payne1000

You fail to explain what happened to the 20 floors which you claim caused "overload." They certainly disappeared in a matter of seconds. The photos show the debris from those floors being pulverized and flung hundreds of feet outward. The lower floors were undamaged structurally so as soon as your alleged "overload" was gone, the collapse should have stopped. The only force which could keep it going was explosives sequenced to travel down the Tower all the way to the base. The explosives can be seen clearly in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDoGuLpirc

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

If I am such a small person, why not ignore me? Or are you just unable to respond in script? Living in your head is really getting to you, isn't it?

payne1000

You really are obsessed with me aren't you? So much so that you have used my photo for your avatar.
You are even more twisted than I thought. I just put you on my ignore list.

emarine

The 20 floors fell straight down peeling the lower floors outward as seen In your photo... the top floors weighed over 1300 tons and the force of gravity pulls straight down... the top floors fell inside the bottom floors shearing the outer floor connections allowing the outer floors to "peel" outward... you cant fit two pounds of shit in a one pound baggie but I'm sure you will still try...putz

payne1000

NIST says the truss connections did not fail and the floors did not pancake.
Show readers your resume which gives you more credibility than NIST.
Show us your resume which gives you more credibility than this Aeronautical engineer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_4X8OVL5vo

emarine

How ignorant can you still be at this point...The NIST only studied the initial failure not the collapse... the initial failure was from plane impact damage & heat... the main collapse of the majority of the structure came from the overload of truss connections ... You want technical putz... the truss support plates failed In the HAZ area on over 90% of the structure below the plane impact zone from shear overload... case closed... no truss supports in a tube in tube structure = no structure

payne1000

NIST stopped their analysis at the initiation of collapse because to go any further, they would have to admit that explosives were involved.
You've failed to give your resume so your credibility can be validated.
Maybe you should study up on the subject some more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnnjIzamnJo

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

You just have to give up on him. No matter how much evidence is given him to counter his beliefs he will never change his mind. That is what happens with there being so much garbage in his mind.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

You can't explain it either, payne, nor do you want an explanation.

We have posted links to dozens of scientific and engineering papers detailing the dynamics of building collapses, specifically the collapses of uniquely constructed buildings subjected to unprecedented physical violence from high speed jet impacts and massive fires; we have even posted excerpts of those papers. I, personally, have avoided referencing the NIST and FEMA reports simply because of the many errors, misrepresentations, and scientific short cuts in them. Instead, I have provided links to analyses by scientists and engineers at a wide variety of universities, scientific institutions, civil, fire, and demolition engineers. These analyses are the work of accomplished and highly respected scientists (MIT, UofWI, UofHA, Purdue, Implosion World, including the work of Chief Vincent Dunn, FDNY's foremost authority on fire induced building collapse, among many others). The paper are highly technical due to the mathematics involved. But you will not accept them, entertain them, peruse them, or even acknowledge any possible validity to them. It is apparent that you would not comprehend them even if you did attempt to read any of them. Instead, without a clue to what these papers present, you dismiss them all as lies and once again post your little comic book line drawings and meaningless captions on photographs.

You have been given abundant opportunities to show that you are a reasonable and honest man who is willing to be objective--even for a little while--and to at least give an alternative explanation to your theories a fair chance. But you are not a reasonable and honest man, payne, you are fool trapped in the fictional universe of conspiracies. So, what is the point of trying to explain anything to you. If you can't fit it into a line drawn on a photograph and blame it all on Zionists, Jews, Israel or George Bush, then it means nothing to you. Without your "explosives" crutch to lean on, you'd have nothing.

payne1000

[quote=Blade_Runner]You can't explain it either, payne, nor do you want an explanation.

We have posted links to dozens of scientific and engineering papers detailing the dynamics of building collapses, specifically the collapses of uniquely constructed buildings subjected to unprecedented physical violence from high speed jet impacts and massive fires; we have even posted excerpts of those papers. I, personally, have avoided referencing the NIST and FEMA reports simply because of the many errors, misrepresentations, and scientific short cuts in them. So you admit NIST lied. NIST is a government agency controlled by the government. falsus en unum, falsis en omnibus. Instead, I have provided links to analyses by scientists and engineers at a wide variety of universities, scientific institutions, civil, fire, and demolition engineers. These analyses are the work of accomplished and highly respected scientists (MIT, UofWI, UofHA, Purdue, Implosion World, including the work of Chief Vincent Dunn, FDNY's foremost authority on fire induced building collapse, among many others). The paper are highly technical due to the mathematics involved. Highly technical mathematics are only necessary when it is necessary to cover up the truth. Mathematics can't change what can be seen with one's eyes. Mathematics can't explain how three steel-framed skyscrapers can fall on the same day showing all the characteristics of controlled demolition and yet not be controlled demolitions. But you will not accept them, entertain them, peruse them, or even acknowledge any possible validity to them. It is apparent that you would not comprehend them even if you did attempt to read any of them. Instead, without a clue to what these papers present, you dismiss them all as lies and once again post your little comic book line drawings and meaningless captions on photographs. Have you read what these thousands of Americans, most of them experts in their field, have said about 9/11? They contradict every lie you have told on this forum. Have you read any of their comments and analysis? I suspect you will ignore this question. http://patriotsquestion911.com/

You have been given abundant opportunities to show that you are a reasonable and honest man who is willing to be objective--even for a little while--and to at least give an alternative explanation to your theories a fair chance. But you are not a reasonable and honest man, payne, you are fool trapped in the fictional universe of conspiracies. I am honest enough to reveal my real name and show my photo. You will not do either and cannot give a valid reason for your refusal. So, what is the point of trying to explain anything to you. If you can't fit it into a line drawn on a photograph and blame it all on Zionists, Jews, Israel or George Bush, then it means nothing to you. Without your "explosives" crutch to lean on, you'd have nothing. You have not been able to refute what I show on the photographs. Why is that?

emarine

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Larry... You do realize that one explosives sniffing dog deployed anytime after 911 would have saved a 4.6 billion dollar insurance payout... You do realize that one piece of steel showing explosive damage or residue out of the 100' of tons of steel inspected would have saved a 4.6 billion dollar insurance payout... I know the insurance company's were in on it too ... but this is proof of why the towers collapsed after the initial movement from the weight of the top floors above the impact from the jet planes... You will need to brush up on the "HAZ" or heat effected zone from welding operations to completely understand this report... you can refute the findings if you choose... otherwise just read & shut up already... http://app.aws.org/wj/supplement/WJ_2007_09_s263.pdf

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

No, I did not admit NIST lied. I said NIST made errors, misrepresented the facts, and took short cuts. They did an incomplete an rather incompetent job of it, they did not lie.

Without your "explosives" crutch, you'd have nothing. 2 + 2 = 4, numbnuts. Mathematics does not lie.

I have already listened to these fools, payne. They are all full of shit.

No desire to reveal my identity to a conspiracy loon is definitely a valid reason.

I would have no problem refuting your coloring book mentality, I, and others, have tried many times, but as I said, you will never stop limping along on your "explosives" crutch. If you didn't have that to hold you up, you'd fall on your ass.

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

If he did that he would get a bloody nose.

payne1000

All your obfuscation doesn't hide the fact that the photos and videos all show three towers being brought down by controlled demolition. Most of the time you act as if WTC7 never existed. NIST couldn't explain why WTC7 fell until they just gave up and said it fell from normal office fires. Every engineer and architect in the world knows that's not possible.
"falsus en unum, falsis en omnibus."
My Samsung cell phone doesn't add those (. . . s) when I pause while dictating. You failed to answer my question as to which phone you use which does add those periods.
Could your dictating device be like the ones these Israelis are using?

payne1000

I see nothing but impatient denial in this latest reply.
You don't answer my questions. You only post nasty denials.
Now you blame me for being the reason you won't reveal your identity.
No one in our 9/11 debates has been less threatening than me.
You and your cronies have posted veiled threats to me numerous times.
The reason you can't reveal your identity is because it would end the small
amount of credibility you have with the already misinformed members here.