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Jan 16, 2017 22:40:57   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
lindajoy: Here is one for you! If you extrapolate a line through the earth's center (pole to pole) that extrapolation will intersect the North Star. Thats why that star has never moved while we watched it for thousands of years. That extrapolation is on a 23 and one half degree tilt. Now with all spheres that rotate there is a gyroscopic precession. In our case that precession is plus or minus 7 degrees in one complete procession. What is amazing is the fact that it takes 25 thousand year for just on complete precession. Just imagine how this total procession of 14 degrees can effect our climate? We are just a spect of time in our calculation of weather.....we really know nothing about climate change! Only our perfect order solar system with time can predict what is really happening. Hoot Owl Gore and his ilk are pumping lots of sand!!!!!
lindajoy: Here is one for you! If you extrapolat... (show quote)


We do know how it affects climate. Twelve thousand Years ago North Africa has a series of lakes and rivers that exceeded the great Lakes in surface area. There were large numbers of every kind of fish and fresh water shellfish. . The water came from monsoons that were created by the tilt of the axis of earth. Then, a tipping point was reaches nd the monsoon system moved eastward into the Indian Ocean. everything in Africa dried up, the budding civilization there failed leaving only their graves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_North_Africa

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Jan 16, 2017 23:48:13   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Louie27 wrote:
Transparent like the Obama administration?

Transparent administrations don't happen. It's the Legislative Branch for crying out loud.

Louie27 wrote:

Everything the government mandates comes at a price to the American people.

So does freedom.

Louie27 wrote:

Who drove that with the ACA? The media of course.

Are you sure you understood what the media was actually saying?

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Jan 16, 2017 23:59:59   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Louie27 wrote:
The reason for that is the Democrats want it their way and only their way. They will not vote for anything the Republicans are in favor of doing. I suppose that no Democrat lies? We have seen the fallacy of that statement for the about the last 50 years.

Seriously, it still boggles my mind that people can still say things like that and not feel like a total douche. Each of your four sentences is a carbon copy of what the Democrats have been saying about the Republicans for the past 4 years. Monkey see, monkey do?

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Jan 17, 2017 01:26:01   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
lindajoy wrote:
Your suggestion valid, yet does not conform to progressives in moving this country away from freedom and fully entrenched into socialism..

Don't lie Linda - it's not becoming. ;)

lindajoy wrote:

Government needs our tax dollars to cover their over spending debts

No they don't. WE ask the government for services and WE pay for them so that WE don't HAVE to borrow... That's how you stay out of debt. Just ask the "tax-and-spend" Democrats... they're the only one's that can seem to do it.

lindajoy wrote:

or replace money they stole from certain programs....SS and Medicare are not entitlement programs they are from our money, not theirs...

Hmm, in practice there's not much difference... SS is essentially a trust fund and is excluded from the budget because the people don't fund it... their employers do. But the entitlement programs ARE funded by the people AND they're in the budget. My point is... either way, the money is in the hands of the government and at no point does it ever belong to them. Whether it's a trust fund, an insurance account or a treasury it comes down to the same basic condition.

lindajoy wrote:

The ACA or BO CARE was never intended to be self sustaining or good for the people, it was intended to make us dependants of government, loosing our choice, right of freedom from government and a way to further control us...

What *is* that? It's like some kind of cheesy sci-fi from the 50's.
It shouldn't be so difficult to criticize the mistakes, and miscalculations that were made when setting up the ACA that you need to resort to that... corny shit.

lindajoy wrote:

They forgot where there is no society there is no country...We were never asked about this forced coverage we were told, not even our Congress was given a chance to read the 2000 pages of garbage...Politics at their worst!!

Ugh. It was debated and developed for years before passing... The media covered it, the government disclosed it in plain view the whole time. You had as much chance as any citizen to write to your representative, to sign petitions... shit, I've signed tons of petitions. "YES on healthcare reform!" Kaiser-Permanente published a blow by blow account of the process, with each change in the draft analyzed for consumers. YOU apparently weren't paying attention. That bill was bounced around from House to Senate to House to Senate and the bit about the Congress not having a chance to read 2000 pages is an exaggeration of a very typical scenario where the final draft of a bill is delivered in the 11th hour.

lindajoy wrote:

Now Insurance is a right~~ a right of what???

The right to be a healthy American. :)

lindajoy wrote:

Now we spread the wealth and pay for everyone to have insurance...And it is the worst ruling the SCOTUS ever put through...

How is that the worst ruling? Are you kidding me? First of all, we were already spreading the wealth anyway... You never paid more for an insurance in one year than you claimed in that same year? Where do you think that money went? It covered someone else, that's where it went. And if you don't know what I'm talking about then YOU are the person that MY premiums were covering all these years. Secondly, there are a number of good reasons for suggesting we all get health care coverage ranging from better living standards to better defense against biological warfare.

lindajoy wrote:

Having continued to rule against it, repeal is all that is viable..

The courts never ruled against it. All they could do was chip away a few provisions, but the framing was solid... and TOTALLY constitutional.

lindajoy wrote:

What do we do with everyone once it is repealed?? All those people left uninsured?? It isn't our fault this mess was forced on everyone...Repeal but do keep no denials for Pre-existing or I also read where Trump suggested allow purchase of Insurance across state lines, look into developing a Federally funded program for pre'existing and or pool for the uninsured so they do remain insured...Does that mean Medicaid??

It means socialism... Dang. You just suggested something that's more socialist than the ACA. The ACA is almost entirely funded through insurance premiums on an open market... You KNOW that "federally funded" means taxes, right? And pool..? Pool what? the lice from the heads of the uninsured? If you're going to cover the uninsured then you're going to have to get money from somewhere else, 'cause THEY ain't gonna have any... so who's going to pay? More taxes, Hmm?

lindajoy wrote:

Too much to do and we need him office to get it resolved...

Who? Forrest Trump?
...Like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get. Don't be disappointed if he doesn't turn out to be everything you had hoped for... I'll be right here with a box of tissues for you.

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Jan 17, 2017 02:03:30   #
Nickolai
 
cSc61 wrote:
When politicians and media pundits on television discuss what's to become of Obamacare, the phase I keep hearing over and over is "repeal & replace." "Obamacare must be repealed & replaced ASAP!" The biggest argument these days seem to be around the 'replace' portion. What will Republicans replace the Affordable Care Act with ... and, how can they repeal Obamacare before they have something to replace it with.

Here's my question. Why does it need to be replaced with anything. When did repeal & replace become this nation's ONLY option. Why not just repeal it and go back to where we were 8 years ago. I don't remember the country clamoring after the government to take over our healthcare before Obama's lackeys came to power in 2009. Yes, there were issues regarding a small percentage of citizens who were uninsured, and an even smaller fraction of those who found themselves un-insurable. This issue needs to be studied to determine how best to help this 5-7% of the population. But when did we as a nation just settle on the fact that the Government must control and govern the healthcare of 350 million Americans in order to provide a safety net for the few?

Why not just repeal it - period. Go back to square one -- pre-2009 -- and fix what needed mending before the socialist came to power and stole one-seventh our nations GDP out from under us. Seems we're being brainwashed yet again. This time we're being told we can't repeal Obamacare before we have something to replace it with. They want everyone repeating the same phrase over and over instead of asking the question, WHY!? Why does the government need to be involved at all?

I'll tell you why ... because they created yet another entitlement program ... a program that has become unmanageable, unsustainable, and nearly impossible to back out of. And there isn't a single politician, Republican or Democrat, who wants to eliminate an entitlement program that garners them votes, power, and allows them control another layer of our lives.

I feel like a lone voice in the wilderness but I say "REPEAL ONLY - REPLACE WITH NOTHING!"

I'd like to hear from "repeal & replace" advocates why I'm wrong.
When politicians and media pundits on television d... (show quote)







Because we spend 18 % of our GDP on health care and millions stlll have no insurance and rely on ER for health care the most expensive option Health care in the US is the most dysfunctional of the OECD nations all of whom provide universal health care to all their citizens and none pay more than 10 %

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Jan 17, 2017 10:11:53   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
You need to apologize you smarmy piece of shit. Linda does not lie. She just has the audacity to disagree with you.
straightUp wrote:
Who? Forrest Trump?
...Like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get. Don't be disappointed if he doesn't turn out to be everything you had hoped for... I'll be right here with a box of tissues for you.

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Jan 17, 2017 10:16:02   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Nickolai wrote:
Because we spend 18 % of our GDP on health care and millions stlll have no insurance and rely on ER for health care the most expensive option Health care in the US is the most dysfunctional of the OECD nations all of whom provide universal health care to all their citizens and none pay more than 10 %


Hey Durpwad nick.......Our healthcare is still the best on the face of the Earth...even as screwed up as it currently is!

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Jan 17, 2017 10:57:48   #
JimMe
 
lindajoy wrote:
You recite many of the same conclusions I have said in here about climate change, which is just a scam for the few to monopolize on..

The Earth has her own internal mechanisms to heat or cool as it needs to..if you believe the age is 4.5 billion years perhaps she knows what she is doing, right......




When you state "... The Earth has her own internal mechanisms to heat or cool as it needs to..." you're giving too much credit for Earth's natural changes...

Our planet doesn't regulate heat or cool based on needs... Our planet goes thru changes in heat or cool based on its natural movement of its mantle, its crust, its atmosphere, as well as effects caused by the Sun and other planets...

One Mount Saint Helens changes the Earth's atmosphere more than all human endeavors combined...

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Jan 17, 2017 11:16:48   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JimMe wrote:
When you state "... The Earth has her own internal mechanisms to heat or cool as it needs to..." you're giving too much credit for Earth's natural changes...

Our planet doesn't regulate heat or cool based on needs... Our planet goes thru changes in heat or cool based on its natural movement of its mantle, its crust, its atmosphere, as well as effects caused by the Sun and other planets...

One Mount Saint Helens changes the Earth's atmosphere more than all human endeavors combined...
When you state "... The Earth has her own int... (show quote)


Jim, we are saying the same thing, just differently..Natural changes is exactly what I meant..She goes through natural changes based on those things, along with much more, that you posted..Natural movement can also be described as "needs"~~ just not in the technological base you gave...

Regardless of the defining, she does what is needed, given the conditions occurring, is that better??

As for Mount St. Helen, wowww is she spectacular and can be devastating if she erupts like she did in 1980..

Weren't there like 60 or so in deaths, and over a billion dollars in damages, when it partially collapsed??

I remember reading it spewed ash to eleven states not including Canada also effected by it...I had gone there to do one of the lower level walk abouts...They have pictures when it erupted of it and the devastation to towns..Trees too, terrible it was..

Now that's effect change caused by yet another natural phenomena...

Interesting topic, Thank You for your reply..

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Jan 17, 2017 12:01:12   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
JimMe wrote:
When you state "... The Earth has her own internal mechanisms to heat or cool as it needs to..." you're giving too much credit for Earth's natural changes...

Our planet doesn't regulate heat or cool based on needs... Our planet goes thru changes in heat or cool based on its natural movement of its mantle, its crust, its atmosphere, as well as effects caused by the Sun and other planets...

One Mount Saint Helens changes the Earth's atmosphere more than all human endeavors combined...
When you state "... The Earth has her own int... (show quote)


JimMe: When Mt Pinatubo blew its top in 1991; it put more fluorocarbons into the air than all industrial Nations could produce in 1000 years as well! It is "Owl Gore and his ilk'" that are polluting the Earth with hypocrisy!!! The useless and useful idiots just love it!!!!!!

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Jan 17, 2017 12:36:53   #
chris4
 
You know why that top on Rep list which should be security you would think ,But it more important to screw American people first like always, The Rep own the insurance company ,I sure hospital all that if truth way known , They can fix the affordable Care by fixing Dr over charging ,hospital over charging , pharmaceutical over charging, list goes on and on how they could fix it , But they rather you never have anything , Have insurance that take everything from you , This stuff people need to be staying against .On top of them not paying wages for people to be able to live on

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Jan 17, 2017 12:42:05   #
chris4
 
Well you cannot claim that digging the earth up for oil isn't making more earth quakes this that BEC there been a Raise in earth quakes in Oklahoma, mo , Arkansas , all over the place where they been drilling for oil , That not counting the spills in the water ruining the water so not usable ,I sorry but water is more important then rich f getting rich off oil

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Jan 17, 2017 12:44:11   #
chris4
 
That because the other countries actually care about their people our leaders are greedy & don't care ,

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Jan 17, 2017 12:47:58   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
chris4 wrote:
Well you cannot claim that digging the earth up for oil isn't making more earth quakes this that BEC there been a Raise in earth quakes in Oklahoma, mo , Arkansas , all over the place where they been drilling for oil , That not counting the spills in the water ruining the water so not usable ,I sorry but water is more important then rich f getting rich off oil


Perhaps you will read this for a second opinon??

https://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/induced/myths.php

Fact 1: Fracking is NOT causing most of the induced earthquakes. Wastewater disposal is the primary cause of the recent increase in earthquakes in the central United States.
Wastewater disposal wells typically operate for longer durations and inject much more fluid than hydraulic fracturing, making them more likely to induce earthquakes. Enhanced oil recovery injects fluid into rock layers where oil and gas have already been extracted, while wastewater injection often occurs in never-before-touched rocks. Therefore, wastewater injection can raise pressure levels more than enhanced oil recovery, and thus increases the likelihood of induced earthquakes.<snip, plenty more to read, just stopped here...

Welcome as well..A lot of good people and interesting topics to enjoy...

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Jan 17, 2017 12:48:59   #
chris4
 
I don't know where you getting that from , Sounds like to me alot of our good Dr are leaving to other countries, where they can take care of people without the government telling them how to do their jobs , The government has no business getting into people doctor records ,And telling a doctor how much or what to give their patients , Just because pharmaceutical wants to try use everyone for genuepig ,

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