.


Fought in the make believe world of the " Clone wars~~~

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Feb 16, 2017 16:06:14   #
JediKnight
 
I think that is the reason Hillary referred to many of you Trump supporters as "deplorable." You have this caveman like tendency to denounce anything that disagrees with your opinion. Of course that is your choice (1st Amendment), but it keeps your thought processes severely limited to a 6th grade level, which makes it nearly impossible to impart any knowledge to you....you seem to think that you know it all....and everyone except Trump knows that simply ain't true. Rest in peace.

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Feb 16, 2017 16:16:10   #
JediKnight
 
hedgehog: I could say so many nasty things to you...but I actually feel sorry for you, so I will spare you. But you really should seek some medical attention because something is not quite right with you.

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Feb 16, 2017 16:30:43   #
Zombiefarmer23 Loc: Bull Hills
 
JediKnight wrote:
Most people, whether Republican or Democrat at least agree that this past election has been unusual to say the least. Filled with the elements of intrigue normally found in a Tom Clancy movie ('Clear and Present Danger' - Hunt for Red October), false accusations, tales of corruption, etc., -there is still a question I have not seen any news on: "Why isn't the EC being investigated?" The EC is charged with 2 main tenets in the Constitution in regards to the presidential election: 1) to affirm the winner of the popular vote, and 2) to appoint the best qualified candidate by means of education, experience, and character. With that being said, "why did the majority of the EC appoint Trump?" He lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million, (of course if we believed his 3-5 million illegal voters that number could be much higher), has never held public office, dropped out of college, 6 bankruptcies, a confirmed adulterer, womanizer, fraud, tax evader, chronic liar, narcissist, racist, misogynist, and accused sexual predator among other accusations. All of this begs the question: "was the EC bribed or blackmailed into appointing Trump?" I find it very difficult to pass on that thought.
Most people, whether Republican or Democrat at lea... (show quote)





Smells like a gluegun to me. Commie troll alert.

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Feb 16, 2017 16:42:20   #
JediKnight
 
Zombiefarmer23 wrote:
Smells like a gluegun to me. Commie troll alert.


Do you care to explain your comment? I think Steve Bannon is closer to being communist than I have now, or ever will be!

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Feb 16, 2017 16:46:06   #
Zombiefarmer23 Loc: Bull Hills
 
JediKnight wrote:
Do you care to explain your comment? I think Steve Bannon is closer to being communist than I have now, or ever will be!


Yup. It is really gluegun.

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Feb 16, 2017 16:52:58   #
JediKnight
 
Zombiefarmer23 wrote:
Yup. It is really gluegun.


I don't know what that means....can you form a complete sentence that explains your comment?

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Feb 16, 2017 17:01:51   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
HedgeHog wrote:
I had always thought that one reason the founders made an "electoral college" responsible for electing the president, was so that those electors, having been appointed by the state legislature, would have reason to be more responsible.

I think I will look it up in my "Anti-Federalists" and "Federalists" Papers, as well as the Madison Debates. It does seem America, with its emphasis on voter rights, has taken responsibility for the election of the president off the table. That is, voters have rights, but not responsibility. A major flaw in democracy.

In order for democracy to work, the populace who wants to govern themselves, must be able to responsibly elect their representatives and governors. Voter rights advocates have diminished the importance of responsibility.
I had always thought that one reason the founders ... (show quote)


I have advocated competency tests for voters. If the person voting is ignorant of the candidate's policies as stated and of the rudiments of the political process why should they be allowed to vote? In my opinion all voters should have to demonstrate that they know who the candidates are and what are their policies on the issues of the day. I would also deny anyone on welfare, who is not disabled, the vote, because they have a vested interest in voting for whoever promises the biggest handout and they "have no skin in the game". Unfortunately it is unconstitutional to deny the vote to any individual as well as being non-egalitarian.

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Feb 16, 2017 17:04:32   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
JediKnight wrote:
There was not a problem with Obama and the EC because he won the EC votes deservedly....you know, most qualified, best educated, held public office, good character, etc. Now I do admit that there were problems with the EC 2 other times in history, well before you, I or anyone living today was even born. Your brazen anger is a possible clue to your responses - inside you know that what I wrote is true...and it upsets you. Well, you should be upset....but not with me. Your angst should be for those who so flippantly and disgracefully usurped the very Constitution they are sworn to uphold. Me, and my brothers and sisters in the military did not risk our lives daily (like the millions before us) to see people trounce on the very laws we support and are sworn to protect for ourselves and our families, for you and your family. Your anger seems to include a serious dislike (or lack of understanding) about what is fair, right and equal. Are you one of those who believe only in "white privilege?" Do you not understand that the white man did not build America alone? What would have happened if the Native Indians had told the Pilgrim's "turn your ship around - we don't accept immigrants here?" So far, nearly everything Trump has done has been a sham....he seems bent on repealing or reversing EVERYTHING that Obama did for the country....simply because Obama did it! Wouldn't Trump's time be better served in working with both parties to FIX some of the things Obama was not allowed to (your republican congress tried to block every proposal the man suggested) or could not get too? When will people learn that there will never be peace as long as one group thinks and acts as if they are the only one's who have a say in what should be? <That sir, is the definition of stupidity!
There was not a problem with Obama and the EC beca... (show quote)


That first sentence is so far divorced from reality that I didn't bother to read the rest of your post and if that is the quality of your thinking or adherence to fact it is unlikely I will read any other posts of yours.

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Feb 16, 2017 17:39:02   #
JediKnight
 
pafret wrote:
That first sentence is so far divorced from reality that I didn't bother to read the rest of your post and if that is the quality of your thinking or adherence to fact it is unlikely I will read any other posts of yours.


Which just goes to prove my point: "anything that doesn't agree with Trump or his supporters" is considered fake and unworthy for consideration....as if you're Ceasar or somebody......I hope you know what happened to him! You act as if by you not reading my posts my feelings will be hurt........absolutely NOT!
I was once told that "trying to reason with an idiot is a waste of time for fools," - now, thanks to you, I fully understand just what that means! Thanks.

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Feb 16, 2017 17:48:11   #
JediKnight
 
pafret wrote:
I have advocated competency tests for voters. If the person voting is ignorant of the candidate's policies as stated and of the rudiments of the political process why should they be allowed to vote? In my opinion all voters should have to demonstrate that they know who the candidates are and what are their policies on the issues of the day. I would also deny anyone on welfare, who is not disabled, the vote, because they have a vested interest in voting for whoever promises the biggest handout and they "have no skin in the game". Unfortunately it is unconstitutional to deny the vote to any individual as well as being non-egalitarian.
I have advocated competency tests for voters. If ... (show quote)


Pafret: based on your reasoning, most of us would not be allowed to drive a car either, because few people actually know all the electronic and engineering intricacies that go into making a car run, nor could they successfully explain how a car engine generates the necessary torque to move the vehicle along. Restricting those on welfare from voting because "they have a vested interest in voting for whoever promises the biggest handout and they "have no skin in the game" - isn't that sort of like "blaming a horse for being a horse?" The majority of people on welfare are NOT on it because they WANT TO BE....ask your friends - I'm sure you know at least a few people on welfare -as I do also. Most of those on welfare are there usually because of some misfortune in their lives, whether it be lacking the necessary skills or education to get work or a disability. So, instead of denying them their constitutional right to vote, would it not be better to create programs that will teach/train them so they can get a job and work and NOT be on welfare? Of course, that is one of the programs Obama created, that your republican brothers shot down. It appears that Republicans are great believers in "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" - but republicans are not willing to give anyone boots or allow them to purchase them from republican owned stores.....if you understand what I mean!

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Feb 16, 2017 18:18:44   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
JediKnight wrote:
Which just goes to prove my point: "anything that doesn't agree with Trump or his supporters" is considered fake and unworthy for consideration....as if you're Ceasar or somebody......I hope you know what happened to him! You act as if by you not reading my posts my feelings will be hurt........absolutely NOT!
I was once told that "trying to reason with an idiot is a waste of time for fools," - now, thanks to you, I fully understand just what that means! Thanks.


You need to read YOUR first sentence and then my response. Your knee jerk riposte does not follow. I told you your assessment of Obama is a pile of dung. I said nothing about Trump, further I told you if that was the quality of your thinking your post wasn't worth reading and here you have confirmed my assertions completely.

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