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Jan 15, 2017 18:12:06   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
LOL... might be time for your pills archie.


I think you should be in the Venezuelan government. That's what you seem to want for us, and we don't want it. Sorry my friend, but I don't buy your socialist bullshit no matter how much you sugar coat it.

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Jan 15, 2017 18:52:06   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
JFlorio wrote:
Not just open the markets. Let the consumer see what and how much we are paying for. Open up the insurance companies to transparency. I want too know what the difference is if I pay in cash compared to what they bill insurance. Just not fair the way it's done now. I liken it to a restaurant where the person at another table orders the same thing I do. He gets charged $5.00 and I get charged $15.00. I'd throw a fit and so would everyone else, but that's exactly what the medical providers do and we say nothing.
Not just open the markets. Let the consumer see wh... (show quote)


Companies like Blue Cross, Blue shield have contracts that guarantee a specific payment for a specific service, All based on actuarially sound figures. If YOU want to guarantee payments for tens if not hundreds of thousands of people , the Hospitals will charge you the same as BC, BS otherwise you will pay $25 for a ten cent aspirin.

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Jan 15, 2017 19:04:29   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
You have no clue. Period.
peter11937 wrote:
Companies like Blue Cross, Blue shield have contracts that guarantee a specific payment for a specific service, All based on actuarially sound figures. If YOU want to guarantee payments for tens if not hundreds of thousands of people , the Hospitals will charge you the same as BC, BS otherwise you will pay $25 for a ten cent aspirin.

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Jan 15, 2017 19:08:31   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
JFlorio wrote:
You have no clue. Period.


I have no clue.......

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Jan 15, 2017 20:36:31   #
Holdenbeach4u Loc: Holden Beach , NC
 
What has the Federal Government run good the last 80 years or more. I can name only one thing the Army, Navy, Air Force
and Marines and others! Every Federal program always over run in money year after year. Look at the Federal programs like
SS , Medicare, VA Hospitals some are not worth a crap !~

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Jan 15, 2017 20:37:49   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Is there an echo or have you finally seen the light?
peter11937 wrote:
I have no clue.......
I have no clue....... img src="https://static.one... (show quote)

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Jan 15, 2017 20:51:13   #
Holdenbeach4u Loc: Holden Beach , NC
 
LED LIGHTS !

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Jan 15, 2017 22:21:15   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
straightUp wrote:
With the Democrats it's not so obvious. They tend to nominate experienced politicians with law degrees which is appropriate for leading a law-based government. It's clearly the Republicans that look for businessmen, Hollywood actors and hockey moms to try to make that popular connection which leaves actual government leadership in question.

JFK was the last Democratic president before the Southern conservatives left the party. I'm pretty familiar with the conservative tendency to see him as the last good Democrat. I suspect that has a LOT more to do with partisan loyalty than unbiased assessment. As for me, I'm still waiting for evidence to suggest Obama is anything other than a true leader.
With the Democrats it's not so obvious. They tend ... (show quote)


straightUp: obama is an usurper!

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Jan 15, 2017 23:49:27   #
boofhead
 
I have never taken a dollar from the government in the way of benefits or aid. I have never been on the dole and hope I never have to stoop so low. I consider that this country has lost its way, its morals, its pride. It is a disgrace to the Greatest Generation, which was the one prior to mine and one I could never hope to emulate, and all who came before. One of the signs is the way the people of this country have accepted that it is OK for them to take money from their fellow citizens at the point of a gun so that they do not have to pay for a basic need of health care. So you get cheap premiums from the ACA, which is intended as a way to control you. But guess what; the premiums are not cheap. They are full price, way more than you see. 5 or six times more than what you pay, but someone pays the difference; that someone is ME. And every other person with pride and a willingness to support himself/herself. If you take the ACA, where is YOUR pride? Don't you know that if you take money from the government it is not their money that you take? And once you take it you belong to THEM. Body and Soul.

The cost of healthcare in this country is 5 times more than it is in any other industrialized country and the results are worse in every metric. It is a cash cow for the corporations and they lobby the politicians, the ones WE pay to represent us, to do their bidding, not ours. We are being robbed blind and it will continue to get worse because there is no resistance to their plans and machinations. The true cost of health care includes the damage it does to the entire economy, to our productivity, our competitiveness in the world. No other country bears such a burden, every toy you buy for your kid, every car you buy for your wife, every glass of beer you drink has a component of the true cost of healthcare as it is practiced in this country. Every penny you give to the healthcare industry, and the part of that payment that is syphoned off for the corrupt politicians who vote it in and keep it going, comes out of everyone's pocket, except those pockets that are wrapped around the plump hips of the healthcare captains and their puppets, the Congressmen and Senators. State and Federal.

It will never end, the country will collapse with the debt but so long as the corrupt few are getting theirs, nothing will change. No matter how much we, the chattering class, complain.

The cost goes up because there is always more and more money available to feed the beast. They have us where they want us, at their mercy, of which they have none.

I have paid my way, and work hard to continue to do so, but I too am subject to the cost of healthcare, the premiums, the out of pocket, the deductibles, the disallowed, the drugs, appliances, taxes, the pre-existing, and all the other tricks they use to gouge us and we are too fearful to speak up. "Help us!" we cry but those to whom we send our plea laugh and pocket our money, knowing that we are helpless and always will be. Until it is all gone. How long, do you wonder, will that be?

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Jan 16, 2017 03:56:55   #
JimMe
 
straightUp wrote:
Interesting idea. Sort of like giving them enough rope to hang themselves. I know people who are going to suffer when/if the ACA is repealed so it's hard to accept this. I'm also familiar enough with the Culture of Ignorance to know that many America idiots are incapable of learning from mistakes. Even if millions of people wind up dying from a lack of healthcare, the few that prefer it that way will always have a scapegoat to offer these incapable people. They will say it's the fault of the Marxists, or the Muslims or, whatever... it really doesn't matter, the point is to maintain ignorance. So you're idea fails to present any advantage as far as persuasion goes, but I do agree with you on a technical standpoint... Repealing the ACA without replacement would be the most effective way to understand the impact.

As far as sweeping the Republicans from office... I refer to my second point... Republican sponsored policies are responsible for almost every problem Republican voters bitch about and yet politicians always find a way (usually by lying) to blame it on Democrats. It's a game played by politicians and they have always been able to count on vast numbers of emotional and illiterate voters to keep it going.

Trump will certainly be a laughing stock for liberal-minded comedians on late night television and more importantly, his election is already spurring massive counter-movements on the ground, but Republican strategy has long relegated the office of the president to a fixture in a house of smoke and mirrors, while actual power emanates from those hidden in the shadows. Nixon was probably the last Republican president to act as a true leader. Reagan was nominated because of his popularity but he didn't lead as much as he followed. In a sense he became a mere spokesman for the agenda that others behind him controlled. GW Bush sticks out because unlike Reagan, he didn't even have the capacity to *act* like a leader. Of course, in his defense, the ulterior motives of the Republican agenda did become much harder to conceal. When you look at the nominations since then, such as Sarah Palin for vice president you can see how the qualifications have more to do with public relations than the capacity to lead. The point I'm making here is that Trump, whether or not he's what the GOP really wanted, is about to be controlled by his party. His own appointees are already promising the party to keep him on a leash so the ability for Trump to "drain the swamp" is doubtful at most.

Repealing the ACA has always been a Republican objective and they have been prompting the Culture of Ignorance into opposition since before it even became a law. Trump's opposition to the ACA is part of his banking on this Culture of Ignorance to get elected. The party will use that to their advantage of course, but if the ACA is indeed repealed, it will be the result of Republican manipulation that Trump himself will have little to do with. People will suffer of course, but once again the Culture of Ignorance will find themselves blaming anything but the repeal for the pains they endure and they will probably vote for more Republican abuse in 2018.

I expect the Republicans will loose ground in 2018 and you're right, repealing the ACA will almost guarantee that, but that's because it will motivate the apathetic half of the moderate citizens that didn't vote in 2016. The Republicans won't be wiped out... ignorance might even give them more votes than they got in 2016, but that 54% that didn't vote in 2016? Yeah, THEY will be the ones to make the change.
Interesting idea. Sort of like giving them enough ... (show quote)




To state "... Republican sponsored policies are responsible for almost every problem Republican voters bitch about and yet politicians always find a way (usually by lying) to blame it on Democrats..." proves you're lying long and hard...

There hasn't been a GOP HealthCare Policy in effect since 2007 when the Democrats took over Congress... The blame is put on the Democrats because for the past decade it's been the Democrats HealthCare Policies that are the only ones in effect...

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Jan 16, 2017 06:54:23   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
archie bunker wrote:
I think you should be in the Venezuelan government. That's what you seem to want for us, and we don't want it. Sorry my friend, but I don't buy your socialist bullshit no matter how much you sugar coat it.



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Jan 16, 2017 09:52:02   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
archie bunker wrote:
I think you should be in the Venezuelan government. That's what you seem to want for us, and we don't want it. Sorry my friend, but I don't buy your socialist bullshit no matter how much you sugar coat it.

Archie, you wouldn't know what socialism is if it bit you in the face.

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Jan 16, 2017 09:56:51   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Hey Arch. You wouldn't know socialism if it bit you in the face? If SU says it, it must be so.

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Jan 16, 2017 10:00:15   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
JimMe wrote:
To state "... Republican sponsored policies are responsible for almost every problem Republican voters bitch about and yet politicians always find a way (usually by lying) to blame it on Democrats..." proves you're lying long and hard...

There hasn't been a GOP HealthCare Policy in effect since 2007 when the Democrats took over Congress... The blame is put on the Democrats because for the past decade it's been the Democrats HealthCare Policies that are the only ones in effect...
To state "... Republican sponsored policies ... (show quote)

I wasn't referring to healthcare.... I said "Republican sponsored policies are responsible for almost every problem Republican voters bitch about" ...in case you haven't noticed, they bitch about a LOT more than just healthcare. And the complaint about the ACA (which is largely a set of ideas borrowed from Republicans) is almost entirely based on false premises, even among those who are at least smart enough to know the ACA is not socialism.

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Jan 16, 2017 10:09:28   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
JFlorio wrote:
Hey Arch. You wouldn't know socialism if it bit you in the face? If SU says it, it must be so.


Just because you haven't been able to disprove anything I've said so far, doesn't automatically make me right all the time. ;)

As for Archie, well, he's the one calling me a socialist like it's some kind of insult. Mindless accusations involving socialism seem to be quite popular among the retards on the right. I've seen at least five such posts right here on this thread. Either, they think it's insulting or they really don't know what socialism is. For the record, I do not identify as a socialist. I think there are some things socialism is good for and other things capitalism is better for. I don't get religious about economic systems.

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