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Mar 23, 2017 14:17:21   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
"Are We Living In A 'Matrix'-like Superhologram?"
Posted: 22 Mar 2017 10:52 AM PDT

by David Talbot

http://homepages. ihug. co. nz/~sai/hologram. html

"In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science. Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations.

University of London physicist David Bohm, for example, believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram. To understand why Bohm makes this startling assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms. A hologram is a three- dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser. To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the reflected light of the first and the resulting interference pattern (the area where the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film. When the film is developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But as soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a three-dimensional image of the original object appears.

The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire image of the rose. Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, each snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact version of the original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole. The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order. For most of its history, Western science has labored under the bias that the best way to understand a physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study its respective parts. A hologram teaches us that some things in the universe may not lend themselves to this approach. If we try to take apart something constructed holographically, we will not get the pieces of which it is made, we will only get smaller wholes.

This insight suggested to Bohm another way of understanding Aspect's discovery. Bohm believes the reason subatomic particles are able to remain in contact with one another regardless of the distance separating them is not because they are sending some sort of mysterious signal back and forth, but because their separateness is an illusion. He argues that at some deeper level of reality such particles are not individual entities, but are actually extensions of the same fundamental something.

To enable people to better visualize what he means, Bohm offers the following illustration. Imagine an aquarium containing a fish. Imagine also that you are unable to see the aquarium directly and your knowledge about it and what it contains comes from two television cameras, one directed at the aquarium's front and the other directed at its side. As you stare at the two television monitors, you might assume that the fish on each of the screens are separate entities. After all, because the cameras are set at different angles, each of the images will be slightly different. But as you continue to watch the two fish, you will eventually become aware that there is a certain relationship between them. When one turns, the other also makes a slightly different but corresponding turn; when one faces the front, the other always faces toward the side. If you remain unaware of the full scope of the situation, you might even conclude that the fish must be instantaneously communicating with one another, but this is clearly not the case.

This, says Bohm, is precisely what is going on between the subatomic particles in Aspect's experiment. According to Bohm, the apparent faster-than-light connection between subatomic particles is really telling us that there is a deeper level of reality we are not privy to, a more complex dimension beyond our own that is analogous to the aquarium. And, he adds, we view objects such as subatomic particles as separate from one another because we are seeing only a portion of their reality. Such particles are not separate "parts", but facets of a deeper and more underlying unity that is ultimately as holographic and indivisible as the previously mentioned rose. And since everything in physical reality is comprised of these "eidolons", the universe is itself a projection, a hologram.

In addition to its phantomlike nature, such a universe would possess other rather startling features. If the apparent separateness of subatomic particles is illusory, it means that at a deeper level of reality all things in the universe are infinitely interconnected. The electrons in a carbon atom in the human brain are connected to the subatomic particles that comprise every salmon that swims, every heart that beats, and every star that shimmers in the sky. Everything interpenetrates everything, and although human nature may seek to categorize and pigeonhole and subdivide, the various phenomena of the universe, all apportionments are of necessity artificial and all of nature is ultimately a seamless web.

In a holographic universe, even time and space could no longer be viewed as fundamentals. Because concepts such as location break down in a universe in which nothing is truly separate from anything else, time and three-dimensional space, like the images of the fish on the TV monitors, would also have to be viewed as projections of this deeper order. At its deeper level reality is a sort of superhologram in which the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. This suggests that given the proper tools it might even be possible to someday reach into the superholographic level of reality and pluck out scenes from the long-forgotten past.

What else the superhologram contains is an open-ended question. Allowing, for the sake of argument, that the superhologram is the matrix that has given birth to everything in our universe, at the very least it contains every subatomic particle that has been or will be - every configuration of matter and energy that is possible, from snowflakes to quasars, from blue whales to gamma rays. It must be seen as a sort of cosmic storehouse of "All That Is. " Although Bohm concedes that we have no way of knowing what else might lie hidden in the superhologram, he does venture to say that we have no reason to assume it does not contain more. Or, perhaps the superholographic level of reality is a "mere stage" beyond which lies "an infinity of further development. "

Leonard Susskind, "The World As Hologram"

Leonard Susskind of the Stanford Institute for Theoretical Physics discusses the indestructability of information and the nature of black holes in a lecture entitled "The World As Hologram. "

http://www. youtube. com/watch?v=2DIl3Hfh9tY

Related:
“Welcome To The Super Hologram”
http://conscioushologram. wordpress. com/2013/12/11/welcome-to-the-super-hologram/

"The Universe As A Hologram"
http://coyoteprime-runningcauseicantfly. blogspot. com/2014/09/the-universe-as-hologram. html?m=0

“Are We Living in a Holographic Universe?”
http://coyoteprime-runningcauseicantfly. blogspot. de/2011/07/are-we-living-in-holographic-universe. html

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Mar 23, 2017 15:37:14   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
pafret wrote:
"Are We Living In A 'Matrix'-like Superhologram?"
Posted: 22 Mar 2017 10:52 AM PDT

by David Talbot

http://homepages. ihug. co. nz/~sai/hologram. html

"In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science. Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations.

University of London physicist David Bohm, for example, believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram. To understand why Bohm makes this startling assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms. A hologram is a three- dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser. To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the reflected light of the first and the resulting interference pattern (the area where the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film. When the film is developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But as soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a three-dimensional image of the original object appears.

The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire image of the rose. Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, each snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact version of the original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole. The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order. For most of its history, Western science has labored under the bias that the best way to understand a physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study its respective parts. A hologram teaches us that some things in the universe may not lend themselves to this approach. If we try to take apart something constructed holographically, we will not get the pieces of which it is made, we will only get smaller wholes.

This insight suggested to Bohm another way of understanding Aspect's discovery. Bohm believes the reason subatomic particles are able to remain in contact with one another regardless of the distance separating them is not because they are sending some sort of mysterious signal back and forth, but because their separateness is an illusion. He argues that at some deeper level of reality such particles are not individual entities, but are actually extensions of the same fundamental something.

To enable people to better visualize what he means, Bohm offers the following illustration. Imagine an aquarium containing a fish. Imagine also that you are unable to see the aquarium directly and your knowledge about it and what it contains comes from two television cameras, one directed at the aquarium's front and the other directed at its side. As you stare at the two television monitors, you might assume that the fish on each of the screens are separate entities. After all, because the cameras are set at different angles, each of the images will be slightly different. But as you continue to watch the two fish, you will eventually become aware that there is a certain relationship between them. When one turns, the other also makes a slightly different but corresponding turn; when one faces the front, the other always faces toward the side. If you remain unaware of the full scope of the situation, you might even conclude that the fish must be instantaneously communicating with one another, but this is clearly not the case.

This, says Bohm, is precisely what is going on between the subatomic particles in Aspect's experiment. According to Bohm, the apparent faster-than-light connection between subatomic particles is really telling us that there is a deeper level of reality we are not privy to, a more complex dimension beyond our own that is analogous to the aquarium. And, he adds, we view objects such as subatomic particles as separate from one another because we are seeing only a portion of their reality. Such particles are not separate "parts", but facets of a deeper and more underlying unity that is ultimately as holographic and indivisible as the previously mentioned rose. And since everything in physical reality is comprised of these "eidolons", the universe is itself a projection, a hologram.

In addition to its phantomlike nature, such a universe would possess other rather startling features. If the apparent separateness of subatomic particles is illusory, it means that at a deeper level of reality all things in the universe are infinitely interconnected. The electrons in a carbon atom in the human brain are connected to the subatomic particles that comprise every salmon that swims, every heart that beats, and every star that shimmers in the sky. Everything interpenetrates everything, and although human nature may seek to categorize and pigeonhole and subdivide, the various phenomena of the universe, all apportionments are of necessity artificial and all of nature is ultimately a seamless web.

In a holographic universe, even time and space could no longer be viewed as fundamentals. Because concepts such as location break down in a universe in which nothing is truly separate from anything else, time and three-dimensional space, like the images of the fish on the TV monitors, would also have to be viewed as projections of this deeper order. At its deeper level reality is a sort of superhologram in which the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. This suggests that given the proper tools it might even be possible to someday reach into the superholographic level of reality and pluck out scenes from the long-forgotten past.

What else the superhologram contains is an open-ended question. Allowing, for the sake of argument, that the superhologram is the matrix that has given birth to everything in our universe, at the very least it contains every subatomic particle that has been or will be - every configuration of matter and energy that is possible, from snowflakes to quasars, from blue whales to gamma rays. It must be seen as a sort of cosmic storehouse of "All That Is. " Although Bohm concedes that we have no way of knowing what else might lie hidden in the superhologram, he does venture to say that we have no reason to assume it does not contain more. Or, perhaps the superholographic level of reality is a "mere stage" beyond which lies "an infinity of further development. "

Leonard Susskind, "The World As Hologram"

Leonard Susskind of the Stanford Institute for Theoretical Physics discusses the indestructability of information and the nature of black holes in a lecture entitled "The World As Hologram. "

http://www. youtube. com/watch?v=2DIl3Hfh9tY

Related:
“Welcome To The Super Hologram”
http://conscioushologram. wordpress. com/2013/12/11/welcome-to-the-super-hologram/

"The Universe As A Hologram"
http://coyoteprime-runningcauseicantfly. blogspot. com/2014/09/the-universe-as-hologram. html?m=0

“Are We Living in a Holographic Universe?”
http://coyoteprime-runningcauseicantfly. blogspot. de/2011/07/are-we-living-in-holographic-universe. html
"Are We Living In A 'Matrix'-like Superhologr... (show quote)


A little more on this:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/video/is-our-universe-a-hologram-video/

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/universe-really-is-a-holo/

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Mar 23, 2017 20:29:36   #
solarkin
 
pafret wrote:
"Are We Living In A 'Matrix'-like Superhologram?"
Posted: 22 Mar 2017 10:52 AM PDT

by David Talbot

http://homepages. ihug. co. nz/~sai/hologram. html

"In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science. Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations.

University of London physicist David Bohm, for example, believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram. To understand why Bohm makes this startling assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms. A hologram is a three- dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser. To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the reflected light of the first and the resulting interference pattern (the area where the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film. When the film is developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But as soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a three-dimensional image of the original object appears.

The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire image of the rose. Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, each snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact version of the original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole. The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order. For most of its history, Western science has labored under the bias that the best way to understand a physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study its respective parts. A hologram teaches us that some things in the universe may not lend themselves to this approach. If we try to take apart something constructed holographically, we will not get the pieces of which it is made, we will only get smaller wholes.

This insight suggested to Bohm another way of understanding Aspect's discovery. Bohm believes the reason subatomic particles are able to remain in contact with one another regardless of the distance separating them is not because they are sending some sort of mysterious signal back and forth, but because their separateness is an illusion. He argues that at some deeper level of reality such particles are not individual entities, but are actually extensions of the same fundamental something.

To enable people to better visualize what he means, Bohm offers the following illustration. Imagine an aquarium containing a fish. Imagine also that you are unable to see the aquarium directly and your knowledge about it and what it contains comes from two television cameras, one directed at the aquarium's front and the other directed at its side. As you stare at the two television monitors, you might assume that the fish on each of the screens are separate entities. After all, because the cameras are set at different angles, each of the images will be slightly different. But as you continue to watch the two fish, you will eventually become aware that there is a certain relationship between them. When one turns, the other also makes a slightly different but corresponding turn; when one faces the front, the other always faces toward the side. If you remain unaware of the full scope of the situation, you might even conclude that the fish must be instantaneously communicating with one another, but this is clearly not the case.

This, says Bohm, is precisely what is going on between the subatomic particles in Aspect's experiment. According to Bohm, the apparent faster-than-light connection between subatomic particles is really telling us that there is a deeper level of reality we are not privy to, a more complex dimension beyond our own that is analogous to the aquarium. And, he adds, we view objects such as subatomic particles as separate from one another because we are seeing only a portion of their reality. Such particles are not separate "parts", but facets of a deeper and more underlying unity that is ultimately as holographic and indivisible as the previously mentioned rose. And since everything in physical reality is comprised of these "eidolons", the universe is itself a projection, a hologram.

In addition to its phantomlike nature, such a universe would possess other rather startling features. If the apparent separateness of subatomic particles is illusory, it means that at a deeper level of reality all things in the universe are infinitely interconnected. The electrons in a carbon atom in the human brain are connected to the subatomic particles that comprise every salmon that swims, every heart that beats, and every star that shimmers in the sky. Everything interpenetrates everything, and although human nature may seek to categorize and pigeonhole and subdivide, the various phenomena of the universe, all apportionments are of necessity artificial and all of nature is ultimately a seamless web.

In a holographic universe, even time and space could no longer be viewed as fundamentals. Because concepts such as location break down in a universe in which nothing is truly separate from anything else, time and three-dimensional space, like the images of the fish on the TV monitors, would also have to be viewed as projections of this deeper order. At its deeper level reality is a sort of superhologram in which the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. This suggests that given the proper tools it might even be possible to someday reach into the superholographic level of reality and pluck out scenes from the long-forgotten past.

What else the superhologram contains is an open-ended question. Allowing, for the sake of argument, that the superhologram is the matrix that has given birth to everything in our universe, at the very least it contains every subatomic particle that has been or will be - every configuration of matter and energy that is possible, from snowflakes to quasars, from blue whales to gamma rays. It must be seen as a sort of cosmic storehouse of "All That Is. " Although Bohm concedes that we have no way of knowing what else might lie hidden in the superhologram, he does venture to say that we have no reason to assume it does not contain more. Or, perhaps the superholographic level of reality is a "mere stage" beyond which lies "an infinity of further development. "

Leonard Susskind, "The World As Hologram"

Leonard Susskind of the Stanford Institute for Theoretical Physics discusses the indestructability of information and the nature of black holes in a lecture entitled "The World As Hologram. "

http://www. youtube. com/watch?v=2DIl3Hfh9tY

Related:
“Welcome To The Super Hologram”
http://conscioushologram. wordpress. com/2013/12/11/welcome-to-the-super-hologram/

"The Universe As A Hologram"
http://coyoteprime-runningcauseicantfly. blogspot. com/2014/09/the-universe-as-hologram. html?m=0

“Are We Living in a Holographic Universe?”
http://coyoteprime-runningcauseicantfly. blogspot. de/2011/07/are-we-living-in-holographic-universe. html
"Are We Living In A 'Matrix'-like Superhologr... (show quote)


Pafret,
Thankyou for a subject worthy of thought.
So much garbage on this site, I jumped at the chance to respond to your topic.
In humble opinion, we occupy both space and time.
Matter and energy live by different rules.
Our feet are in the clay, while our minds are in the stars.
It isn't at all a hologram, which by definition is, well, you know.
But rather a construct that we occupy.
Matter, energy, time.
Father ,Son , Ghost.
A Trinity if you will.
All dependent on one another in this universe.
We need to come to peace, with one another.
Larger battles will come.

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Mar 23, 2017 22:37:23   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
solarkin wrote:
Pafret,
Thankyou for a subject worthy of thought.
So much garbage on this site, I jumped at the chance to respond to your topic.
In humble opinion, we occupy both space and time.
Matter and energy live by different rules.
Our feet are in the clay, while our minds are in the stars.
It isn't at all a hologram, which by definition is, well, you know.
But rather a construct that we occupy.
Matter, energy, time.
Father ,Son , Ghost.
A Trinity if you will.
All dependent on one another in this universe.
We need to come to peace, with one another.
Larger battles will come.
Pafret, br Thankyou for a subject worthy of thou... (show quote)


Plaank showed the universe to be digital. Think about that, and constructs, i.e. -programs.

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Mar 23, 2017 23:43:11   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
solarkin wrote:
Pafret,
Thankyou for a subject worthy of thought.
So much garbage on this site, I jumped at the chance to respond to your topic.
In humble opinion, we occupy both space and time.
Matter and energy live by different rules.
Our feet are in the clay, while our minds are in the stars.
It isn't at all a hologram, which by definition is, well, you know.
But rather a construct that we occupy.
Matter, energy, time.
Father ,Son , Ghost.
A Trinity if you will.
All dependent on one another in this universe.
We need to come to peace, with one another.
Larger battles will come.
Pafret, br Thankyou for a subject worthy of thou... (show quote)


Thanks, I have been trying to post some interesting material in a deliberate attempt to provide an alternative to the usual nonsense. I would really like to see some discussions of these ideas. So far I have posted poetry, economics, science, music, political commentary and some literature. I will continue as long as I get some feedback that others appreciate the material.

With regard to the Diety aspect, it occurred to me that this concept sheds some light on the nature of God's immanent knowledge of all things, past, present and future while we still retain free will.

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Mar 24, 2017 05:36:34   #
samtheyank
 
pafret wrote:
Thanks, I have been trying to post some interesting material in a deliberate attempt to provide an alternative to the usual nonsense. I would really like to see some discussions of these ideas. So far I have posted poetry, economics, science, music, political commentary and some literature. I will continue as long as I get some feedback that others appreciate the material.

With regard to the Diety aspect, it occurred to me that this concept sheds some light on the nature of God's immanent knowledge of all things, past, present and future while we still retain free will.
Thanks, I have been trying to post some interestin... (show quote)

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Mar 24, 2017 08:22:35   #
Big dog
 
pafret wrote:
"Are We Living In A 'Matrix'-like Superhologram?"
Posted: 22 Mar 2017 10:52 AM PDT

by David Talbot

http://homepages. ihug. co. nz/~sai/hologram. html

"In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science. Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations.

University of London physicist David Bohm, for example, believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram. To understand why Bohm makes this startling assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms. A hologram is a three- dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser. To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the reflected light of the first and the resulting interference pattern (the area where the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film. When the film is developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But as soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a three-dimensional image of the original object appears.

The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire image of the rose. Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, each snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact version of the original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole. The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order. For most of its history, Western science has labored under the bias that the best way to understand a physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study its respective parts. A hologram teaches us that some things in the universe may not lend themselves to this approach. If we try to take apart something constructed holographically, we will not get the pieces of which it is made, we will only get smaller wholes.

This insight suggested to Bohm another way of understanding Aspect's discovery. Bohm believes the reason subatomic particles are able to remain in contact with one another regardless of the distance separating them is not because they are sending some sort of mysterious signal back and forth, but because their separateness is an illusion. He argues that at some deeper level of reality such particles are not individual entities, but are actually extensions of the same fundamental something.

To enable people to better visualize what he means, Bohm offers the following illustration. Imagine an aquarium containing a fish. Imagine also that you are unable to see the aquarium directly and your knowledge about it and what it contains comes from two television cameras, one directed at the aquarium's front and the other directed at its side. As you stare at the two television monitors, you might assume that the fish on each of the screens are separate entities. After all, because the cameras are set at different angles, each of the images will be slightly different. But as you continue to watch the two fish, you will eventually become aware that there is a certain relationship between them. When one turns, the other also makes a slightly different but corresponding turn; when one faces the front, the other always faces toward the side. If you remain unaware of the full scope of the situation, you might even conclude that the fish must be instantaneously communicating with one another, but this is clearly not the case.

This, says Bohm, is precisely what is going on between the subatomic particles in Aspect's experiment. According to Bohm, the apparent faster-than-light connection between subatomic particles is really telling us that there is a deeper level of reality we are not privy to, a more complex dimension beyond our own that is analogous to the aquarium. And, he adds, we view objects such as subatomic particles as separate from one another because we are seeing only a portion of their reality. Such particles are not separate "parts", but facets of a deeper and more underlying unity that is ultimately as holographic and indivisible as the previously mentioned rose. And since everything in physical reality is comprised of these "eidolons", the universe is itself a projection, a hologram.

In addition to its phantomlike nature, such a universe would possess other rather startling features. If the apparent separateness of subatomic particles is illusory, it means that at a deeper level of reality all things in the universe are infinitely interconnected. The electrons in a carbon atom in the human brain are connected to the subatomic particles that comprise every salmon that swims, every heart that beats, and every star that shimmers in the sky. Everything interpenetrates everything, and although human nature may seek to categorize and pigeonhole and subdivide, the various phenomena of the universe, all apportionments are of necessity artificial and all of nature is ultimately a seamless web.

In a holographic universe, even time and space could no longer be viewed as fundamentals. Because concepts such as location break down in a universe in which nothing is truly separate from anything else, time and three-dimensional space, like the images of the fish on the TV monitors, would also have to be viewed as projections of this deeper order. At its deeper level reality is a sort of superhologram in which the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. This suggests that given the proper tools it might even be possible to someday reach into the superholographic level of reality and pluck out scenes from the long-forgotten past.

What else the superhologram contains is an open-ended question. Allowing, for the sake of argument, that the superhologram is the matrix that has given birth to everything in our universe, at the very least it contains every subatomic particle that has been or will be - every configuration of matter and energy that is possible, from snowflakes to quasars, from blue whales to gamma rays. It must be seen as a sort of cosmic storehouse of "All That Is. " Although Bohm concedes that we have no way of knowing what else might lie hidden in the superhologram, he does venture to say that we have no reason to assume it does not contain more. Or, perhaps the superholographic level of reality is a "mere stage" beyond which lies "an infinity of further development. "

Leonard Susskind, "The World As Hologram"

Leonard Susskind of the Stanford Institute for Theoretical Physics discusses the indestructability of information and the nature of black holes in a lecture entitled "The World As Hologram. "

http://www. youtube. com/watch?v=2DIl3Hfh9tY

Related:
“Welcome To The Super Hologram”
http://conscioushologram. wordpress. com/2013/12/11/welcome-to-the-super-hologram/

"The Universe As A Hologram"
http://coyoteprime-runningcauseicantfly. blogspot. com/2014/09/the-universe-as-hologram. html?m=0

“Are We Living in a Holographic Universe?”
http://coyoteprime-runningcauseicantfly. blogspot. de/2011/07/are-we-living-in-holographic-universe. html
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Mar 24, 2017 08:23:35   #
Big dog
 
pafret wrote:
"Are We Living In A 'Matrix'-like Superhologram?"
Posted: 22 Mar 2017 10:52 AM PDT

by David Talbot

http://homepages. ihug. co. nz/~sai/hologram. html

"In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science. Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations.

University of London physicist David Bohm, for example, believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram. To understand why Bohm makes this startling assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms. A hologram is a three- dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser. To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the reflected light of the first and the resulting interference pattern (the area where the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film. When the film is developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But as soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a three-dimensional image of the original object appears.

The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire image of the rose. Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, each snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact version of the original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole. The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order. For most of its history, Western science has labored under the bias that the best way to understand a physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study its respective parts. A hologram teaches us that some things in the universe may not lend themselves to this approach. If we try to take apart something constructed holographically, we will not get the pieces of which it is made, we will only get smaller wholes.

This insight suggested to Bohm another way of understanding Aspect's discovery. Bohm believes the reason subatomic particles are able to remain in contact with one another regardless of the distance separating them is not because they are sending some sort of mysterious signal back and forth, but because their separateness is an illusion. He argues that at some deeper level of reality such particles are not individual entities, but are actually extensions of the same fundamental something.

To enable people to better visualize what he means, Bohm offers the following illustration. Imagine an aquarium containing a fish. Imagine also that you are unable to see the aquarium directly and your knowledge about it and what it contains comes from two television cameras, one directed at the aquarium's front and the other directed at its side. As you stare at the two television monitors, you might assume that the fish on each of the screens are separate entities. After all, because the cameras are set at different angles, each of the images will be slightly different. But as you continue to watch the two fish, you will eventually become aware that there is a certain relationship between them. When one turns, the other also makes a slightly different but corresponding turn; when one faces the front, the other always faces toward the side. If you remain unaware of the full scope of the situation, you might even conclude that the fish must be instantaneously communicating with one another, but this is clearly not the case.

This, says Bohm, is precisely what is going on between the subatomic particles in Aspect's experiment. According to Bohm, the apparent faster-than-light connection between subatomic particles is really telling us that there is a deeper level of reality we are not privy to, a more complex dimension beyond our own that is analogous to the aquarium. And, he adds, we view objects such as subatomic particles as separate from one another because we are seeing only a portion of their reality. Such particles are not separate "parts", but facets of a deeper and more underlying unity that is ultimately as holographic and indivisible as the previously mentioned rose. And since everything in physical reality is comprised of these "eidolons", the universe is itself a projection, a hologram.

In addition to its phantomlike nature, such a universe would possess other rather startling features. If the apparent separateness of subatomic particles is illusory, it means that at a deeper level of reality all things in the universe are infinitely interconnected. The electrons in a carbon atom in the human brain are connected to the subatomic particles that comprise every salmon that swims, every heart that beats, and every star that shimmers in the sky. Everything interpenetrates everything, and although human nature may seek to categorize and pigeonhole and subdivide, the various phenomena of the universe, all apportionments are of necessity artificial and all of nature is ultimately a seamless web.

In a holographic universe, even time and space could no longer be viewed as fundamentals. Because concepts such as location break down in a universe in which nothing is truly separate from anything else, time and three-dimensional space, like the images of the fish on the TV monitors, would also have to be viewed as projections of this deeper order. At its deeper level reality is a sort of superhologram in which the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. This suggests that given the proper tools it might even be possible to someday reach into the superholographic level of reality and pluck out scenes from the long-forgotten past.

What else the superhologram contains is an open-ended question. Allowing, for the sake of argument, that the superhologram is the matrix that has given birth to everything in our universe, at the very least it contains every subatomic particle that has been or will be - every configuration of matter and energy that is possible, from snowflakes to quasars, from blue whales to gamma rays. It must be seen as a sort of cosmic storehouse of "All That Is. " Although Bohm concedes that we have no way of knowing what else might lie hidden in the superhologram, he does venture to say that we have no reason to assume it does not contain more. Or, perhaps the superholographic level of reality is a "mere stage" beyond which lies "an infinity of further development. "

Leonard Susskind, "The World As Hologram"

Leonard Susskind of the Stanford Institute for Theoretical Physics discusses the indestructability of information and the nature of black holes in a lecture entitled "The World As Hologram. "

http://www. youtube. com/watch?v=2DIl3Hfh9tY

Related:
“Welcome To The Super Hologram”
http://conscioushologram. wordpress. com/2013/12/11/welcome-to-the-super-hologram/

"The Universe As A Hologram"
http://coyoteprime-runningcauseicantfly. blogspot. com/2014/09/the-universe-as-hologram. html?m=0

“Are We Living in a Holographic Universe?”
http://coyoteprime-runningcauseicantfly. blogspot. de/2011/07/are-we-living-in-holographic-universe. html
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Heavy stuff

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Mar 24, 2017 08:38:22   #
rebob14
 
solarkin wrote:
Pafret,
Thankyou for a subject worthy of thought.
So much garbage on this site, I jumped at the chance to respond to your topic.
In humble opinion, we occupy both space and time.
Matter and energy live by different rules.
Our feet are in the clay, while our minds are in the stars.
It isn't at all a hologram, which by definition is, well, you know.
But rather a construct that we occupy.
Matter, energy, time.
Father ,Son , Ghost.
A Trinity if you will.
All dependent on one another in this universe.
We need to come to peace, with one another.
Larger battles will come.
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I believe space and time are constructs, created to allow physical manifestation of individually discernible identities.

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Mar 24, 2017 08:51:13   #
samtheyank
 
pafret wrote:
Thanks, I have been trying to post some interesting material in a deliberate attempt to provide an alternative to the usual nonsense. I would really like to see some discussions of these ideas. So far I have posted poetry, economics, science, music, political commentary and some literature. I will continue as long as I get some feedback that others appreciate the material.

With regard to the Diety aspect, it occurred to me that this concept sheds some light on the nature of God's immanent knowledge of all things, past, present and future while we still retain free will.
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Man does not have free will. He gave up free will when Eve picked the apple from the tree. His only nature is to sin and rebel against God. This is why Christ had to come into the World, die on a cross and defeat death with the Resurection. God chooses us. We don't choose God. It is called Election.

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Mar 24, 2017 09:50:23   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
rebob14 wrote:
I believe space and time are constructs, created to allow physical manifestation of individually discernible identities.


Perhaps it is all set up by multidimensional beings to give us beginners conventionalization's to use as points of reference. To them, the universe is our petri dish. LOL!

I often think of the Matrix movie. How do we actually know we aren't in a similar state of being. In the movie they only freed young minds from the matrix because it was so traumatic. Maybe the Matrix movie was actually made to prepare our minds for the moment we are freed from the matrix. LOL! Having seen the movie, we would recognize what was happening and survive the shock!!

Not to actually believe the BS I have just typed, but really, how do we know????

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Mar 24, 2017 09:58:36   #
GRB777
 
You people are trying very hard to complicate something that is in fact very simplistic. You are physical beings dominated by beings who are spirit. Ephesians 6:12: read this if you dare. Most of you will not You don't relate to the spiritual so you are easily manipulated by what you cannot see. You "do" have free will and most choose to rebel from the spiritual creator's law. Example- GOD'S law states that you may not kill. How do you react to that? You murder your unborn children, and label those who freely join your military and murder with impunity "heroes". Stop pretending you don't have a choice in the matter; you do. You're just making bad decisions.

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Mar 24, 2017 10:01:31   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
samtheyank wrote:
Man does not have free will. He gave up free will when Eve picked the apple from the tree. His only nature is to sin and rebel against God. This is why Christ had to come into the World, die on a cross and defeat death with the Resurection. God chooses us. We don't choose God. It is called Election.


Quite Calvanistic! Without free will there is no morality, no crime nor any need for Christ's sacrifice. If we are made incapable of choosing good or evil then we are not responsible for the consequences of our acts. We are all God's chosen, whether or not we accept that choice is the essence of free will.

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Mar 24, 2017 10:15:24   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
pafret wrote:
Quite Calvanistic! Without free will there is no morality, no crime nor any need for Christ's sacrifice. If we are made incapable of choosing good or evil then we are not responsible for the consequences of our acts. We are all God's chosen, whether or not we accept that choice is the essence of free will.


Considering the vastness and mysterious nature of the universe, do we actually think "Christ" and salvation are real??

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Mar 24, 2017 10:26:47   #
Big dog
 
GRB777 wrote:
You people are trying very hard to complicate something that is in fact very simplistic. You are physical beings dominated by beings who are spirit. Ephesians 6:12: read this if you dare. Most of you will not You don't relate to the spiritual so you are easily manipulated by what you cannot see. You "do" have free will and most choose to rebel from the spiritual creator's law. Example- GOD'S law states that you may not kill. How do you react to that? You murder your unborn children, and label those who freely join your military and murder with impunity "heroes". Stop pretending you don't have a choice in the matter; you do. You're just making bad decisions.
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And rabbits kill carrots.

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